Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Arc 15 Post 56: The Orphan Verse New
The Orphan Verse

Elsewhere, Time Indeterminate

"I'm pretty sure the people who are comparing me to a Yama King aren't entirely wrong," you blurt out at Lydia. "We all swim in tainted waters, but hey, I think that's all mankind too, no need for dread arcane power, so you can just think of those as a bonus."

"A bonus?" the word rises together with an uneven smile, more of relief than amusement at your choice of words.

"You know I can't see your soul like this..." you reach and twist, another more of Essence burned. "Mostly I can see vampires, winter fey, those passage pigeons, demons, those berserkers who worked with Gorfel, so for what it might be worth you're more like Gard than..." your eyes trail back to the false child, part of your brain wondering if it is offended while another speaking mostly in Usum's voice answers that it can no more feel the sting of offense than the caress of kindness. It's just playing pretend. And maybe that's the worst of all.

Looking into those black eyes is hard, in some ways it's harder than looking at the shoreless waters below, boundless nothing in human form bounded. Some might call it abomination, an affront to God, but God from what you have found of late is much harder to offend than most people suppose or would like others to suppose thereby granting them power to stand in judgement. So resolved to make your own judgement not with the coiling of revulsion in the pit of your stomach, but with what understanding can be wrung from ancient faded memories and what empathy you can summon:

"Do you not wish to live in truth, a guest invited always not just grudgingly, by temptation or by force?"

"Why should life be the truth while I am the lie?" it matches question for a question. "They hunger then they sublimate their appetites into others. Should I have counted the ways times when crosses fell from limp hands drained of blood because it was not faith at all that moved them but a hunger for validation or power we would still be here counting when the next century passes. Men lie and I speak truth."

There's something uncanny about the way that word fell, more so than the moment and the speaker, more so than the utter silence before and behind it.

"Why is truth important, why is it good?" The question gets you quizzical looks from Lydia and Tiffany both, but now's not the time to meet their eyes.

"Because it's the truth, because I am the..." he looks down at the sea with a most un-childlike frown. "Because only truths are eternal, lies are fleeting mortal things."

"And why is it good to be eternal?" you press.

"Because it is good to be."

You fall now into a rhythm, almost a kind of poetry, though one whose final rhyme you cannot guess: "It does not want you to be."

"The sea?" the voice rises in intonation, though only in courtesy.

"What if you could be apart from it?"

"I am a part of it."

"If."

In human discourse, and fey and even beings as strange and eldritch as the Red Court such as you have conversed with talks sparawl outwards into complexity understanding is achieved, here is spirals down into a single point so sharp it bleeds.

"Truth?"

"Truth."

"I wish to be apart from the Sea."

As you reach out to grant the gift, giddy with success, an unease steals over your mind recaling what the being before you had said in greeting: 'A part of me is always here, the pressure of my gaze upon the ocean. Older things than I are stirring in the depths'

"What of the older ones below?" you ask and in that same rhyming cadence it gives what might be the most fightening answer of all.

"I do not know."

Wat do you do?

[] The agreement reached here is fragile as a snowflake and will potentially do a world of good, sometimes you have to take a leap of faith

[] Try to back off on what offer until you can figure out what the consequences would be
-[] Write in stunt

[] Write in


OOC: Getting across fundamentally non-human inteligences is tricky, that is what I was struggling with yesterday hope this works.
 
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As you reach out to grant the gift, giddy with success, an unease steals over your mind recaling what the being before you had said in greeting: 'A part of me is always here, the pressure of my gaze upon the ocean. Older things than I are stirring in the depths'

"What of the older ones below?" you ask and in that same rhyming cadence it gives what might be the most fightening answer of all.

"I do not know."

Wat do you do?
To clarify, the risk is "will getting LoV out wake the things in the Ocean up"? Or is the question "will making the agreement with LoV also autoamtically extend to the things in the Ocean?"
 
[X] The agreement reached here is fragile as a snowflake and will potentially do a world of good, sometimes you have to take a leap of faith

This monstrous child is in his own way an innocent reality is allowing to suffer so everyone else can live. He might as well be the child of Omelas, and walking away from reality isn't an option. Either we leave him here or we make a third choice possible.

… Incidentally, Omelas seems like the perfect use name for him. If nothing else it will make our position on who he is clear when we introduce him to people.
 
[X] The agreement reached here is fragile as a snowflake and will potentially do a world of good, sometimes you have to take a leap of faith

And hey, worst case scenario, the Ocean is most likely a Neverborn, a.k.a. something that Exalted has already killed once.
 
What could possibly go wrong?

CNN Talking Head: "In breaking news, it seems that much of north Africa, the Mediterranean sea, and southern Europe have been replaced by an endless abyss from which rise Lovecraftian horrors fit to drive man mad with unknowable truths that erode sanity and force enlightenment upon the viewer. I for one welcome our new tentacular overlords. Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!"

[X] The agreement reached here is fragile as a snowflake and will potentially do a world of good, sometimes you have to take a leap of faith
 
[X] The agreement reached here is fragile as a snowflake and will potentially do a world of good, sometimes you have to take a leap of faith

This monstrous child is in his own way an innocent reality is allowing to suffer so everyone else can live. He might as well be the child of Omelas, and walking away from reality isn't an option. Either we leave him here or we make a third choice possible.

