Also humans were designed primarily by making a cruel mockery of Autocthon's creation the First who later reconstituted himself as the Clayman scarred and crippled from The Ripping and tearing of the primordials. They were imbued with the weakness they saw in the great maker crippled of essence and bound by illness.
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Also humans were designed primarily by making a cruel mockery of Autocthon's creation the First who later reconstituted himself as the Clayman scarred and crippled from The Ripping and tearing of the primordials. They were imbued with the weakness they saw in the great maker crippled of essence and bound by illness.
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That isn't right. ...
Humans were based off the clayman yes, but they had another duty. And that was the fact humans were the best party generators that the Primordials could make.
Isn't treated with much piety in 2E.
Lunars have an immortality charm before hitting the real high essence. Abyssals are genuinely immortal. Infernals are supposed to die quickly, but become immortal with heretical charms. Solaroids theoretically can die - and did, once upon a time - die of old age, but that was an issue that was pretty rapidly getting solved the moment it was, uh. "Discovered."
Are dependent on arcane infrastructure and have limited load-outs, and their mote pool lags behind. Still, in 2E, tho, a lot of their charms were Celestial/Solaroid-tier. For example, IIRC, their Punch Stuff charm was pretty much just entirely a Solar Punch Stuff charm with the name-plate filed off.
A lot of Clayman stuff is like, 1e Exalted lore, which is not necessarily true to the 2E. And 2E is the "primary" canon to this quest, I think?
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We don't actually need that much baseline here. The point of getting the prodigy down to 3 with flaws is that it doesn't need a dead monster or anything of that power to work. A vial of vampire blood or some magic mushrooms are perfectly valid reagents.
As to giving Divsimar anything extra, I don't think it's a good idea for what amounts to politics. I would suggest to him that he not even use the tree until after his order accepts it.
We're very sketchy looking even with our references, so we need to avoid throwing flags that make it look like we subverted Divsimar. Even if they eventually accept the truth it's still be very unpleasant and could lead to things being said or done that are hard to forgive even understanding why they happened.
Extra tattoos or something aren't worth it for someone in his situation and offering them puts him in a bad spot. Better to give him his teaching bonus by making a point about how he was the one who's hard work and courage got them their cool new toy. Being the guy who earned eternal youth and incredible but still human power for his order is a significant feather in his cap we can enhance.
Things like framing as a gift to our teacher's order and not just to the order, perhaps handing it off to him to present to their leadership and making our time available to come and explain it.
Oh. That's something.
We have a demigod of death with us, think he left a ghost? I'm not sure they even can, but if anything could make them it seems like this would be it.
I wonder if the vengeance lever would still move her after all this. Convincing her to flip so we can claw a pound of soul-flesh from her boss seems like it fits with her response in that memory, but it also puts us very close to looking like another verse in the same song if she learns anything in all of this.
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Also when they become cities they are kind monster from what we know. Infernals don't need heretical charms. But they also lose their Exaltation s they become a new copy of a Yozi that exist.
Why not both?
Though in all honesty I was using a little bit of poetic language. From what we know about the creation of humanity is the First which he didn't start as the clayman we know that gets made. Then the primordials to spite his maker tear him apart and make crippled copies in His image. They later discover due to copying his soul format that without any outlay for essence they make great prayer engines.
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That isn't why humans made great prayer engines last I checked the lore, given that it involves the fact they dream. Which they stole from the wyld from to do so.Why not both?
That could be true. From what I remember and this is second edition humans were made to mock Auto. Then later when there was sufficient numbers of us when we cried out in Terror and fear we generated quintessence in spiritual spaces like Yu Shan. The prayer part is a happy accident of being able to mock their crippled brother. The why of how prayer works like that I'm not even sure if it was actually gone into.
1)There were only allegedly twenty-something Primordials to be overthrown in the Primordial War, and it required the entire Exalted Host plus allies in a war of unknown length to overthrow them.
If you are making the claim of high-Essence Celestials being Primordial-tier, you have to square that with the idea that being ambushed at a dinner was enough to kill the majority of the Solar Host, which had multiple elder Exalts in their number.
Chejop Kejak was a young dude during the Usurpation.
