Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
Would Warpstone be a category that they should have a point or two in?

[X] [COLLEGE] An Ulgu powerstone (5 CF)
[X] [DWARF] No purchase.
[X] [PURCHASE] No purchase.
[X] [LIBRARY] Colleges of Magic: Liminal Pathways, Nehekharan Pantheon, The Mortuary Cult, Nehekharan Incantations
 
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Frankly, the elves have it right. The whole thing with Sarriel is the clearest example, I think: A Minor God is, from a certain point of view, a Major Spirit - Niedzwenka is, IIRC, of this opinion, and sees some river 'gods' as merely overgrown spirits. And we've previously gone through how at the high end of the scale, Hag Witches like her can somehow wrangle the Sea of Claws and the Ancient Widow.

From there, we only have to speculate that Sarriel became a spirit somehow, and grew to be a big one. Possibly, as I've speculated before, he intermingled himself with Laurelorn's Dreaming Wood.

Zero contradictions.


[X][LIBRARY] Colleges of Magic: Liminal Pathways, Nehekharan Pantheon, The Mortuary Cult, Nehekharan Incantations
[X][COLLEGE] An Ulgu powerstone (5 CF)
[X] [DWARF] No purchase.
[X] [PURCHASE] No purchase.
 
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I can't get the image of a young child just burrowing through solid rock to get a lump of ore. Peak wizard behaviour.
He'll immediately be identified at the Gold College as a Miner Talent.

Speaking of ancient knowledge, I think it's time we started to invest in Nehekhara stuff.
It's a big gap in the library that's taunting me. I can't remember though if we can buy them through the collages or if we have to buy it through Barak Varr.
Pretty sure Nehekharan stuff could probably be found to some degree in the Light College's library; they seem to have some roots in Nehekharan magic in a similar vein to druids and the Jade College.

After that, our best bet would be to seek out sources from Araby.
 
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[X][LIBRARY] Colleges of Magic: Liminal Pathways, Nehekharan Pantheon, The Mortuary Cult, Nehekharan Incantations
[X][COLLEGE] An Ulgu powerstone (5 CF)
[X] [DWARF] No purchase.
[X] [PURCHASE] No purchase.
 
[X][LIBRARY] Colleges of Magic: Liminal Pathways, Nehekharan Pantheon, The Mortuary Cult, Nehekharan Incantations
[X][COLLEGE] An Ulgu powerstone (5 CF)
[X] [DWARF] Open negotiations to allow the Colleges of Magic access to the favor economy of the Runesmith Guild on an institutional level (Pay with AV)
 
[X][COLLEGE] An Ulgu powerstone (5 CF)
[X] [DWARF] Open negotiations to allow the Colleges of Magic access to the favor economy of the Runesmith Guild on an institutional level (Pay with AV)
[X] [PURCHASE] No purchase.
 
[X] [COLLEGE] Translations of Extensive/Obscure Asur Medicine and Anatomy texts into Reikspiel, to be donated to the Temple of Shallya (Pay with 6 College Favor)
[X][COLLEGE] No Purchase.
[X] [DWARF] Open negotiations to allow the Colleges of Magic access to the favor economy of the Runesmith Guild on an institutional level (Pay with AV)
[X] [PURCHASE] No Purchase.
 
[X][LIBRARY] Colleges of Magic: Liminal Pathways, Nehekharan Pantheon, The Mortuary Cult, Nehekharan Incantations
[X] [DWARF] Open negotiations to allow the Colleges of Magic access to the favor economy of the Runesmith Guild on an institutional level (Pay with AV)
[X] [COLLEGE] Translations of Extensive/Obscure Asur Medicine and Anatomy texts into Reikspiel, to be donated to the Temple of Shallya (Pay with 6 College Favor)

If we don't do the texts this turn and do the Elfcation next turn, we won't see the payoff for a huge amount of time- it might even be forgotten. And I don't want to wait that long in favor of preparationmaxxing.
 
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I still can't believe that voters used this amazing transcendent boon from a wealthy dwarven polity on a library of all things. I get why with the overlap between 'people that love this quest', 'people who are in too deep on Warhammer Fantasy lore', and 'nerds who would actually like being part of something like that in real life', but when I got to that part of the read through I face palmed pretty hard regardless🤣
A big part of it was that we didn't actually have that many other things to ask for. Like we might have asked for a runic item of incredible power, but our slots were all already filled with best stuff dwarfcraft can produce.

