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The Heir of the Dragon: A Rhaenyra Targaryen Quest

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Azel said:
[X] Plan Important Talks and Studies
-[X] Speak with Otto Hightower
-[X] Speak with Lord Corlys Velaryon and Rhaenys
-[X] Look into Alternative Marriage Options for Viserys
-[X] Study

I think doing regular studies is much better for synergy here since we can combine that with learning more about the houses of potential other brides.
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I like this plan BUT I think that we should talk with both Colrys and Rhaenys, and then Rhaenys privately, I think it would synergize pretty well, and it would allow us to check and use their disagreements to our advantage

[X] Plan Private Talks with the Power Couple and Studies.
-[X] Speak with Lord Corlys Velaryon and Rhaenys
-[X] Speak with Rhaenys Targaryen alone.
-[X] Look into Alternative Marriage Options for Viserys
-[X] Study

Susano said:
Now that a missing option has been added, may I suggest taking it instead of study?

Now that we have proven we can handle a crisis, we can push for a role in the city watch. We really do need to start building up a power base.
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Remember that Rhaenyra is just 14, there is no way that Viserys is going to allow this until we are of age (or at least 16).
mrsean22 said:
Hmmm Daemon I get but little surprised Otto is mad at saving his life. Actually who else was with Otto? Would think they knew fighting Daemon who has a dragon isn't a good idea.
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Teen Spirit said:
Otto straight up Forbade His King from going to Dragonstone, as in directly told him "I cannot allow you to do this". Otto fundmentally wanted control of that situation, he didn't have it but the man's stubborn, and Rhaenyra's arrival represents not only a loss of control of the situation he didn't predict but us basically taking credit for the whole situation.
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Sorry Otto, we didn´t want our only friend to end up even more as an orphan than before, but anyways sorry for screwing up your pissing contest with Daemon...
 
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Azel said:
What exactly is the reasoning for training? We won't immediately get weaker just because we skip one turn and we really ought to make the most of it when we hit the books to find good matches for our father.
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I guess it is a matter of specialization vs generalism.

Yeah, we don't need to train every round. But we can "stat-max" that way, if we think we should go all in on prowess, rather than balance that with education.

And whether that is a good idea, well, I guess that is the discussion.

Personally, I guess having spent one action on Syrax, the sword and books each so far will be a good balance.

[X] Plan Important Talks and Studies
 
Imperious said:
Do we need to study more in order to find a match for our father? We're already spending an action on finding him a bride. Do we need to spend two? It's not like there are that many houses we can find a match for a king from.
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Alicent specifically pointed out that we neglected our studies about history. We need to know the histories of the houses and their lineages to judge what a good match even is. Studying in tandem will definitely improve the results from the main action. We had this happen repeatedly, like picking training and talking with Tarly combining to giving us a severe stat boost.

We can train next turn again, and devote another action to talk with Tarly to grab the synergy again.
 
Jefardi said:
Hey QM, what would have happened if we flew there in a rage? From what I'm basically inferring is that none of this would have ended any less poorly than just now.
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It wouldn't have ended in violence but only barely. Rhaenyra's rage would have made relations with Daemon (cause we'd remind him a lot of Rhea in that moment) and Otto worse but word on the street would have been that Daemon was scared off Dragonstone by a 14 year old girl so that would help our reputation.
 
Fanhunter696 said:
I like this plan BUT I think that we should talk with both Colrys and Rhaenys, and then Rhaenys privately, I think it would synergize pretty well, and it would allow us to check and use their disagreements to our advantage
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I don't think that we have good enough relationships to either of them to try and play them against each other. We are also not exactly an intrigue build.
 
And yes I realize this means all options this turn either meant Otto's increased disapproval or death but, like I said, dude had ambitions for going to Dragonstone without the King, foolhardy ambitions to be sure, and Ambitions we have disrupted.
 
