It should be noted that we as Mathilde Weber have no tools at all for keeping Kislevite nobles in line, or Bretonian nobles or... anything but Imperial nobles really and even that is predicated on not pissing them off too much.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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It should be noted that we as Mathilde Weber have no tools at all for keeping Kislevite nobles in line, or Bretonian nobles or... anything but Imperial nobles really and even that is predicated on not pissing them off too much.
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- Jerkville
Peasants outside of Praag will may think 'Oh no, this will only make chaos hurt us worse' as the assortment of telephone game mangled rumors and deliberate hostile agitprop reach them. Peasants in Prague are far more likely to be all for a highly visible punitive action striking back at what they think besets them.
Most peasants outside of Kislev do no hear anything from Praag and barely know where it is between the distance and the language barrier. Inside Kislev I think we can count on Boris not losing the propaganda game to Chaos in his own country. The idea that he can't spin 'I fixed Praag' into a positive is kind of silly. It is a bloody miracle.
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Boris will bankroll it either way, because he killed his father to be able to bankroll the Waystone project. That was literally why he went "I'm gonna have to have this bitch shanked", because he didn't think his father would. Boris has an excellent claim to being the most dedicated to the Waystone Project, or at least the subgoal of Fuck Chaos.
The Troll country option is so that Boris can bankroll it more. Get some cash out of the effort he can reinvest into more stones (and also other things related to Fuck Chaos).
Similarly, the Z'ra will invest in the waystones, because he doesn't want to live in/rule I-Can't-Believe-It's-Not-The-Chaos-Wastes Town. Choosing the New Town option merely makes him invest more, because he sees that the biggest pain in his ass might actually go away in his lifetime, rather than being an open sore that will pain his grandchildren.
I think people should really keep in mind what kind of vote this is. It is not "which of these mutually exclusive options do you want", or at least mostly not. It's "you get all these nice things, but which of these nice things do you get the most?". It's more like the Kron-Azril-Ungol vote of "what is the library especially good at?". We chose order, but that doesn't mean it's not also good at security, it's just not as good at security as if we'd chosen that as the focus. Similarly, Boris, the Z'ra, the people and the priests will all be happy Praag is getting unfucked, and outsiders will see the usefulness of all aspects. This vote is about where the focus is put, which group is the most happy, and what the most important use of the waystone is perceived as.
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[X] The Temple of Dazh and the Bleakness
This will please the Cult of Dazh.
Hear me out.
We know that Ranald is trying to make inroads with the northern gods. We are handed over a golden opportunity to curry favor as Ranald's faithful with one of the most important god in Kislev at relatively little cost!
I mean, the Ranald's Coin has been instrumental in the Waystone Project by bringing in the Hedgefolk and numerous Gambler assists so I think it would be nice to take the occasion to try to help him out in turn. I'm not sure we'd gain that much by choosing other options, I still expect Waystones to be very popular amongst rulers and peasants wherever we plant the first Waystone. However, it's a pretty unique occasion to curry favor with the Cult of a Major God.
And we've seen multiple time how precious the favor of Gods can be. I WANT TO MAX OUT OUR PIETY SCORE!
This will please the Cult of Dazh.
Hear me out.
We know that Ranald is trying to make inroads with the northern gods. We are handed over a golden opportunity to curry favor as Ranald's faithful with one of the most important god in Kislev at relatively little cost!
I mean, the Ranald's Coin has been instrumental in the Waystone Project by bringing in the Hedgefolk and numerous Gambler assists so I think it would be nice to take the occasion to try to help him out in turn. I'm not sure we'd gain that much by choosing other options, I still expect Waystones to be very popular amongst rulers and peasants wherever we plant the first Waystone. However, it's a pretty unique occasion to curry favor with the Cult of a Major God.
And we've seen multiple time how precious the favor of Gods can be. I WANT TO MAX OUT OUR PIETY SCORE!
