deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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- Earth
That would require that GW allowed the forces of Order to do proactive things like invade Naggaroth
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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- Location
- Somewhere between the stars
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- She/Her
I think people are kinda overestimating the degree to which Alric will mess with us about this, because like. Let's look at the goals here.
Alric's primary goal is to re-secure his old over the Light College. His main way of doing this is through doing a Great deed. Now, the waystone project would count as that, except it's one with an undeterminable amount of time. He could be stuck here for up to 50 years before he get's an amazing results, all the while Mira is gaining more power over in the main collage itself. Alric is on a time-schedual as Mira is constantly moving around him all the time.
The waystone project while amazing, might take a really long time, which is why i think that muscling in and taking over the waystone project isn't something he'd be that interested in. Because it wouldn't give him results quick enough that it could matter to his goal of securing his patriatch seat.
Secondly, it's running into the issue of actually aquiring controll over the waystone project. As been stated several times allready, the elves were here for the assistence of Matilda, The dwarves is doing this as a favor to Matilda. The Kislev people are again on the request and favor of Matilda. Every single party except the elves, are as a result of Matilda action and favors. Primarly the human corresponder they are going to be looking for is Matilda.
The only guys whom Alric might have a chance to win over is the Lights(Which with Egrim in them, is unlikely) and the Jade collage, whom probaly would be having a slightly jaded look on this outcome. While it's still possible for Alric, he'd be using up a lot of political capital and fight, in order to secure the seat as the leader of the collages, for an project that again, isn't gurantied to succeded or be that quick.
I can't really see Alric being that vastly interested in the project simply because it would a ton of effort, in order to do something that might not even give him the results that he wants. There's plenty of deamons and mysteries out there that need solving, that is way more secure for Alric.
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The second reason Alric would have to mess with the project is spite against Matilda. Now, while i don't think it's entierly unlikely he won't be looking for ways to mess up Matilda as revenge, i don't think the waystone project would be the place where he'd do it.
Alric have generally been portayed as someone who while self-serving and arrogant, does still loyally serve the Empire. If Alric sinks the waystone project, that means the empire would lose their one big chance to understand how waystone works and potentially fix them. He would be setting the well-being of the empire itself in order to screw Matilda over.
And that's gonna blow back on him as well, because he'd be annoying the Ulricians whom are vested in the alliance, the dwarves due to being a part of the project, the elves(though they aren't that important to empire politics atm), as well as the different Colleges who are a part of the project now, atop of the chance that Alric is meddling in the affairs of other colleges out of spite.
Which would considerable reduce his own chances for re-gaining proper controll over his seat in the light collage. It's not immpossible, but i think it's highly unlikely, since it would be going against both Alric's goal of securing his own political power as well as his own loyalty to the empire.
Which is why i don't think Alric is that big of a threat. He isn't harmless, but i don't think he'd sink the project in order to spite Matilda, and he stand more to lose by trying to muscle his way into the project.
Personally, i'd consider Ulthuan the biggest risk to the project(beside the obvious Chaos) as it currently stands. Since we allready established how the Elves got mad at the ice witches for using the waystone project to benefit themself instead. If the Elves let this project fly through, they may be looking at a repeat of Kislev with the Empire creating it's own closed network, which to be fair, Matilda was thinking about.
It would that Ulthuan as a whole would have considerable less pull on the politics of the empire, since they can't monopolize the knowledge of waystones. Though, if this is big enough to make them consider manipulating affairs, i'm unsure on.
Alric's primary goal is to re-secure his old over the Light College. His main way of doing this is through doing a Great deed. Now, the waystone project would count as that, except it's one with an undeterminable amount of time. He could be stuck here for up to 50 years before he get's an amazing results, all the while Mira is gaining more power over in the main collage itself. Alric is on a time-schedual as Mira is constantly moving around him all the time.
The waystone project while amazing, might take a really long time, which is why i think that muscling in and taking over the waystone project isn't something he'd be that interested in. Because it wouldn't give him results quick enough that it could matter to his goal of securing his patriatch seat.
Secondly, it's running into the issue of actually aquiring controll over the waystone project. As been stated several times allready, the elves were here for the assistence of Matilda, The dwarves is doing this as a favor to Matilda. The Kislev people are again on the request and favor of Matilda. Every single party except the elves, are as a result of Matilda action and favors. Primarly the human corresponder they are going to be looking for is Matilda.
