Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Winning Vote
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Dec 26, 2022 at 11:33 AM, finished with 75 posts and 12 votes.

  • [X] As Molly Carpenter, a newly active member of the greater supernatural community, previously aware of its existence but largely sheltered from it due to our age and parental concerns.
    -[X] Use Etiquette and Empathy Excellencies, with an aim toward easing the concerns and misgivings of those who might react negatively to our apparent nature.
    [X] As a powerful but ultimately human ally, a force for good that is ready to stand against the powers preying against them, a resource they could call upon
    -[X] Etiquette and Leadership excellencies, Empathy too if needed
    -[X] Consult with dad on how to make this work. He has a lot of experience meeting powerful men and things that only pretend to be men.
    -[X] TTC and BSM for makeup, hair styling, clothes selection and such to make yourself look like the image you want to present
    -[X] STUNT: Your day starts with making yourself look human. This is a but more literal for you than for many girls your age. Strange looking machinery scrubs your skin, washes and styles your hair, applies make up with micron scale precision. Your mom serves as the judge to how you look. In the front yard Black Rider waits to ferry you to the meeting place.
    [X] Plan A Growing Girl
    -[X] As someone who has found and claimed great power that is still growing into her grasp of it.
    [X] As Molly Carpenter, inexperienced sorceress just learning the ropes
    [x]You're powerful and willing to take them on as minions if they volunteer, but honestly you can't really see them being all that helpful to you so you would rather just be friendly without obligations for now.
 
Arc 4 Post 27: Before an Empty Hearth
Before an Empty Hearth

25th of August 2006 A.D.

The muggy late afternoon sunlight spills out over an apartment building with all the charm of a strip mall and seemingly all the permanence of a trailer park, chain links clanking under the hand of your host to the accompaniment of distant barks and whines from what might have been strays or perhaps dogs whose 'masters' has inconstant hearts. Be fair Molly they could just be poor, you tell yourself, though you note the lady in question seems to give lie to her surroundings. Helen Beckitt is wears a dark grey pantsuit like it is armor against the gazes of any who would look her way, a string of small pearls around her throat more like a collar than jewelry and most incongruous of all a silver watch around her wrist... stopped at two minutes past three. She's in her late thirties, early forties maybe, with that fine hand for makeup that can make a woman seem ageless, though any envy of her skills quickly dies when you look into her eyes. Hard they are and almost empty of emotion, like someone who is just making time, as though all the world were a vast ledger and she just adding up.

"I'm so happy you could make it Miss Carpenter, would you like a cookie?"

You nod automatically, turning away from Hellen's disquieting stare. 'Call me Abby' Douglas is as sweet a person as the treats she is handing out, specifically handing out here so that Helen would not be upset unless you miss your guess, though you really do not think she cares.

Out of all four women present Abby's power is the easiest to guess since she has a habit of answering things you are about to say. It was a little startling at first, but you got used to it. The fact that Abby had gotten an earful of several versions of your greeting to the Ordo might have something to do with why she is so friendly, at least that is Usum's theory. For your part you think he's not giving enough credit to regular old human niceness.

For her part Anna Ash, leader of the coven, had definitely not invited familiarity, she had returned your greetings politely and taken in your assurance that you are not some obscure sort of fiend with good grace but also with a measure of caution. You get the distinct impression that she has some kind of means to fight you, or at least hold you off lined up.

Lost 2 Essence -> Now at 10/12

Sadly you do not think it would do much good. Your first impression of the Order of the Cauldron is that Pauline is very much typical of their senior members and her guardian spirit one of the more potent personal defenses they sport. Of you spot a few charms and trinkets here and there, but it does not take Harry's Sight to tell they are small things, bound to this skill or circumstance. Any one of the four caught out alone in a deserted place, out of sight of inconvenient witnesses would have little means of protecting themselves. Well other than maybe Helen, she looks like the kind of person who would shoot an attacker between the eyes at the drop of a hat. So it is all the more odd that it's her apartment you were all here to ward.

Best as you can tell Anna is particularly worried about Helen having drawn the wrong sort of attention, but none of them respond to your gentle prodding as to what that is, not even Abby. Maybe she's involved with some shady magic, you know better than most that magic is not just black and white, but that between them lie whole vistas of things you would not want the average Warden to know about. Honestly if you were in their place you might be tempted to test those limits as well.