Fanhunter696 said:
I like this plan BUT I think that we should talk with both Colrys and Rhaenys, and then Rhaenys privately, I think it would synergize pretty well, and it would allow us to check and use their disagreements to our advantage
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In addition to what Azel said, I am also not quite sure that only Colrys would be the parent pushing this. Rhaenys has always remained bitter over not having gotten the succession despite having the best rights - the Queen that Never Was. Basically our beta version, heh. Which, as per the description here, is a major factor of why our relationship with her is fraught - she was excluded from succession because she is a woman, but suddenly a woman, another woman, is in fact the heir.

So I could imagine very well that Rhaenys is pushing this, too, to at least get her blood into the royal bloodline.
(though, tbf, she did end up a black in the canon Dance and fell in dragon battle)

Remember that Rhaenyra is just 14, there is no way that Viserys is going to allow this until we are of age (or at least 16).
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Point, point.
 
I honestly love that within the fortnight Otto Hightower's going to convince himself that his annoyance at Rhaenyra and self-righteousness is justified, because she blundered in antagonizing Daemon and so unmanned him as a woman, when of course his perfect plan would have succeeded in cementing the open breech between Daemon and the Realm and at last gotten Viserys to see his brother for the monster he is without also leaving room any other wildcards or for Corlys to step in or anything that he was totally actually thinking about at the time and isn't now reaching for with hindsight. He's a stubborn often smug prick, but you kinda have to admire the mind of a man who'll go into the maw of a dragon confirming with each step that what was good for the house of Hightower and the high lords was also good for the Realm and everything he did was completely correct for the interests of the crown.
 
[X] Plan Important Talks and Studies

I'm really concerned now with the fact that Daemon is at the level of animosity with us. We might actually have a dance against Daemon in the future at this rate.
 
Teen Spirit said:
It wouldn't have ended in violence but only barely. Rhaenyra's rage would have made relations with Daemon (cause we'd remind him a lot of Rhea in that moment) and Otto worse but word on the street would have been that Daemon was scared off Dragonstone by a 14 year old girl so that would help our reputation.
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Lol, that would have been a wonderful reputation to have.
 
I could potentially see pushing for the stepstones to do okay if we paired it with looking for alternative brides and framed it as a concession to the velaryons in exchange for them not getting the marriage?
 
bookwyrm said:
I honestly love that within the fortnight Otto Hightower's going to convince himself that his annoyance at Rhaenyra and self-righteousness is justified, because she blundered in antagonizing Daemon and so unmanned him as a woman, when of course his perfect plan would have succeeded in cementing the open breech between Daemon and the Realm and at last gotten Viserys to see his brother for the monster he is without also leaving room any other wildcards or for Corlys to step in or anything that he was totally actually thinking about at the time and isn't now reaching for with hindsight. He's a stubborn often smug prick, but you kinda have to admire the mind of a man who'll go into the maw of a dragon confirming with each step that what was good for the house of Hightower and the high lords was also good for the Realm and everything he did was completely correct for the interests of the crown.
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I mean Otto in canon basically straight up told Viserys "No it's too dangerous for you to go, Daemon might seize the chance to do something stupid that could put you in danger. Let me, a man we both know he passionately loathes, negotiate for you.". With his main take away from the canonical resolution seemingly being "Rhaenyra is harder to maniuplate then her father, that's not good."
 
hell yeah, that's the thought process of a man building the perfect persecution and cassus beli against the Rogue Prince without a notion of how Daemon might rogue prince himself out of the situation and fuck off to the Stepstones.