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- Outside the Box
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- She/Her
Karlsbridge and Old Town: Cookies and Cream
Bridge of Death and New Town: Rocky Road
River Gate and Northeastern Kislev: Mint Chocolate Chip
The Temple of Dazh and the Bleakness: Butter Pecan
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- Chicago
- Pronouns
- She/They
Disagree. Mint chocolate chip should obviously be the Old town, because it is the best and the one local people like most.
Someone alert the templars because I've found a hereticDisagree. Mint chocolate chip should obviously be the Old town, because it is the best and the one local people like most.
I am actually pretty not sure that he will.
Look at his initial words, conveyed to us by Conrad.
He explicitly mentions "the worst corners of Praag," then bankrolling becomes on the table after proven results.
That might actually mean that placing waystones in the worst corners is a prerequisite to bankrolling from him.
Oldtown is 100% not the worst corners of Praag.
Edit: come to think of it, The Bleakness probably qualifies as a worst corner of Praag.
[X] Bridge of Death and New Town
[X] The Temple of Dazh and the Bleakness
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- Location
- Oklahoma
'Proven results' is the prerequisite, and that's coming no matter where we put the first rock.
The order might slightly effect when the results are proven to his satisfaction, but there is no world where they are not proven.
Every corner of Praag will be covered by Waystones, from the darkest to the not-quite-as-dark-but-still-darker-than-almost-anywhere-else-inhabited.
Worst corners of Praag also looks like a prerequisite to me.
neutronium95
Mad Rocketeer
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- The test site
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[X] Karlsbridge and Old Town
- Location
- Oklahoma
'Worst corners' is where we can test out our newfangled Chaos-Be-Gone Rocks (You Won't Believe The Results).
All of these options qualify, that's why they're options.
Given that Praag is Praag, 'you can test it in the worst corners' basically just means 'don't plop the first one on the Z'ra's front lawn'. Every corner of Praag is the worst corner. The corners come alive and eat people!
And once again, we're putting these rocks everywhere. All of these options are getting done. We're just choosing the location of where to host our grand opening party where we use Branulhune to cut the tape on The Very First Waystone (Constructed In The Old World (In The Last 1500 Years)).
We're going to be shoving magic draining rocks down Praag's throat until the streets cough up its last bit of blood and the walls cough up their last bit of bile and the city finally chills the fuck out.
The results the Z'ra wants are coming no matter what. It might take him more or less time to get fully on board depending on our choice here, but he will indeed board the Fuck Chaos train regardless.
Winds tend to move towards things they're attracted to and away from each other. If there's already a lot of Winds in an area, Winds move towards places where there's not. This means that Winds tend to flow from the north, not as vast streams of magic like north of the Windfall but just as a general trend of the movement of Winds. Eventually a Wind either reaches a Waystone and gets yoinked, or reaches an area that's tainted and gets drawn into Dhar and turned into more Dhar, or reaches an area where there's little enough magic that it gets spread out enough that it becomes earthbound magic. This keeps the planet at more or less an equilibrium.
This is a vast oversimplification and each Wind has its own set of ebbs and flows - Azyr in the wind currents, Ghyran in the forests and rivers, Chamon flowing south down the World's Edge Mountains, Hysh waxing during the day and waning at night, Ulgu following the dawn and dusk across the world, and so on. And every time Morrsleib makes an appearance it scrambles everything up. There's also an entirely different set of dynamics in the oceans that the Colleges are only vaguely aware of.
This is at the level where money stops going clink in your pocket and starts being an abstract concept. It's mostly going to be 'paid for' in favours and influence and various political and economic concessions, but when money does change hands it's going to be things like a wagon full of bullion being escorted by a small army.
Not only would we get to sabotage the Skaven - there are papers in Plan Submarine Wizard Murder Gang, too! The rationale strengthens!
That's fair, but I suspect that his funding to help with Praag will come after the results in the worst corners. So, if we want more of his help we should do those worst corners first.
I doubt he will contribute much to putting up waystones outside of his jurisdiction, btw.
Thus, the amount of money and acceleration he will contribute, I think, will be better if we go for new town.