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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Boney said:
Modern Empire policy sees Wizards as sort of like if the goose that laid golden eggs was actually a velociraptor. Working out a system where they lay their golden eggs in a place that is accessible to the Empire and turn their claws and fangs only against enemies of the Empire was an enormous coup that needs to be maintained, while trying to convert over to a factory farm system to maximize egg production is self-evidently insane. This is why the Colleges are allowed to emphasize and protect Wizard freedoms so much, because if the Empire starts trying to do that inexplicably widespread trope where you imprison and torture the dudes you give phenomenal cosmic power to and expect to fight your enemies, it becomes very, very easy to make them a better offer, and there are a number of beings, countries, and forces that are extremely willing to do so.

This is why Mathilde needed to be bargained with to get the Skaven stuff from her even though the other party outranked her, and why Vitae is not going to be snatched from her hands unless there's much better reason to do so than 'ooh shiny'.
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Wait this is still getting argued about?

Boney said:
He had a few moments of abrupt alarm, then it all got filed under 'under control' and 'not my problem'.
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AT LEAST NUZZLE US IN OUR HOUR OF NEED, DANG IT!
 
The3rdCorinthian said:
Wait this is still getting argued about?
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If I didn't want to share the 'velociraptor wizard' mental image so much I might have considered the matter settled enough that it didn't need me to weigh in.

The3rdCorinthian said:
AT LEAST NUZZLE US IN OUR HOUR OF NEED, DANG IT!
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Broadcasting the sensation of napping in a sunbeam is Wolf's way of doing something similar without adding another variable in the form of a magical being to a magical experiment gone awry.
 
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Boney said:
If I didn't want to share the 'velociraptor wizard' mental image so much I might have considered the matter settled enough that it didn't need me to weigh in.
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I understand perfectly and thing it's a great analogy, and now have two mental images.

One of a Jurassic park raptor in a neat hat

and one with one of the 'Adorable Toothy Roosters' from Manly Guys doing Manly things, which is also in a neat hat and tiny robes.
 
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You know if Bok's soul bearing five runes is the result of carving them in a liminal realm then I must wonder where is the access point into it? A dwarf would have to be able to physically carve them and a dwarf did carve them. Dwarfs have a way to cut off sections of the Aether into the physical. So where is the access location for Bok's liminal soul realm?

My guess is in Karag Mhonar. Why else would it have stayed in that mountain and continues to return to it as well?
 
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Boney said:
This is why Mathilde needed to be bargained with to get the Skaven stuff from her even though the other party outranked her, and why Vitae is not going to be snatched from her hands unless there's much better reason to do so than 'ooh shiny'.
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It is also why Sir Thane Lord Magister Weber can't just requisition power stones on her whim. Or conscript minions to write papers and admin her network.
 
@Boney Are you moving the AV amount tracker (X gallons) to the char sheet (maybe next to personal wealth) after we finish the research chain? It seems a bit awkward for it to still be in turn starts if there's no longer an AV research actions section to attach it to.
 
Nerdasaurus Rex said:
Not only is he Best Boy, but he is significantly smarter than we are.
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I mean, given time most of us calmed down and felt we shouldn't be paranoid.

The problem was that we decided not to be paranoid in different directions.

Edit: Not sure why this is getting laughs. I'm being completely serious/

Both sides were arguing against paranoia. Just in ones case, the argument was that paranoia was acting on it's words and worrying about them, and i the other, Paranoia was the act of hiding it from our allies in order to avoid consequences/infohazards.
 
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One of the things I want to know is why AV expands upon transitioning into the 8 winds via agitation.

Like, that suggests 4 phases: AV, 'Primed' AV, 'Primordial Winds', and the Wnds. Or maybe it's closer to a spectrum, and Primordial winds are simply winds that are closer to the state of AV than regular winds.

regardless, I think that AV itself undergoes a change before that kind of transformation is important. I also wonder whether or not it was the Dimensional Gap itself that detonated the vitae, or whether the pressure we were exerting was about to do the same thing as agitating it, and a change in properties caused it to enter the Aethyr where it detonated. The way mathilde frames it:
Boney said:
Under this theory, Vitae that is made to detonate while equidistant to reality and unreality would never have been exposed to the taint of reality and so would form a copy of the Aethyr that birthed them.
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I'm not sure what she means by this, whether it detonated within the Gap or by the Gap.
 