But as you climb the narrow stairs, more glad than sorry to find them poorly lit, you feel nothing in the dark. It does not press upon the mind nor steal the breath from the lungs. The dark and dingy stairway is... dark and dingy, the worst of the ward on apartment 16 a twinge of awareness running through your shoulders, like a sudden draft followed by some ethereal window slamming shut.

Of course the other side of the coin is... this place basically has no threshold. Not only is it newly bought but whoever had stayed here before did not think of it as a home or place of sanctuary. They had not even thought of it as a place of particular torment, which would have created its own kind of anchor... Thanks for that bit of trivia Usum.

Dismissing the silent apology with a shake of the head, it really isn't his fault, you turn back to the matter of how to anchor a ward to what is basically a safehouse for one... a safehouse for someone who is constitutionally incapable of feeling safe.

The others do not expect you to come up with the answers of course, they have their own ideas. Firstly Pauline could lay a curse across the threshold empowered by Hellen's blood. "Nothing permanent," she hastens to assure you. "Just debilitating, ill luck for one who would tress pass with ill will."

You shoot her a smile to assure her you don't think less of her for her arts. "Still less dangerous than a gun and I do not go around thinking of everyone who carries one of those as a potential murderer."

Abby giggles like you had made a joke... You decide not to tell her different.

Anna has a more straightforward, but also much more difficult way to guard the place, enchant the door to slowly sap the heat out of the apartment and then once it is 'charged up' blast all of it outwards in a flash of false sunlight. While it would not have the metaphysical weight of true sunlight it would be near enough the real thing to terrify anything vulnerable to the sun while also giving everyone else painful full body burns and unless they were very fast to shield their eyes temporary blindness.

Hellen herself is the most skilled ritualist in the group and she seems quite sure she can transmit at least some portion of your magic to whoever is working the magic, to empower the ward. You are not sure what it says about her that she does not seem the least perturbed to be working with your power.

Which of the methods do you think you can help with most?

[] The curse, you have a feeling your essence would make a hell of a knot of any enemy's fate

[] The false-sun ward. You feel there is an affinity there, though it feels a little... unsteady

[] Something else
-[] Write in suggestion


OOC: So far so good, though the fun part comes next.
 
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I feel like we should have a natural talent for curses, but we haven't taken any of the curse charms yet.

Although going by our favored hells maybe a ward of darkness that only the residents of the house can see though?
 
I think we should do the curse: Molly + Helen + Pauline should make a good save.

Actually when we're done here we can hire some of them, a curse ritual empowered by an Infernal and powered by a Dragon's Nest should give a good mystical defense.
 
I hesitate to offer, but a regular mundane home security system with one of our cyberdevils in it would likely be more effective. Supernatural predators are used to just being able to knock out all the technology so they are unlikely to be prepared for it when it keeps working.
 
We should bring cookies to the next meeting. And they should be the best goddamn cookies they ever tried, with CCC, WHWH, TLF and all that thrown in. Just because.

Also, yeah, I think this is thematic. This is plot-related. Do we reach for the traces of solar glory or use the powers of hell? Or maybe both? I'll have to think and work on the write-in.
 
We should bring cookies to the next meeting. And they should be the best goddamn cookies they ever tried, with CCC, WHWH, TLF and all that thrown in. Just because.

Also, yeah, I think this is thematic. This is plot-related. Do we reach for the traces of solar glory or use the powers of hell? Or maybe both? I'll have to think and work on the write-in.
In fact, the way it is written we should do the curse because it is an effective defense against all kinds of beings while the other way is only against CoD. And not all threats to lesser talents are CoD, so why not make a more complete defense?
 
We should bring cookies to the next meeting. And they should be the best goddamn cookies they ever tried, with CCC, WHWH, TLF and all that thrown in. Just because.

Also, yeah, I think this is thematic. This is plot-related. Do we reach for the traces of solar glory or use the powers of hell? Or maybe both? I'll have to think and work on the write-in.
TLF is easy just cook in undertown. CCC is tricky for all the reasons that people have already argued about. WHWH is uniquely tricky to use with cooking. We might be able to get a freezer room, but a freezer room that stays at freezing temperatures well we are cooking seems harder. Adding on boiling seas mastery is easy.

