Honestly if we can keep Alicent on side that will kill any plans from Otto regarding usurpation.

Eeeeeehhhh even if she hypothetically was fully on Team Rhaenyra, I don't see like anyone caring if Alicent spends 24/7 screaming about Rhaenyra being the legit heir if she pops out a penis-having Targaryen baby. Otto and pretty much any dude he recruits into his faction would like just ignore her.
 
I don't understand why you guys chose her to look like Visenya then, if at the right time the majority of you hesitate to throw a Dracarys at Daemon and act like Visenya, who understands?:???:.
 
I don't understand why you guys chose her to look like Visenya then, if at the right time the majority of you hesitate to throw a Dracarys at Daemon and act like Visenya, who understands?:???:.
The choice was in affect (calm or furious) not in action.
 
I don't understand why you guys chose her to look like Visenya then, if at the right time the majority of you hesitate to throw a Dracarys at Daemon and act like Visenya, who understands?:???:.

Because Aegon the Uncrowned was helpful enough to give us a prior example of what happens to an heir to the throne who decides to charge into their uncle at the time said uncle is riding a dragon more then twice the size of that of their own. For acting like Visenya, I don't recall Visenya ever charging Vhagar at a dragon multiple times the mass of her own.
 
I don't understand why you guys chose her to look like Visenya then, if at the right time the majority of you hesitate to throw a Dracarys at Daemon and act like Visenya, who understands?:???:.
What part of "Daemon has a dragon, too, his is four times bigger and he is the better rider" do people not understand???
 
What part of "Daemon has a dragon, too, his is four times bigger and he is the better rider" do people not understand???

A desire to accurately depict a 14-year old's sense of invulnerability :V

But okay, as a personal coward (I voted for wait), I do legit get the people going "why wouldn't she be angry?" and wanting to roleplay.

Here's hoping this Rhaenyra doesn't end up seriously hurt. I am not sure if "cripple" or the canon "whore" lables are worse for inter noble relations.
 
Yeah I'd have liked for Otto to bite it here, but Daemon becoming an enemy of the realm simply tips the current balance of power too far in favor of the Velaryons. The crown goes from ostensibly having two dragons to its name Caraxes and Syrax, giving it perhaps a moderate advantage in a potential fight against the Velaryons who have Meleys and Seasmoke, to having only Syrax to the Velaryons two dragons. Without Daemon the Velaryons could just take the crown by force if they wanted to.
Well, I doubt that they would try to take the Throne by force, but I can definitively see them strongarming Viserys and Rhaenyra so that they can secure a double marriage with Laena and Laenor, making it so that no matter which line end up sitting the Iron throne it is going to be their grandchildren...

And the other thing is that Viserys would have been devastated if he had been forced to declare him an enemy of the realm, which would have made his illness to advance even quicker

If we're going to have a romance with Alicent we're almost certainly going to have to keep it secret, which means Otto would still be pushing her to get married to Viserys. If said romance get discovered though, it may end up being our version of the Daemon/Cole scandal in terms of making Viserys lose the last bit of his patience with regards to getting us married, and if its discovered Otto would probably be pressuring even harder for her to get married.
On the upside this sort of affair at least can't result in illigitimate children.
Honestly yeah. Our traits mean that we won't be willing to let go any young love we may develop before our marriage, in which case an affair with a woman at least doesn't bear the same risk of us having obvious bastards as our heirs like Rhaenyra did in canon.
Something to take into account is that our cousin Jeyne Arryn was also lesbian, everybody in both the court and the vale knew and despite that, she ruled over the vale for 37 years and passed away in the arms of her lover...
I'd wait for the next update. So far, we only know that Otto survives, but not how.

For all we know we get a big hero moment and arive just in time to prevent him getting incinerated, putting him deep into our debt.
Hey, in Canon Rhaenyra also prevented Otto and Daemon's pissing contest from ending up in tragedy, and he was not impressed or felt indebted to her afterward...
Eeeeeehhhh even if she hypothetically was fully on Team Rhaenyra, I don't see like anyone caring if Alicent spends 24/7 screaming about Rhaenyra being the legit heir if she pops out a penis-having Targaryen baby. Otto and pretty much any dude he recruits into his faction would like just ignore her.
Very much so, the only difference would be that the Greens would put Alicent on home Arrest once Viserys bites it...