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Parabola said:
Aethyric Vitae
-Weber's Box: It has a nice ring to it, but you've got no idea what 'Weber's Box' actually is, or what's going on in there. Have a very, very careful look at it.
--Investigate the constantly-dripping blood of the Wisdom's Asp.
---Investigate how living things react to exposure to the Vitae.
---Investigate the exact circumstances required to induce a transformation.
---Investigate how the Vitae reacts to Dwarven magic-dampening Runes.
---Attempt to interest a prominent and knowledgeable Runesmith in the interaction between Runes and Vitae.
---Investigate how the Vitae reacts with Divine Magic.
---Investigate how the Vitae reacts to a power stone.
-----Create Orbs of Sorcery solo (requires one of each Power Stone)
---Power stone creation class
----Investigate how the Vitae reacts to being subjected to power stone creation methods.
----- Use AV to make a Liminal Realm and find a way to make it safe from Warp intrusion.
----- Write a book: Aethyric Vitae (2 actions) (will be more impressive if we have Orb of Sorcery and/or a safe Liminal Realm to demonstrate.)
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Great rundown! I would make the following changes, though:
  • Powerstone creation class should be at -, since it does not itself have any prerequisites.
  • We had two actions that appeared on the list and then got deleted: AV enchanting (which itself obviously would require enchanting classes) and the weaponization (which took three separate forms over time: Qhaysh skunkworks, weaponize instead of learning its secrets, weaponize using its secrets). As we climbed the research tree, we learned enough about AV that we figured out these wouldn't work without needing to spend the AP on it, but they still consumed a lot of thread attention and there were serious debates about trying them.
It's cool to see how far we've come, and the Shattering-level discoveries in the book are gonna be a big deal, I think. Changing the common understanding of Winds and reality is huge.
 
picklepikkl said:
Great rundown! I would make the following changes, though:
  • Powerstone creation class should be at -, since it does not itself have any prerequisites.
  • We had two actions that appeared on the list and then got deleted: AV enchanting (which itself obviously would require enchanting classes) and the weaponization (which took three separate forms over time: Qhaysh skunkworks, weaponize instead of learning its secrets, weaponize using its secrets). As we climbed the research tree, we learned enough about AV that we figured out these wouldn't work without needing to spend the AP on it, but they still consumed a lot of thread attention and there were serious debates about trying them.
It's cool to see how far we've come, and the Shattering-level discoveries in the book are gonna be a big deal, I think. Changing the common understanding of Winds and reality is huge.
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I've made these changes. It's worthwhile to include these details.
 
Parabola said:
The one bit of research we can't include in the book is Divine Magic, but I don't think it would even be that conspicuous to not do so- Mathilde's a wizard and no-one knows that she has a literal divine artefact on her at all times. She could easily say that the possibility didn't occur to her and that she's not sure anyone should try it out because it's a fraught topic.
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Most people also can't sense divine energies like Mathilde, especially of gods not their own. Without that, the investigation becomes much less obvious, and incredibly difficult. Not to mention the energy signature crystals Mathilde had lying around, those are probably not common.
 
Parabola said:
Points at my older post
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Now if we'd know that from the start, clearly we'd never have fought over this.

Delibird is a weak ass bitch with a quad weakness against rock type attacks, which our Dawi allies clearly would specialise in.

consequences said:
"Hey Hatalath, does Morathi know anything about Liminal Realms? Because if not I have a way to make her feel completely inadequate."
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I like this.

I like this a lot.
 
The3rdCorinthian said:
I understand perfectly and thing it's a great analogy, and now have two mental images.

One of a Jurassic park raptor in a neat hat

and one with one of the 'Adorable Toothy Roosters' from Manly Guys doing Manly things, which is also in a neat hat and tiny robes.
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...who was doing the Mathilde picture commissions? Because we need Big Toothy Rooster Mathilde with the Hat leading a group of baby Toothy Rooster 'ducklings'.
 
If with AV we can make 8 Orbs of sorcery, would it be possible for an Elven High Mage to do something similar with AV but instead of creating 8 Orbs of Sorcery creating something akin to a Mega Orb of Sorcery with the 8 Winds weaved together (in a similar way to High Magic)?
 
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