It was really hard to come up with things that we actually wanted. And we also didn't want to put an undo burden on our good friend king Ironhammer. Which meant that anything big basically had to be inside of K8P.
 
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I mean, I assume they have translated it. I just don't think they're going to share that any time soon, and so if we want the Colleges to have access, we either do it ourself or wait until some NPC tackles the problem (which will probably not be in quest scope).
I'm kind of inclined to think they have. I mentioned that Sword of Caledor's description of the language of the tablet matches Boney's description more than what the 5th Edition Lizardmen army book shares of Saurian. It takes elves decades of dedicated effort to learn whatever language that drew Teclis's opinion. Mathilde might be able to learn it from a tutor if she dedicates a lot of AP. It should be immeasurably harder to try to derive the language from descendant languages.

Aren't the Runesmiths oathbound to keep Runesmith secrets and religiously obligated to kill to keep them that way? I feel if Arcane Khazalid was known by the Asur the Runesm would be obligated to try to go and kill them. Or suffer shame for an oath they cannot fulfill.

The same would happen, although with other Guilds if they knew what Tale of Metal could do I think.


Regardless, if they do not know Saurian, then Mathilde is really not worse off than the Asur to learn the Old Ones Tongue since then she would/could have access to Arcane Khazalid, Anoqeyan and High Nehekaran.

And we have no clue if the White Tower failed or succeeded at it. (In fact we don't even know if they have tried although it seems obvious that they should have).

With the only difference between them and Mathilde being the time it might take to derive the Old Ones language from its direct descendants.


Also this might be a bit silly but considering how the scrolls written in Old Ones Tongue were described I get the feeling writing a Lexicon for it would be impossible and it'd be "too much" for paper to contain it (unless solid gold plates - the only material comfy enough to contain their insights - are used). So I get the feeling if anyone wants to learn it they'd either need to learn it from a teacher or recreate it.
The Cloak of Beards is a, well, cloak of beards maintained and expanded by elves still bitter over the War of the Beard. Its very presence can destroy rune items. At the earliest, it was used during the Fourteenth Siege of Tor Alessi. It's implied to have come from the War of the Beard. Its potency has increased over time as more beards have been woven into it. The Master Rune of Skewering is known to have been developed with elven assistance.

It is possible that the Cloak of Beards was developed without an understanding of how runes work. It is possible that Runesmiths think that the Asur didn't make it using knowledge they shared and continue to expand it without acquiring that knowledge. I find both of those assertions incredibly unlikely.

And huh, just thought of that as a reason that Runesmiths will contribute waystones to Ulthuan sometime between now and Age of Sigmar.

Anyways, if they know the script of the Old Ones then they certainly have deciphered Saurian. It is simply too ludicrous to assume otherwise from Boney's descriptions. Sites where they could get the former would certainly have the latter.

Like I said to pickle, I doubt it will be quicker to decipher the Old One's script than it would be to learn whatever it is Teclis learned. Be it Saurian or Old One script. Sword of Caledor states that elves take decades to learn that script. Elves do not learn slower than humans, they learn at the same rate. I have been under the impression that most people think the White Tower has not translated it. I'm inclined to think that the White Tower can translate it. Though I prefer ambiguity in that matter. Regardless, I am confident the effort required to decipher it will basically make it impossible for humans of the Old World.

Why not? It is obvious you can write it out on a scroll. If you can't write normal text on that scroll for whatever reason, all you need to do is write out the translation on a different scroll.
 
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[X][LIBRARY] Colleges of Magic: Liminal Pathways, Nehekharan Pantheon, The Mortuary Cult, Nehekharan Incantations
[X][COLLEGE] No purchase.
[X] [DWARF] No purchase.
 
'Asuryan gave us what makes us Asur'

Lol- Kurunos is father but Asuyran is Daddy.

I could also see Mathilde be the type to become less interested and maybe even more genuinely (as opposed to performatively) put off by Overly Vulgar Romance, now that she has the real deal with a person she loves.

Probably depends how into role playing they are. I can see Pan and Mathilde both having some fantasies to live out.

How would this smug Elf react to insinuations about the implied marital arrangements of Isha, Kurnous, Asuryan and his wife whose name I don't recall?

