Fate/Clusterfuck (Fate/Stay Night)

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She's at least talking, which, by my memory, rules out this being a Heaven's Feel situation at least, fact she's giving out midfight banter is if anything fairly encouraging for our ability to reason with her once we get her out of fight mode. Granted, that alone would be a tall ask, much better than trying to fight her ourselves at least.
[X] [Try and find Rin]
[X] [Summon Mordred]
 
Adhoc vote count started by Erien on Dec 3, 2023 at 7:18 AM, finished with 73 posts and 42 votes.
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Stonehelm101 said:
[X] Tell Alter if she lets you live, you'll cook dinner for her

Maximum Shirou
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The problem is this is Alter, not Baeber. So unless Shiro wants to produce the lowest and unhealthiest forms of takeaway slop, she won't be tempted in the slightest.

I think cheap booze counts, but I mean come on; were Shiro not taiga.

Weirdly enough though, Taiga's awful cooking might actually pass the salter test…
 
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PurgeTheXeno said:
[x] [Fight]
It was two servants on one, with three magus acting as backup.

We have Medea and Cercie amping us up. Fuck it we ball.
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Fucking ball indeed. Beat Saber, and woo her. Truly this shown Rin cannot be trusted with Saber given the situation

[X] [Fight]
It was two servants on one, with three magus acting as backup.
[X] Tell Alter if she lets you live, you'll cook dinner for her
 
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[X] [Try and find Rin]
If this is her servant, then she should be nearby.

If there is a hill to die on, let it be my adoration of the original Tsundere. Thanks for giving us that choice.
 
ImperialBriton said:
The problem is this is Alter, not Baeber. So unless Shiro wants to produce the lowest and unhealthiest forms of takeaway slop, she won't be tempted in the slightest.

I think cheap booze counts, but I mean come on; were Shiro not taiga.

Weirdly enough though, Taiga's awful cooking might actually pass the salter test…
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Bribe her with cheeseborger
 
Adhoc vote count started by Erien on Dec 3, 2023 at 8:19 PM, finished with 83 posts and 46 votes.
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Locking in 48.

Rin win?
 
Stonehelm101 said:
Unfortunately for Rin, Shirou can't project food.
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Weirdly enough, wouldn't Shiro be loaded from all of Kiritsugu's bounties.

The man may have loved his exotic weapons but he lived frugally as hell.

In that case he could just open up one of his dads old suitcases, and earn Rin's partnership for a whole week! (Well, that and cause a happy meal shortage in the Land of the Rising Sun)

Videogamer921 said:
When she gets more uppity, we give her chiken maknoogets
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Nah… what she really needs is a Snickers…
 
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Erien said:
You couldn't see anything, and for some reason your hands were responding to your requests to alleviate that situation either.
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"weren't"?
Erien said:
It's the malaise from before, only how heavier
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"now"?

Well, well, would you look at that, we collected another Dojo scene. Go us!

Haven't been around to vote last time, but I didn't think running to the castle was a Bad End. WIth Saber having magic resistance up the gills, our mages should only be good for self-buffs, and I hoped that having nothing better to do they'll manage to evacuate the team. It worked fine last time! :whistle:

Erien said:
The Rin route is permanently locked. And can no longer be accessed.
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Now this, this I like. Not the locking of Rin's route, per se - even though I've been intent on ignoring her, I recognize she is an important character for a lot of players - but the notion that our choices have consequences, and the finality of some of them. It's been... somewhat lacking in other quests, even yours. QMs like to leave all the doors open because closing a few threatens to lose them readership. It takes bravery to stand your ground and put story integrity before the numbers.

I am a bit puzzled by what you mean by 'Rin's route', especially considering what a route signifies in the context of VNs in general and FSN in particular. You mean, it was possible to bring Rin's relationship from nothing and make it take precedence over half a dozen of relationships we already have, all in the span of this story? There's barely enough chapters in the quest for that. It looks more like our ability to interact with the character in a non-hostile manner was permanently severed, or at least damaged to an extent that makes interactions undesirable, given other options.

(I am mildly annoyed at routes being equated with romantic entanglements. This whole harem dynamic feels like juggling all the options in the air to avoid making any definitive choices. I admit waifu wars and romantic drama is what makes half the intrigue in these quests, but it's starting to look like it's being done more for players' sake at the expense of the character, who gets his opinion ignored. Mentally reversing the situation in regards to the opposite sex makes these talks of sharing and foregoing consent really weird.

Which 'route' are we even on? Do we have a route, as in, the story taking a vastly different turn because of throwing our lot with a character, or will we continue forward as an amorphous Master-Servant blob of unresolved sexual tension? I'd be quite fine with separating a 'route' from waifuing because I am firmly behind Ayako as a romantic interest we chose, but I also recognize her influence on bigger plot - being a normie among legends - is likely to be negligible in comparison).

Either way,

[x] [Summon Mordred]

Saber is a problem. So is Mordred. So is Rin, in all likelihood. One of our problems is likely to solve the other.

Our mages don't have the capacity to fight themselves, or to slow Saber down. We need someone to tank and make use of whatever distraction they come up with.
 
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Nevill said:
"weren't"?

"now"?
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Fixed.
Nevill said:
It looks more like our ability to interact with the character in a non-hostile manner was permanently severed, or at least damaged to an extent that makes interactions undesirable, given other options.

Which 'route' are we even on? Do we have a route, as in, the story taking a vastly different turn because of throwing our lot with a character, or will we continue forward as an amorfous Master-Servant blob of unresolved sexual tension?
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You have next to no chance with Rin, this is just meaning it's possible to *maybe* have her survive the war.

Shirou has no pity for enemy mages after all.

As for the route, you aren't on a route. This story was never about juggling romance, it's Shirou trying to survive the war. People react to that, and who the players choose to interact with and get to know better is entirely their prerogative. But at most, you are on the 'Ayako' route with Circe causing chaos.

There'll be plenty more interactions in the future, as I want to explore these characters. But the story is continuing on with its plot, with or without them. One such example being that Rin will almost certainly never be part of the team without extreme effort. And certainly never a romance option now.

As for unresolved sexual tension. Not my style. What relationships that happen will happen long before the end so they can be explore. Whether that's Ayako, or Medea, or Circe, or all three and everybody.

The story is about more than the 'routes' its about people. Calling it the Rin 'route' however, gets the point across.

Your choices matter, Fate is not a kind universe. Ayako could have easily died, one of the options straight up killed her. The same will be true for many other characters.

Only Shirou gets multiple chances.
 
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Erien said:
The story is about more than the 'routes' its about people.
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Fair enough. You used the term, so I wanted to clarify what you meant by it, given the original VN has three very distinct ones.
Erien said:
You have next to no chance with Rin, this is just meaning it's possible to *maybe* have her survive the war.
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No chance for... what?

I take it as 'no chance' to have Rin in the little coatition of mages and Servants congregating around Shirou. Ignoring her moved her towards the enemy camp simply due to this being the default state of relations between Masters, and then right in Kotomine's helpful arms in search of an alliance of her own. Which is fair, I made my votes with facing Rin in mind.

If she ever gets there, it'll be after her defeat which would make her irrelevant to future plot.

I still don't want to kill her, but more for Sakura's sake that anything else, and Shirou isn't even aware of this little trivia. I wonder if Archer would enlighten him, because Sakura certainly won't, not at this point.
Erien said:
This story was never about juggling romance
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Neither was FSN, to be fair. It just had a very different story flow for every character you got close to.

In that regard, if we compare the impact of characters and the weight of our interactions with them, Medea comes out ahead of everyone, but maybe your story runs on a different logic.
 
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