The only guys whom Alric might have a chance to win over is the Lights(Which with Egrim in them, is unlikely) and the Jade collage, whom probaly would be having a slightly jaded look on this outcome. While it's still possible for Alric, he'd be using up a lot of political capital and fight, in order to secure the seat as the leader of the collages, for an project that again, isn't gurantied to succeded or be that quick.
I can't really see Alric being that vastly interested in the project simply because it would a ton of effort, in order to do something that might not even give him the results that he wants. There's plenty of deamons and mysteries out there that need solving, that is way more secure for Alric.
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The second reason Alric would have to mess with the project is spite against Matilda. Now, while i don't think it's entierly unlikely he won't be looking for ways to mess up Matilda as revenge, i don't think the waystone project would be the place where he'd do it.
Alric have generally been portayed as someone who while self-serving and arrogant, does still loyally serve the Empire. If Alric sinks the waystone project, that means the empire would lose their one big chance to understand how waystone works and potentially fix them. He would be setting the well-being of the empire itself in order to screw Matilda over.
And that's gonna blow back on him as well, because he'd be annoying the Ulricians whom are vested in the alliance, the dwarves due to being a part of the project, the elves(though they aren't that important to empire politics atm), as well as the different Colleges who are a part of the project now, atop of the chance that Alric is meddling in the affairs of other colleges out of spite.
Which would considerable reduce his own chances for re-gaining proper controll over his seat in the light collage. It's not immpossible, but i think it's highly unlikely, since it would be going against both Alric's goal of securing his own political power as well as his own loyalty to the empire.
Which is why i don't think Alric is that big of a threat. He isn't harmless, but i don't think he'd sink the project in order to spite Matilda, and he stand more to lose by trying to muscle his way into the project.
Personally, i'd consider Ulthuan the biggest risk to the project(beside the obvious Chaos) as it currently stands. Since we allready established how the Elves got mad at the ice witches for using the waystone project to benefit themself instead. If the Elves let this project fly through, they may be looking at a repeat of Kislev with the Empire creating it's own closed network, which to be fair, Matilda was thinking about.
It would that Ulthuan as a whole would have considerable less pull on the politics of the empire, since they can't monopolize the knowledge of waystones. Though, if this is big enough to make them consider manipulating affairs, i'm unsure on.
So either Caledor never got around to moving an entire library's worth of books, or after he was trapped forever his books were moved back to Anlec. Pick whichever fits the timeline better, or just ignore it altogether if you must, because I have to confess that I did not do the three novels worth of research it would take to decide on the most canonically appropriate location for a library that existed seven thousand years ago.
- Location
- Reno
- Pronouns
- They/Them
[x] Imperial Dispensation
[x] Imperial Dispensation
- Location
- Actually pretty lost
It's not really about Alric specifically, it's about limiting the degree to which anyone else can stick their oar in and mess with our project. Alric's just the most obvious example.
The only person who'll know we went over their head is Dragomas - the other Patriarchs are explicitly not finding out. Dragomas, of the Wind of "artificial social barriers cause more problems than they solve". Who went and negotiated a whole damn treaty with Cathay and got retroactively promoted to Wizard Lord for it. He won't just be fine with it, he'll approve.
[x] Imperial Dispensation
The only person who'll know we went over their head is Dragomas - the other Patriarchs are explicitly not finding out. Dragomas, of the Wind of "artificial social barriers cause more problems than they solve". Who went and negotiated a whole damn treaty with Cathay and got retroactively promoted to Wizard Lord for it. He won't just be fine with it, he'll approve.
[x] Imperial Dispensation
I can see how us meeting the other wizard heads goes.
"Hey so it turns out we will be dealing with Dhar if we do this whole Waystone thing. Just wanted to let you all know.
" Well we can't do that. Article 7. You'll have to shut it down. "
" Nah it's fine. I know how to deal with Dhar thanks to a book in my personal library. Surprisingly not that difficult to manage. "
"Wait. What's this book?????"
"Book? What book?" :^)
"Hey so it turns out we will be dealing with Dhar if we do this whole Waystone thing. Just wanted to let you all know.
