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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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pucflek said:
The dragon yes, but We? I am not seeing it.
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The locks out anyone else ever being hired. It turns the entire library into an extension of one giant We. Which fair enough if that is what people want but it's not for me.

I'd be ok with the We if we could also hire others but based on what Boney's said that doesn't really play well with their psychology which is a shame.
 
TreP said:
Why? I mean, dwarves are already alright trading with We without any problems. And anyone who is capable to travel to K8P to learn some important knowledge is definitely not "I'm scared of insects" sort.
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I feel like there is a bit of difference between being scared of small spider and spider that you could use as an mount.
 
Angelform said:
To whoever is given the job of managing and investigating AV.

Think of it this way: We were persuaded to give our store of Skaven tech over to dedicated researchers because it is something very much worth researching that Mathilde can't dedicate sufficient time to research in a reasonable period.
That same logic applies to AV, except far more so. AV is of strategic significance and Mathilde has been mostly sitting on it for years. The Colleges aren't going to be happy letting it continue to accumulate on Mathilde's shelves until she gets round to tinkering with it again. We might not get explicitly ordered to give to to someone else right away, but I very much expect there to be pressure that she gets on with it or finds someone who will.

The snake box probably won't be physically moving regardless.
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One meaningful difference between Skaven loot and AV is that the loot needed research to be made useful, whereas if no more research were to ever be done on AV again, it is already useful to Runesmiths and the Colleges.

...also, you look to be arguing about ownership of the source of AV, but if the colleges are that interested in what else it might be used for, it would be much less domineering of that institution to ask for samples of AV to experiment with and not the source.

And I do not think the Colleges would be so blunt as to demand ownership of all the output of the mirrorbox when they could (for one example) buy some of the output for favour and in doing so keep Mathilde sweet.
 
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TreP said:
Why? I mean, dwarves are already alright trading with We without any problems. And anyone who is capable to travel to K8P to learn some important knowledge is definitely not "I'm scared of insects" sort.
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Because if you ask a old worlder what's the first thing they think of when you say 'giant spider' they will probably say 'those those things that goblins ride and eat uncle Fred'.

You want spiders? Fine, but don't pretend that most people in setting will not have problems with them. Exactly if they are not from k8ps. (And we want people not from k8ps to visit)
 
Alectai said:
Haven't we gotten enough done that we can Write The Book on AV now? Power Stone Interactions was one of the last things gating that I thought?

Just dropping that on the desk of Dragomas and departing with a T-Pose would probably make things very exciting.
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I think we also wanted to see what would happen if we tried the powerstone making ritual on it?
 
Jyn Ryvia said:
Because if you ask a old worlder what's the first thing they think of when you say 'giant spider' they will probably say 'those those things that goblins ride and eat uncle Fred'.

You want spiders? Fine, but don't pretend that most people in setting will not have problems with them. Exactly if they are not from k8ps. (And we want people not from k8ps to visit)
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Who are those "old worlders"? I mean most of those who got scared by mentions of "giant spiders" are illiterate anyway.
 
I mean, can't we just tell Dragomas that we found a way to make more orbs and show just him. Why on earth would he say no to a way to make more of them? They seem very useful. He'd be an idiot to say no
 
TreP said:
Who are those "old worlders"? I mean most of those who got scared by mentions of "giant spiders" are illiterate anyway.
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To be fair I am quite sure literate people would be scared of the giant carnivorous spider unless and until they learned they would not eat them. On the other hand anyone willing to travel half the world to the back and beyond that is K8P is probably brave enough to listen to the explanation.
 
We also just saw in the update what a prestige boost having a dragon associated with something is by way of the imperial vault. I expect having Cython involved will make certain future negotiations involving other institutions a good bit smoother.

Regarding AV, I would say our slow-rolling of it is once again completely vindicated. Considering the use we found already takes up nearly half our current stock for one yield. So don't expect any elbow jogging.
 
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Just wanted to add a few more arguments on locals.

A librarian is more than just an employee, they have a traits and personalities of their own, they add to the library identity and ambient.
A focused researcher may know exactly what book they want and pay no mind on how to get it but a young curious scholar may not be sure what he needs, experienced librarians are good in recommendations and pointers.

The We will be an efficient worker and get the book you want in no time... but is that really necessary for a library? Other options (except Dragon) may commit mistakes about book availability but its IMO a price to pay for variety. Why variety? Even if The We librarian can communicate well (which only writing makes difficult) it will still have only a singular mind and opinion, and I dont like it when I can have humans, halflings and dwarves staff voice theirs.

Im entire aware the We will have their own perks and also enrich the library identity, I just ask people see past efficiency and cool.

What you want the Library face and voice be like?
 
LockedMind said:
I'm actually against dragon. Cython is awesome, but a dragon considering the library a part of their horde leads to overly strict lending policies, IMO.
Spiders have similar problem, but much more easily mitigated. Boney said that they consider first copy of any book they read priceless and additional copies useless. That means that if our staff copies anything that our library has then the spiders won't have a problem lendingthose extra copies.
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I know I'm well behind but that sounds like it could lead to significant problems. If the We consider additional copies useless it seems plausible that they won't be attentive to lending policies, ensuring books are returned, damage, barring those who've misbehaved etc. etc.
 
TreP said:
Who are those "old worlders"? I mean most of those who got scared by mentions of "giant spiders" are illiterate anyway.
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How about actually engaging with an argument instead of being disingenuously dismissive of a point because you don't like it. It's rude.

'Old worlder is 'everyone that's had to live in a world of orcs and goblins, Which is everyone.

The WE might one day be full expected by the rest of the world, but please don't pretend that the obvious problems don't exist at the moment.
 
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