Also, on the topic of Viserys and marriage, I would humbly offer up Johanna Westerling, the political and matrimonial equivalent to basically standing still with someone likely just come to court with one of the King's counselors, Ser Harrold Westerling, which Viserys will appreciate, someone "merely" almost his daughter's age instead of a betrothing oneself to a preteen like Laena at this time, and, someone to continue completely ruining Alicent's life by being a vivacious lady in peace and then simply donning mail and commanding men like a lioness in war and crisis :V
 
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[X]Plan:Evaluating options
[X] Speak with Otto Hightower
-[X] Speak with Lord Corlys Velaryon and Rhaenys
-[X] Look into Alternative Marriage Options for Viserys(Great Houses?,maybe even Martells?)
-[X]Train

I don't see much to propose to Corlys and Rhaenys other than two options: 1: (Rhaenyra marries Laenor, Laena marries Viserys(ugh,yeah I know 😣) and in the future they marry Rhaenyra's son/daughter to Rhaenyra's half-brother/half-sister to keep the peace, 2: (Rhaenyra promises to marry her future firstborn to a son or daughter of Laenor or Laena if they give up on marrying Laena to Viserys, so it is a way to have the Velaryon blood on the Iron Throne and appease Corlys, but in that case Rhaenyra would need to start looking for a husband sooner.
 
[X] Plan Important Talks and Studies
-[X] Speak with Otto Hightower
-[X] Speak with Lord Corlys Velaryon and Rhaenys
-[X] Look into Alternative Marriage Options for Viserys
-[X] Study
 
Champs said:
[X]Plan:Evaluating options
[X] Speak with Otto Hightower
-[X] Speak with Lord Corlys Velaryon and Rhaenys
-[X] Look into Alternative Marriage Options for Viserys(Great Houses?,maybe even Martells?)
-[X]Train

I don't see much to propose to Corlys and Rhaenys
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We can try to tell them that we'll try to convince our father to send Daemon into the stepstones as punishment for all trouble he gave us with Dragonstone.
 
Imperious said:
We can try to tell them that we'll try to convince our father to send Daemon into the stepstones as punishment for all trouble he gave us with Dragonstone.
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Okay... but what's the advantage, what does Corlys gain from this?, because if we go by canon the only advantage is the joint conquest of the Stepstones between him and Daemon which leads to Daemon's marriage to Laena (who by the way is as disgusting as Viserys and Laena, to be honest) but this is advantageous for Corlys and not for Rhaenyra, the most advantageous for Rhae here is to ensure that Daemon is trapped in the marriage to Rhea Royce with no heirs in sight, at least that's what I think.
 
Champs said:
Okay... but what's the advantage, what does Corlys gain from this?, because if we go by canon the only advantage is the joint conquest of the Stepstones between him and Daemon which leads to Daemon's marriage to Laena (who by the way is as disgusting as Viserys and Laena, to be honest) but this is advantageous for Corlys and not for Rhaenyra, the most advantageous for Rhae here is to ensure that Daemon is trapped in the marriage to Rhea Royce with no heirs in sight, at least that's what I think.
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The advantage for Corlys is that the stepstones are being a huge pain in his butt and sending Daemon there means he has a huge dragon to help him with it as some measure of compensation for not pushing the marriage between Viserys and Laena.
 
Not sure who we should try to get our dad to marry yet but one potentially advantage with Leana is that since she is so young it will take longer for an heir to be produced giving us more time to shore up our position as heir.
 
Sarah_ said:
Not sure who we should try to get our dad to marry yet but one potentially advantage with Leana is that since she is so young it will take longer for an heir to be produced giving us more time to shore up our position as heir.
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I'd say someone from the north and/or someone who can be expected to respect their family oaths to us as heirs. The Starks seem like they'd be pretty good for that as well as being Old God worshippers, meaning that they'd have a harder time gathering support from the rest of the continent in the event they do try to help any half brother we'd have to take the throne.

The north being good because they're also in general going to be more distant from King's Landing politics.

The problem with Laena is that the Velaryons are now in ascendancy. It would mean having to face a half brother with two dragon riders and the wealthiest man on the continent on his side if it came to civil war.
 
[X] Plan Important Talks and Studies

Yeah, we don't want the Velaryons to be who Viserys remaries - all but guaruntees that they will be against us unless, by some miracle, only daughters are born from the union.
 
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