So it's easy for us to manage a -4 DC reductions, but more than that for cooking is going to need to build a very custom workroom in undertown. It might make sense to build that room as we restore last station given that it should help us speed up repairs.

Still -4 DC cookies are certainly going to be better then humanly possible. We might even have paranoid people refuse to eat them thinking that they must be a glamour or something.
 
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I suspect our presence in/near this social circle alone would be enough to derail that plotline.
As our Red friend in Cleveland found out, it is hard to plot against someone while the burning eyes of their anima stare into your soul.
Maybe not. People who have gotten used to acting with impunity are unlikely to suddenly learn caution now.
And like I said, they've already started, which makes it unlikely they will suddenly stop.
In canon, there were at least 36 deaths nationwide before Dresden got called in. I quote:
Elaine pursed her lips, frowning for a moment. "I see."
"Your turn."
She nodded. "I've been working out of L.A., taking a lot of cases referred my way—like this one. And Chicago isn't the first city where this has happened."
I blinked at her. "What?"
"San Diego, San Jose, Austin, and Seattle. Over the past year, members of a number of small organizations like the Ordo Lebes have been systematically stalked and murdered. Most of them have appeared to be suicides. Counting Chicago, the killer's taken thirty-six victims."

"Thirty-six…" I ran my thumb over the handle of the coffee Cup, frowning. "I haven't heard a word about this. Nothing. A year?"
Elaine nodded. "Harry, I've got to know. Is it possible that the Wardens are involved?"
"No," I said, my tone firm. "No way."
I mean its worth remembering that one of the people involved here is Madrigal Raith, who tried to auction Dresden on Ebay, and only barely survived being turned into slurry durin the events of Proven Guilty.
By all rights a smart person would have laid low. Instead he deliberately got involved, and drew Dresden's attention.

So yeah. They'll gonna turn up here sooner or later. I'd bet on it
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With the right Hell we could have an army of literally ten billion loyal devils with magitech equipment.
And we'll have government institutions to implement our commands. We'd just have one of our Devillish Full Generals command our deployed forces while other parts of our general staff handled logistics and replenishment.

That's the benefit of a large, modern highly populated hell. We won't have to do things ourselves as we'll have a government to handle the details for us.
1)Respectfully?

The fact that you see nothing wrong in volunteering a bunch of people and their descendants in perpetuity to a forever war just to spite Mab is an issue, my friend. And that you dont seem to realize that Molly is not so far gone as not to feel responsible for any people she put on the frontlines of a neverending war.


2)No, we cant just have a general there. This isnt a mundane war. Its as much about magic as it is manpower, against Outsiders.

It literally requires the second and third most powerful members of Winter, Mab or Lea to always available at the Gates, and the other to always be available to reinforce. Back in her early days before Lea was strong enough to spot her, she had to trade a favor with the senior Fallen angel Anduriel to spot her.

Do you get what its like to be on 24 hours combat call? As just one of several jobs that Mab is juggling?
Lea being immobilized and in recovery is a major disability for Winter.
Could Molly do it? Maybe. Would she have the time to spare for literally anything else? Unlikely.



3)Winter is only able to support half a million troops at the Outer Gates. I doubt we can do better.
Doesnt matter how large a population our Hell can support.
Projecting and supporting a military force outside our Hell and across the NeverNever is a whole different scenario.

The last Hell in this setting that got frisky got slapped down by Winter, firmly establishing the current pecking order.
 
The way I see it, we can either empower the curse, or we can try and make the solar ward actually do something.

I think we should call in Mouse. Threshold protections are his thing. He could at least help.
 
[x] The curse, you have a feeling your essence would make a hell of a knot of any enemy's fate
-[x]Stunt: Drawing on your knowledge of Kakuri the Night Realm you notice a few improvements to the bad luck charm. Not just giving bad luck, but luck with malice that makes everything feel hopeless and spiteful. Where all the world seems turned against you because it is. Every paper cuts, every tile edge stubs a toe, every drop of water causes a slip and the night does not hide them only blinds them.
 