… Incidentally, Omelas seems like the perfect use name for him. If nothing else it will make our position on who he is clear when we introduce him to people.

I'm not sure, Omelas could imply he was the result and not the victim, the regime and not the child that was tortured to maintain it.

Is there a name in the story of Omelas that could work better? I have to admit to not knowing enough about it to find one.

[X] The agreement reached here is fragile as a snowflake and will potentially do a world of good, sometimes you have to take a leap of faith
 
[X] The agreement reached here is fragile as a snowflake and will potentially do a world of good, sometimes you have to take a leap of faith
 
And so the Emerald Empress spoke the words that shook the foundation of world.

"YOLO LAMO LOL"

[X] The agreement reached here is fragile as a snowflake and will potentially do a world of good, sometimes you have to take a leap of faith
 
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[X] The agreement reached here is fragile as a snowflake and will potentially do a world of good, sometimes you have to take a leap of faith

[Fornicate it, we sphere]
 
[X] The agreement reached here is fragile as a snowflake and will potentially do a world of good, sometimes you have to take a leap of faith

This monstrous child is in his own way an innocent reality is allowing to suffer so everyone else can live. He might as well be the child of Omelas, and walking away from reality isn't an option. Either we leave him here or we make a third choice possible.

… Incidentally, Omelas seems like the perfect use name for him. If nothing else it will make our position on who he is clear when we introduce him to people.
I don't think the analogy holds. He wasn't made to suffer so others could prosper. He was made to suffer, so others could suffer. We are reprogramming Skynet / making terminator human, rather than saving the child from Omelas, I think.
 
I'm not sure, Omelas could imply he was the result and not the victim, the regime and not the child that was tortured to maintain it.

Is there a name in the story of Omelas that could work better? I have to admit to not knowing enough about it to find one.

[X] The agreement reached here is fragile as a snowflake and will potentially do a world of good, sometimes you have to take a leap of faith
Not really, certainly not one as recognizable.

I think people would get the point; messages aren't readily divisible from their context and with this sort of thing the literal sense it makes is less important than the connection it invokes.

If you want to see a small scale example of something like this, consider how we spent the entire arc shortening Bushi Tuzi to Tuzi - literally "not a rabbit" to "rabbit".

The name itself didn't really carry meaning to us, but still.
 
I don't think the analogy holds. He wasn't made to suffer so others could prosper. He was made to suffer, so others could suffer. We are reprogramming Skynet / making terminator human, rather than saving the child from Omelas, I think.
He's an unintentional Omelas child; part of what he's doing here is holding down the things below so that they won't bother the world. He wasn't made for this purpose, but it's the one he ended up filling.
 
[X] The agreement reached here is fragile as a snowflake and will potentially do a world of good, sometimes you have to take a leap of faith
 
[x] The agreement reached here is fragile as a snowflake and will potentially do a world of good, sometimes you have to take a leap of faith

I don't think this is even a question at this point? My only worry is we'll need to kill more things if we want enough essence to free this one and reforge the Nephilim?
 
[X] The agreement reached here is fragile as a snowflake and will potentially do a world of good, sometimes you have to take a leap of faith

We couldn't do otherwise here and still be true to ourselves and our beliefs.
 
If something does wake up and swims to the surface, I say we check it out with the crown ("how strong is this thing?" or "how does it fight?" or, in meta-terms "what is its character sheet" or something like this), and, depending on the answer, either break out the eschaton shintai, or bravely run away. It's still not a reason to burn our super diplomatic achievement.

... I wonder, when we tell the "Went, hunting for Kemmler's personal spirit of knowledge. Resurrected and redeemed a dead Fallen angel, and the whole Black Court" story, will it be enough to drive Mab to drink. Because I can actually see McAnally's pub hosting a "Molly flipped the table" night.
 
If something does wake up and swims to the surface, I say we check it out with the crown ("how strong is this thing?" or "how does it fight?" or, in meta-terms "what is its character sheet" or something like this), and, depending on the answer, either break out the eschaton shintai, or bravely run away. It's still not a reason to burn our super diplomatic achievement.

... I wonder, when we tell the "Went, hunting for Kemmler's personal spirit of knowledge. Resurrected and redeemed a dead Fallen angel, and the whole Black Court" story, will it be enough to drive Mab to drink. Because I can actually see McAnally's pub hosting a "Molly flipped the table" night.
If we can successfully raise, let alone start on the path to redemption, a true fallen angel and not a mere shadow like Lash, the echelons of all powers will drink and our threat profile will rise even higher.

And while we can help this being, I doubt the influence of our actions will spread throughout the Dark Court, for there is no such connection that I know of.
 
Did I miss something isn't he nephilim? The child of an angel and a human that just happens to be giant when they grow. That bought the morning Stars lies or rather didn't disbelieve the Morning Star when he said the Throne was silent.
No, he seems to be one of the fallen angels. We did not see the fall of a Nephilim, we saw the fall of an angel in that vision. At least I think so and I agree with Yog's assessment
 
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