" Well we can't do that. Article 7. You'll have to shut it down. "
" Nah it's fine. I know how to deal with Dhar thanks to a book in my personal library. Surprisingly not that difficult to manage. "
"Wait. What's this book?????"
"Book? What book?" :^)
- Location
- Earth
But why would Mathilde be dumb enough to mention it at all? Didn't she get her experience from all the stuff she did with the undead and traipsing around in the Chaos Wastes?
- Location
- Earth
[X] Imperial Dispensation
- Location
- Somewhere between the stars
- Pronouns
- She/Her
That is taking an extremly negative assumtion of the different collage heads, like. These aren't some unreasonable people. They'd be able to hear "we need to learn about Dhar in order to understand waystones" and kinda figure out that makes logical sense?
The other alternative is just ignoring waystones, whom are dwindling in number with every year that passes. They are on a time limit, before every waystone sooner or later is crushed to dust.
These are all head of Collages, if anyone would know just how important waystones are, it would be these people. I think we can generally assume that if anyone is gonna be understanding of this issue, it would be the guys who have ever reason to be
The other alternative is just ignoring waystones, whom are dwindling in number with every year that passes. They are on a time limit, before every waystone sooner or later is crushed to dust.
These are all head of Collages, if anyone would know just how important waystones are, it would be these people. I think we can generally assume that if anyone is gonna be understanding of this issue, it would be the guys who have ever reason to be
Parabola
Divided Loyalties Librarian
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- The Destination of Fate
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Six different potential avenus to explore things... We're gonna be busy, unless some of the actions we get are 'tell X Y and Z to go study leylines'.
[X] College Dispensation
I believe the Colleges in general are qualified to deal with this responsibly. They're well aware of the degenerating state of Waystones.
Alric wants his seat back certainly, but given that:
1) He doesn't actually know we fucked with him
2) His chosen means to regain status is solidly on Team Order
I think as a final point - if we want to onboard the other Colleges later they'd be asking fairly pointed questions about why we bypassed them. And we likely do eventually.
The Bright College still has the best enchanting tradition, and the Waystones work with all the Winds. The Colleges would strongly prefer that the Empire has the means to manage their internal waystone network rather than having to outsource to allies who may not remain so indefinitely.
I believe the Colleges in general are qualified to deal with this responsibly. They're well aware of the degenerating state of Waystones.
Alric wants his seat back certainly, but given that:
1) He doesn't actually know we fucked with him
2) His chosen means to regain status is solidly on Team Order
I think as a final point - if we want to onboard the other Colleges later they'd be asking fairly pointed questions about why we bypassed them. And we likely do eventually.
The Bright College still has the best enchanting tradition, and the Waystones work with all the Winds. The Colleges would strongly prefer that the Empire has the means to manage their internal waystone network rather than having to outsource to allies who may not remain so indefinitely.
- Location
- Utrecht
Albion got a piece of Old One lore, possibly directly from the source, and if i remember my lore correctly were one of the buttresses which stabilized the Vortex as it was made.
However, their role and position in the north made them the easier target, so they were attacked by chaos first to weaken the vortex.
Around 2500 IC, their defensive mists fell, revealing the island to the rest of the world, which leads to everyone trying to land on albion to help them, or deliver the killing blow.
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- He
[X] College Dispensation
Excellent update. I have no idea how you do it. To gather various pieces of often contradicting lore and making it fit. And then making a very nicely flowing lecture presenting it. Hats off.
Eh, took me way too long to get it. Again love your custom Kislevite words and terms. You know it's a hmm.. rude phrase, right?
Aaand with this, Baba Niedźwienka has already returned the investment.
consequences
Not A Nice Person At All
- Location
- Jerkville
I mean it's about Alric for me personally because I keep pondering the remaining thirty or so slots in the Marktag Madness Everchosen Bracket, and the narrative payoff if we keep Egrimm from falling to chaos only to have his Master skydive past him, convinced that he's the only one who can make the hard calls that will let him show them. That will let him show them all.
Your Mileage Probably Varies.
Eh, took me way too long to get it. Again love your custom Kislevite words and terms. You know it's a hmm.. rude phrase, right?
I almost went with Janina Kowalska, but I couldn't go past HGW once I read about it.