Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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Yzarc
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Here is the background on why Infernals were a last minute addition.
While more difficult then Solars, Infernals have perfects that last for the turn, which Lunars cannot do.
That's what Bloodless Murk Evasion is for? Negating the attack and moving 9 yards into a shadow should get you cover.
Or 'Who Strikes The Wind', admittedly better in some ways as turns long protection.
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The existence of an outright better option that allows armor stacking in the same book implies to me that the implicit restriction on infernal demon armor probably wasn't a deliberate balance decision.
If it was, then lunars would have gotten a nerf when adding the infernals.
Unless we're in sunlight or we have people behind us who'd get shot up.
Just parry them, Exalted its only a single attack to them, Flurry are not a thing as far as I can tell.
This is about if we have to rely on soak, such as more than 4 people shooting at us, which makes more parry...not something you can do.
I have to go check the books again. Because thats not the impression that Holden's fluff gave me.
You dont YOLO into dens with multiple vampires and ghouls if you have to deal with the classic Exalted 5 dudes with sledgehammers problem. Only now they have AKs.
Point of dispute:
Thats not a regen charm, thats a healing charm. The Lunar charm is, and I quote:
This is scenelong regen, for staying in a fight.
The Infernal charm is for healing damage.
There's a reason I think the Lunars dont need the help; they're pretty fucking monstrous as it is.
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+ 5 STR from Earthshaker Form, Predator King aspect for agg damage,
+ 5 STR from Excellency.
25 Agg damage dice onto someone they can't parry. ExWoD Lunars are busted.
Edit: And Soak Lunar can do it no problem.
Roll WP dc 6, every success adds to soak, reduce soak diff, increase attack diff on you, add 5 STA from Excellency, Bone armour for soak...
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Yzarc
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I really do not see how you can think it is a healing charm when it flat out says it heals for sux turns in combat.
It says the same thing as the Lunar Charm.
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Oh just leave it be with the Lunar comparisons.
We are good in our own way and we propablywon't need a direct comparison to acombat-focussed Lunar in this story.
We are good in our own way and we propablywon't need a direct comparison to acombat-focussed Lunar in this story.
I think he's saying that because it has a success based limit, it's a boost you apply that lasts for part of a fight. So you use it like a health potion even if it applies over a number of turns.
The lunar charm is fire and forget scene long regeneration so you can just toggle it on and not worry much about timing, resource use, or length of the conflict.
Note the number of turns.
You've rolled Sta 3 + Occult 5 against Diff 7; average 3 or 4 successes.
That means you can heal 3-4L over 3-4 turns. Not bad, not too expensive, and might well save your life.
The Lunar is healing 1L per turn until the fight ends.
Thats the difference between a regen charm and a healing charm.
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Aside from the Fetish-crafting charm, though, Lunars don't seem to get much if any utility.
Lunars are SUPPOSED to be hanging with Solars and Infernals in a fight. That varied by edition a bit, but it was a theme.
If anything I'm sure most Solar players would be agog at the free Shintai form buffs, which are insane.
'What do you mean, she has a separate health track for her true form?'
'Just be glad she didn't buy the charm for her TRUE true form which has a third health track. Or did she?'
Yeah, Lunars get something comparable, but that is because it is their thing. I mean, Infernals seem pretty damn comparable if not better than Lunar and Solaroids, some of their charm set is a little clunky but on the other hand some of it is clunky in ways that make them better than Solars or Lunars. And they pretty much mulch Alchemicals, Sidereals, or Dragonblooded. Seems about right.
Lunars are SUPPOSED to be hanging with Solars and Infernals in a fight. That varied by edition a bit, but it was a theme.
If anything I'm sure most Solar players would be agog at the free Shintai form buffs, which are insane.
'What do you mean, she has a separate health track for her true form?'
'Just be glad she didn't buy the charm for her TRUE true form which has a third health track. Or did she?'
Yeah, Lunars get something comparable, but that is because it is their thing. I mean, Infernals seem pretty damn comparable if not better than Lunar and Solaroids, some of their charm set is a little clunky but on the other hand some of it is clunky in ways that make them better than Solars or Lunars. And they pretty much mulch Alchemicals, Sidereals, or Dragonblooded. Seems about right.
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Could you provide some examples?
The only ones I can recognize off the top of my head is VEE as to being better than Solar or Lunar.
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
Venomously Disagree.
Compare the Infernal charms to the Solar AND Abyssal ones. They are flat out inferior, with gimmics that just bring them up to the Solar level if at all. Same with the Lunar comparisons.
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If that becomes relevant for any reason, this world has already been fucked.
Uh, no about Sidereals.
They are damned strong and good, very much so.
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Oh I just hate this discussion.
I've had it up to here with all of DPs quests.
Sorcerers are bad, Cavaliers are bad, Infernals are bad...
It was always enough and a story can be fun without complaining to the QM until he allows maximum gamebreaking optimisation.
I've had it up to here with all of DPs quests.
Sorcerers are bad, Cavaliers are bad, Infernals are bad...
It was always enough and a story can be fun without complaining to the QM until he allows maximum gamebreaking optimisation.
*checks out Lunars*
You know what +2 armor isn't going to break the game balance, something I allow might, but it won't be +2 armor. You guys can take up to two armor aspects
Im not sure I would agree.
No, Im sure I would not agree.
Look at the Changing Moon charms. Or the No Moon charms.
They benefit from being able to boost their Attributes above 5 into superhuman levels, and they can do gnarly things with their charms. They even get a Language charm. As a 1 dot. Infernals dont.
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Sure we get Language.
Wicked City has a Charm that allows for universal language and I belive it was one dot.
It also lets you hurt people who talk back.
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