And besides that, even if Alicent remains our friend and ally during her marriage with Viserys, that doesn´t prevent any of her children from being a total fuckup, a sadistic asshole, or any other flavor of Targaryen craziness.
But okay, as a personal coward (I voted for wait), I do legit get the people going "why wouldn't she be angry?" and wanting to roleplay.
Well, because we can also roleplay as Rhaenyra knowing perfectly that her uncle is acting like an immature asshole and throwing a temper tantrum to get the attention of his brother, and we decide not to indulge him...
 
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Something to take into account is that our cousin Jeyne Arryn was also lesbian, everybody in both the court and the vale knew and despite that, she ruled over the vale for 37 years and passed away in the arms of her lover...
Jeyne Arryn's case was a bit more complex then that. For one, Jeyne Arryn was never open about any romantic relations between her and Jessamyn Redfort, to the point that she had enough deniability on the subject that Septon Eustace denied the claim that their relationship had been romantic at all. Jeyne Arryn also faced numerous revolts attempting to unseat her and upon her death a civil war started over the muddled succession due to Jeyne never siring any heirs.

The two most pertinent differences between us and Jeyne however, IMO, is that Jeyne ruled in her own right, while our position is of heir and exists primarily due to Viserys' dictat, and canonically Viserys becomes clear that he's willing to strip Rhaenyra of her position of heir if she doesn't find a match to his liking. The other is that Jeyne ruled in accordance with Andal succession laws, while we won't should Viserys have a son, making our position more precarious.
 
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A desire to accurately depict a 14-year old's sense of invulnerability :V

But okay, as a personal coward (I voted for wait), I do legit get the people going "why wouldn't she be angry?" and wanting to roleplay.

I understand the posts that say that as reason.

But some posts do make me think the players as well, not just the 14 year old teenager, think we can just play Daenarys.
 
My ultimate goal is to manage to get Rhaenyra on the throne and to have Alicent openly be her wife. True it might be hard but if all your enemies are dead no one can stop you being gay also trying to achieve something that seems impossible is more fun anyway.
 
My ultimate goal is to manage to get Rhaenyra on the throne and to have Alicent openly be her wife. True it might be hard but if all your enemies are dead no one can stop you being gay also trying to achieve something that seems impossible is more fun anyway.
I suppose it's not technically impossible, but we'd need to

1) Keep our romance a secret until we successfully ascend the Iron Throne
2) As queen start a religious propaganda campaign like Jaehaerys' in order to try to sway public opinion on the matter.

This may also mean we'll have to somehow get Viserys to not decide to disinherit us if we don't find an appropriate match, the alternative being needing to find a way to get the faith to sign off on annulling our marriage with the husband we found in order to satisfy Viserys, or getting the faith to sign of on polygamy as well so we can marry Alicent while still being married to whatever husband we'll have by then.

We'd also need to find a genius theologian like Barth who'd be willing to write our propaganda campaign for us about why we should be able to marry Alicent.
 
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This may also mean we'll have to somehow get Viserys to not decide to disinherit us if we don't find an appropriate match,

I mean, if we introduce Targaryen same-sex marriage, then at that point polygamy is basically just a "2 for the price of 1" deal anyway.

And well, without children of our own our reign would just be an one-off deal without greater consequences. We need to establish a bloodline, and for that we also do need a male consort.
 
My ultimate goal is to manage to get Rhaenyra on the throne and to have Alicent openly be her wife. True it might be hard but if all your enemies are dead no one can stop you being gay also trying to achieve something that seems impossible is more fun anyway.
In theory that can be achieved but it's very much Meagor taking multiple wives tier stuff. IE: Basically openly bucking all conventions and going "I do what I want because I'm the strongest around". Paramours and openly having a relationship would be easier but still a challenge.
 