2) There is an Essence 7 Solar charm (in DoTFA I think) that extends your lifespan from 3k to 7k, plus there are anagathics but they do not do it indefinitely. You WILL die of natural causes around 10,000 or so even after stacking everything, unless you stop being human, at which point you stop being an Exalt.
Infernals in Exalted 2E have a lifespan of 150 years as long as they are under Essence 5; they can extend it above E5, but IIRC they have to become baby Yozi with their own charm trees to achieve immortality.
Abyssals and Alchemicals are immortal.
Sidereals have a hard capped lifespan of around 5000 years.
Rakan Thulio does not exist in Exalted Second Edition, neither do Getimians or all that bullshit.
Not sure about Lunars; my Lunar lore is poor.
3)The Age of Glory was a thing for thousands of years.
There were multiple high-Essence Solars running around, building and working wonders. I dont really buy that argument that they will eventually outdo the Primordials, where eventually is some indeterminate time in the future.
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Like I said, that isn't the 2e lore that I recall. This sounds more like the 1e lore on them.
Lunars have a cap but can cheat around it by sleeping using some of their charms that lets them sleep past whole eras.
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While it is true that there are only about 20 primortials, there are also entire loyalist species like the Lintha (but unlike the Lintha most of them did not survive) and an entire class of Forbidden Gods including at least one Incarna. Not saying anything about the general scaling one way or the other, just thought it might be worth noting that the Primordials did not stand alone in the end.
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It is also worth talking on this that, most gods on the Exalted's side were under the Geass which had them have to keep finding ways around it to help them.
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Did Luna have that? Was Gaia a god? Also isn't Luna the result of supreme deicide until there was only Luna left?
Also very relevant. When one says the Forbidden Gods were on the side of the Primordials that means they were smitting the rebels with all kinds of horrific plagues and henceforth unknown calamities, whereas the rebellion's gods had to play games to be of any help.
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Luna was a god so yes, Gaia wasn't a god. Gaia is a primortial who was on the Exalted's side. And yes, Luna eat or become one with all other possible moon gods of Creation.
Luna as an Incarnate and therefore a god was bound to her makers as much as any of the others. Gaia was not as a titan-peer.
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Also a charm that lets you reverse age by hibernating.
This Charm permanently upgrades its prerequisite. First, an invisible Essence cocoon grants the Lunar +15L/15B armor soak while hibernating. Second, and more importantly, the Lunar ages in reverse while slumbering, at half the rate of time spent sleeping. For example, a Lunar who hibernated for 10 years would awaken with a body five years younger than it was when he went to sleep. This slumber never results in a loss of memories, traits or capabilities. A Lunar is considered to be his actual chronological age for the purpose of purchasing Essence dots, rather than his biological age as modified by this Charm.
A second purchase of this Charm, at Stamina 10+, Essence 9+, allows the character to age in reverse while hibernating in real time. If he hibernates for 10 years, he awakens 10 years physically younger. Using this Charm, a character can reverse-age his body only until it reaches the physical age at which he Exalted. Time spent hibernating in excess of that limit has no further age-reversing effect. This Charm represents the current apex of Lunar anagathic study.
We see their works in canon.
The Solar Deliberative do nothing on that tier despite thousands of years and effectively unlimited resources and the cooperation of Yu-Shan. Surpassing Primordials is not why they were created.
Primordials have limitations of their own; thats why becoming one is not necessarily a good thing.
Alchemicals are explicitly Celestial-tier in the lore.
They are, IIRC, the only splat that mechanically comes close to matching Solar dice pools in their area of specialty, and have access to a variant of Adamant-Circle Sorcery.
They are also the second-best crafting splat in the books. They just require setup time to configure for specialties.
He was forced to Choose somehow.
I would have thought that was beyond the power of the Outsiders, and frankly the child should have been too young to Choose anyway. Maybe the shared ancestry with the Fae gave them a backdoor to use?
Either way, Fae dont leave ghosts. Thats a mortal thing.
The Solars had much the same thing in their retinue.
IIRC, part of the resentment of the DBs were all the Golden Children and constructs and the like that the Solars(and to a lesser extent, the Lunars) kept making. There was a massive genocide of entire populations during and after the Usurpation that created entire massive shadowlands that still exist as of the Second Age.
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I think they are like third, due to Jade Born. Which have some of the most broken ass crafting charms.