"It requires frankly inhuman amounts of communication and trust to make such relationships work. I'm not surprised you can't do it."

Have any of the local kids taken to spending time there with the nice spiders?

Please please please please write this.

[X] [COLLEGE] An Ulgu powerstone (5 CF)
[X] [DWARF] No purchase.
[X] [PURCHASE] No purchase.
[X] [LIBRARY] Colleges of Magic: Liminal Pathways, Nehekharan Pantheon, The Mortuary Cult, Nehekharan Incantations
 
[X] [COLLEGE] An Ulgu powerstone (5 CF)
[X] [DWARF] No purchase.
[X] [PURCHASE] No purchase.

Edit: Keeping this here but changed vote

I'm not up to date enough on the library content to meaningfully contribute there. I get the general impetus for the power stone but I suppose part of me is hoping to use the (as I understand it) strictly better orb of sorcery anyways. Depending on how we order things even with the Elfcation next turn we could do that 'first' in the turn and then gift the orb with the other seven once we've given it a field test ourselves. Longer term I'm assuming we'll arrive at some method of repeatedly manufacturing orbs with college support with the remaining snake juice, maybe with one of the caveats of first dibs on the next shadow orb. At some point we're going to want those favors to go crazy with battle magic and such if a challenge for Supreme Matriarch is ever on the table too. Money wise amassing it for Lothern souvenirs seems the play
 
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[X] [COLLEGE] No purchase.
[X] [DWARF] No purchase.
[X] [PURCHASE] No purchase.

I'm not up to date enough on the library content to meaningfully contribute there. I get the general impetus for the power stone but I suppose part of me is hoping to use the (as I understand it) strictly better orb of sorcery anyways. Depending on how we order things even with the Elfcation next turn we could do that 'first' in the turn and then gift the orb with the other seven once we've given it a field test ourselves. Longer term I'm assuming we'll arrive at some method of repeatedly manufacturing orbs with college support with the remaining snake juice, maybe with one of the caveats of first dibs on the next shadow orb. At some point we're going to want those favors to go crazy with battle magic and such if a challenge for Supreme Matriarch is ever on the table too. Money wise amassing it for Lothern souvenirs seems the play
Using an Orb of Sorcery to power a spell would be expending a very rare resource in a manner that would probably kill us.
 
I'm not up to date enough on the library content to meaningfully contribute there. I get the general impetus for the power stone but I suppose part of me is hoping to use the (as I understand it) strictly better orb of sorcery anyways. Depending on how we order things even with the Elfcation next turn we could do that 'first' in the turn and then gift the orb with the other seven once we've given it a field test ourselves. Longer term I'm assuming we'll arrive at some method of repeatedly manufacturing orbs with college support with the remaining snake juice, maybe with one of the caveats of first dibs on the next shadow orb. At some point we're going to want those favors to go crazy with battle magic and such if a challenge for Supreme Matriarch is ever on the table too. Money wise amassing it for Lothern souvenirs seems the play
While you are of course free to vote however you see fit for any reason or no reason at all, be advised that casting from an Orb of Sorcery, while possible, is likely to be the last thing you ever do.
Speaking of, what does having an orb of sorcery do for your ability to cast spells?
Nobody's tried it, but it'd probably be something like 'caster can cast one Cataclysm spell, it's impossible to counter, and then they die because they just consumed an energy ball the size of their head'. Their use in enchanting is generally what's focused on.
 
While you are of course free to vote however you see fit for any reason or no reason at all, be advised that casting from an Orb of Sorcery, while possible, is likely to be the last thing you ever do.
Okay well never mind that then :lol2: Yeah in that case having the stone as a back up option seems reasonable, if only because it will never go 'bad' and the odds of us never again needing a big burst of magic for some purpose or another seem infinitesimal
 
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So where does the Aethyric Vitea and Orbs fit in? Before we go on Elfcation, after, or do we just drop them off at the Colleges and tell them we'll answer questions when we get back?
Concerns mentioned on the previous page notwithstanding... Hmm. On the one hand, we don't want to be away if important people have questions for us, which on a matter like this they almost certainly will; on the other hand, this definitely isn't the sort of thing we want to leave hanging if we're going to be risking life and limb for a while. Possibly worth putting Mathilde's Nagarythe Adventures on hold until it's sorted, or at least until any initial hubbub has died down.
 
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