What part of "Daemon has a dragon, too, his is four times bigger and he is the better rider" do people not understand???

Visenya is impulsive and from what I saw in the choice with Rhaenyra, Syrax is bigger than in canon even though he is smaller than Caraxes, isn't he? I just find it strange that they chose this at the beginning and then Rhaenyra's "cowardice", there won't be many opportunities to try to get rid of Daemon later if he causes problems, that's because I want Fire and Blood that HOTD didn't give me enough of.
 
Visenya is impulsive and from what I saw in the choice with Rhaenyra, Syrax is bigger than in canon even though he is smaller than Caraxes, isn't he? I just find it strange that they chose this at the beginning and then Rhaenyra's "cowardice", there won't be many opportunities to try to get rid of Daemon later if he causes problems, that's because I want Fire and Blood that HOTD didn't give me enough of.
Trying to kill Daemon now would create far more problems then it would solve.
 
In theory that can be achieved but it's very much Meagor taking multiple wives tier stuff. IE: Basically openly bucking all conventions and going "I do what I want because I'm the strongest around". Paramours and openly having a relationship would be easier but still a challenge.

Technically possible is the best kind of possible why strive for something if you can do it easily the risk of failure is what makes big goals fun
 
[X] Fly to Dragonstone. Calm. You just want Baelon's egg back and to put an end to this nonsense. You had been insulted, but you weren't going to indulge Daemon by letting him see you upset.

That being said I think we should give Daemon a verbal smackdown Like this when we get there. Just to make him aware that he's not the heir.
 
I'm still annoyed how many people keep characterizing being willing to openly call Daemon out on his bullshit and tell him what a shitter he is as planning to actually try to murder him with our dragon and get killed by him.
 
I'm still annoyed how many people keep characterizing being willing to openly call Daemon out on his bullshit and tell him what a shitter he is as planning to actually try to murder him with our dragon and get killed by him.

I don't think anyone really thinks we're gonna kill him? I'm getting the impression there's a general confluence of two trains of thought:

1. Wistful thinking/accepting we're probably gonna get into lethal conflict with Daemon eventually: "man wouldn't be nice if he just died now?"

2. A severe lack of faith in Daemon's reasonableness. As in yes, I think there's a non-negligible chance a Rhaenyra calling him out, calmly, enrages him to the point of him lashing out physically. Dunno how to phrase this best, but I do think Daemon is the type who really does not take well to "uppity female brat/bitch talking back at me." Seems to be a large reason why he hated Rhea Royce. Sure canon Rhaenyra managed it but uh he was in full creep mode there and not here.
 
I don't think anyone really thinks we're gonna kill him? I'm getting the impression there's a general confluence of two trains of thought:

1. Wistful thinking/accepting we're probably gonna get into lethal conflict with Daemon eventually: "man wouldn't be nice if he just died now?"

2. A severe lack of faith in Daemon's reasonableness. As in yes, I think there's a non-negligible chance a Rhaenyra calling him out, calmly, enrages him to the point of him lashing out physically. Dunno how to phrase this best, but I do think Daemon is the type who really does not take well to "uppity female brat/bitch talking back at me." Seems to be a large reason why he hated Rhea Royce. Sure canon Rhaenyra managed it but uh he was in full creep mode there and not here.
Daemon may not have the most reasonable knee jerk reaction, because he almost never does, but he's not so violently misogynist as to be physically violent towards a woman who calls him out publicly, let alone his niece. He may not be as obsessed with Rhaenyra as he was in canon, but he still loves her in his own way. As weird as it is to say it, he's something of a family man, in the way only Targaeryans can be at least.

He was also quite happily married to Laena Velaryon, rider of Vhagar and daughter of Corlys Velaryon for years, so a woman being "uppity" with him can't bother him that much. Though I'll grant that that came years after this moment and after he'd had time to mellow out some.

Beyond whatever problems he had with her attitude, he also hated Rhea Royce because she wasn't Valyrian, and had been forced on him by his grandparents since he was barely a man.
 
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