[x] The curse, you have a feeling your essence would make a hell of a knot of any enemy's fate
-[x]Stunt: Drawing on your knowledge of Kakuri the Night Realm you notice a few improvements to the bad luck charm. Not just giving bad luck, but luck with malice that makes everything feel hopeless and spiteful. Where all the world seems turned against you because it is. Every paper cuts, every tile edge stubs a toe, every drop of water causes a slip and the night does not hide them only blinds them.
i like that one
 
[x] The curse, you have a feeling your essence would make a hell of a knot of any enemy's fate
-[x]Stunt: Drawing on your knowledge of Kakuri the Night Realm you notice a few improvements to the bad luck charm. Not just giving bad luck, but luck with malice that makes everything feel hopeless and spiteful. Where all the world seems turned against you because it is. Every paper cuts, every tile edge stubs a toe, every drop of water causes a slip and the night does not hide them only blinds them.
 
Actually, stop. @DragonParadox please clarify the intent of the vote - as written, nothing stops Molly from helping with wards, as they are made one after another and layered on top each other. Is the vote about what Molly considers her strength, or is there the unstated (or stated and I am missing it, in which case sorry to bother you) understanding that only one type of ward can be made?
 
CCC is trivial to apply with a modicum of prep time for crafting. We should be able to apply it to anything we make at home. It's not tricky at all.

Also, note that the Green Fire of an ExWoD infernal is not Ligier the Green Sun's radiation. It's the ever burning radioactive fallout of the post-nuclear apocalyptic city.

Respectfully?

The fact that you see nothing wrong in volunteering a bunch of people and their descendants in perpetuity to a forever war just to spite Mab is an issue, my friend. And that you dont seem to realize that Molly is not so far gone as not to feel responsible for any people she put on the frontlines of a neverending war.


2)No, we cant just have a general there. This isnt a mundane war. Its as much about magic as it is manpower, against Outsiders.

It literally requires the second and third most powerful members of Winter, Mab or Lea to always available at the Gates, and the other to always be available to reinforce. Back in her early days before Lea was strong enough to spot her, she had to trade a favor with the senior Fallen angel Anduriel to spot her.

Do you get what its like to be on 24 hours combat call? As just one of several jobs that Mab is juggling?
Lea being immobilized and in recovery is a major disability for Winter.
Could Molly do it? Maybe. Would she have the time to spare for literally anything else? Unlikely.



3)Winter is only able to support half a million troops at the Outer Gates. I doubt we can do better.
Doesnt matter how large a population our Hell can support.
Projecting and supporting a military force outside our Hell and across the NeverNever is a whole different scenario.

The last Hell in this setting that got frisky got slapped down by Winter, firmly establishing the current pecking order.

1) Devils aren't humans. They don't think like humans, act like humans, suffer like humans or reproduce like humans. For war-devils, an eternal battle could quite literally be paradise for them. And that's what we should try to get

2) Mab spent months dedicated to keeping Dresden alive while she didn't have a functional Winter Lady and the Leansidhe was on ice. Clearly you're simply incorrect here.

3) I expect we can do better as Winter isn't that strong or relevant outside Europe and North America, and is operating on much more primitive styles of institutions and logistics. It makes sense that a feudal kingdom can't deploy significant forces, because feudal kingdoms are incredibly shit at that. We can have a modern hell with modern institutions that can wage modern institutional war.

And just because Winter can defeat one other Hell that's a deserted wasteland with basically no organisation doesn't mean she can defeat a modern hell.

This isn't to spite Mab. This is to defeat an enemy of humanity who is holding the world hostage. She gets away with her massive amounts of shit because she's a necessary evil. The way to deal with that isn't to accept the countless atrocities she sponsors, it's to work to make her unnecessary.
 
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If we roll high on the nightspite curse I think that we should be able to make home alone style antics happen. A slip, stubbed toe or paper cut might not seem like that big a deal, but when they chain together you get wacky antics.

These robbers in home alone would have been dead many times over.
 
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Actually, stop. @DragonParadox please clarify the intent of the vote - as written, nothing stops Molly from helping with wards, as they are made one after another and layered on top each other. Is the vote about what Molly considers her strength, or is there the unstated (or stated and I am missing it, in which case sorry to bother you) understanding that only one type of ward can be made?

Molly thinks she can make both of the default options, that said she is not sure what she will actually get with either, as she has never:
  • Been part of a ritual before
  • Worked with a minor talent
 
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