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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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I've thrown together a badly drawn map of proposed waystone locations and my speculation on their routes through the city.
Green is Karlsbridge and the Old Town, Red is Death Bridge and the Newtown, Yellow is the Bleakness and the cult of Dzah, and Blue is River Gate and the wilds of Praag.
Green will peacefully affect the most populated part of the city, Blue actually pushes back the Wastes, Yellow will prevent the undead from rising, and Red will enable a military incursion into the lawless parts of the city to reassert authority over them.
Blue actually has a better way to expand into New Town than Red, while Red actually puts the waystone in the fucking middle of a populated area.
I think that the best way to care for the population might be the blue option.
I don't think people are reading what option 2 actually says. Chaos isn't getting riled up because of the presence of Waystones; it's because the Z'ra will make a military push to retake New Town once it's proven the area can actually be reclaimed. The death toll mentioned isn't going to be from Chaos randomly lashing out at the public; it's the soldiers "taking and holding parts of New Town" losing their lives pushing out an occupation once the tainted areas stop being a spawn zone.
This is not an either-or, all the waystones are getting installed eventually; by the time they're expanding the network away from the river, all the river waystones will be in place, and it would make no sense to push Dhar upriver when it can naturally flow south into the riverine drainage mechanism.
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That is how I'm reading it, yes. A more defensive approach than wins without provoking conflict the way aggression does.
Outside of Tzeentchian experiments with spherical nobles in frictionless castles, there is absolutely nothing that can be universally said for nobility in general. The lines below the voting options are not meant to convey new information, they are meant to be a summary of the paragraph that option received.
The former. Some deployments will use the river to connect different Waystones but the ultimate destination will be the local Waystone Network.
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[X] Karlsbridge and Old Town
If we're cleansing Praag regardless we might as well do it the way that maximises the living quality for the people there as soon as possible imo, even if I do otherwise like the Death Bridge symbolism.
If we're cleansing Praag regardless we might as well do it the way that maximises the living quality for the people there as soon as possible imo, even if I do otherwise like the Death Bridge symbolism.
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[X] Karlsbridge and Old Town
Blue is the River Gate option, which is explicitly the option to populate the river upstream with waystones and reclaim all the natural resources of the Northeastern Oblast from corruption. The thing with Newtown is that the army needs to move in, burn down parts of it, kill any gribblies that pop out of the woodwork, and then build the waystone, and for that they need the first waystone in a defensible position, which is under the bridge within sight of the citadel. I think it also needs to be downstream of the waystones in its branch as well, but I'm not sure on that.
Eventually, all four of these networks will be built and connect to each other, it's just the location for the first one in the chain we're deciding.
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[X] Karlsbridge and Old Town
Mopman43
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If they're doing it by river transmission, wouldn't they be placed along the shoreline in New Town to begin with?
[x] Bridge of Death and New Town
Many people are completely forgetting who the clients are. You think nobles, whether they be Kislevite, Imperial or Brettonian, will pay for quality of life improvements? No. But they will pay for a way to bring Chaos out of their holes and into battle with their armies, because they are a warrior class and they understand that.
Many people are completely forgetting who the clients are. You think nobles, whether they be Kislevite, Imperial or Brettonian, will pay for quality of life improvements? No. But they will pay for a way to bring Chaos out of their holes and into battle with their armies, because they are a warrior class and they understand that.
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Mopman43
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I mean, depending, yeah.
More fertility means more valuable land means more valuable noble.
Possibly, I am not 100% sure of how Mathilde actually plans to deploy the waystones. I do know that the Z'ra doesn't have access to the inner parts of the Newtown and basically needs to reconquer it street by street (hence the bloodbath), but I don't know if that means he can't access the river banks in that part of the city as well.
I suspect that if starting with River Gate and moving inwards through the city was an option, it would already be on the list.
But that's a long term effect, which is hard to gauge unless you are good at math and have accurate record-keeping. Victory in battle is easy to see.
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[X] Bridge of Death and New Town
Mopman43
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I don't believe the Waystones will be bringing Chaos out of their holes.
Troops will be sent to clear their holes, then Waystones erected afterwards.
Land cleared, then Waystone, rather than the other way around.
Well, in practice what will happen is reality in the area around their holes will become stable enough that the troops going in there no longer have to deal with as much bullshit, and the area will not just rebuild itself after they leave. But the point is, military victory will be facilitated where it was impossible before.
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[X] Karlsbridge and Old Town
It's less effective in the job of reducing corruption in the long run, but it also won't risk anyone without a wizard they trust to explain what's going on deciding it's a bad thing. Not all Waystones and tributaries will be in the river, and we don't want to risk locals going after follow up ones because they associate them with making chaos worse.
It's less effective in the job of reducing corruption in the long run, but it also won't risk anyone without a wizard they trust to explain what's going on deciding it's a bad thing. Not all Waystones and tributaries will be in the river, and we don't want to risk locals going after follow up ones because they associate them with making chaos worse.
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So, bridge of death voters.
How are you going to sell people on having a waystone put up next to them if it is understood that waystones are magnets for chaos and conflict?
What's the approach you'd recommend for communicating to the public when the karlbridge stone begins to go up?
How are you going to sell people on having a waystone put up next to them if it is understood that waystones are magnets for chaos and conflict?
What's the approach you'd recommend for communicating to the public when the karlbridge stone begins to go up?
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[X] Bridge of Death and New Town
MagnificentMind
To Live is to Suffer
[X] Bridge of Death and New Town
This sealed the deal for me. Accomplish the mission statement first and foremost, everything else is secondary.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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That's not actually stated anywhere in the update.
The conflict will be because troops will need to be sent in to secure an area before we place a Wayatone.
The waystone isn't actually what's agitating the cultists and mutants. In order to build waystones in New Town, the Z'ra has to send his troops in to burn away the corrupted buildings, kill anyone who objects, and then build the waystones on the ashes.
From the perspective of the citizens of Praag, it's a very expensive and bloody attempt to reclaim a corrupted part of the city that has resisted Kislevian rule for 200 years. It's only once the corruption drops low enough to make it safe to start rebuilding the houses will the citizens understand why their tax money went to burning down a part of the city that is widely considered unburnable.