Further than some may hope, and yet closer than any expects there exists a small room, and inside of that room there is a man, sitting before a table, elbows resting on the old wood, fingers interlocked. The room is dark, all except of the flickering, indistinct image hovering over the table in front of him. In the dark, the light reflects off the man's glasses, leaving them shining so bright that if there were anyone in the room, they would be unable to see his eyes.

There, floating in front of him is a blurry and indistinct visage, shapes and colors all there, yet not solidly defined, as if being being painted into the very air by watercolor lights. Nor, do the images move, instead the changes being painted over every few seconds, flickering shifts that alter the way that the composite image appears in whole.

The details aren't nearly as clear as had the man been using the state of the art security systems that he would have honestly preferred, but such is one of the many difficulties in using a Devil Demesne - The half living houses can be particularly ornery and particular about the kinds of changes that are made of them. Even more so when it comes to sensory capabilities.
One of our problems is that the Crystal Millennium building is a soft target with a bunch of civilians inside. Even if Naru's a long way away from producing something on the level of the Chicken House, getting a solid idea of how magically reinforced buildings and security systems work could be invaluable. I'd feel a lot better about our corporate headquarters if the walls and such were rated for Prowess 20-25ish attacks and it could send us a magical distress signal if it got damaged.
From the way it sounds Devil Demesne don't really have Modern Magical Security Systems and it gets by being a knockoff of the First House. Since in that scenario we aren't getting a Devil Demesne we aren't likely to get any decent security systems that isn't for ornery Devil Demesne.

Edit: Basically I'm expecting that the answer is if we want to study with enchantment and wards relevant to protecting our Crystal Millenium building we will be better off studying the Manor.
 
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Eh, I'm not convinced. Going off of Lunaryon's post (information of which can change) the widest point of the structure is 315 square miles. If I make the entire thing a cylynder with double that in length we are looking at...

Area = 315 sq mi -> Diameter 20 miles
Height 40 miles

Cylinder has a profile that is basically a rectangle, so the area of the profile of the castle would be approximately 800 square miles.

Ah, okay, Phobos is much smaller than I though. I'm going to innacurately treat it like a rectangle as well. That is 22x27 KM = 594 km or 369 square miles.

My bad. I figured most moons were closer to Io in being many thousands of sq miles for a profile. I didn't realize there were quite of few of them that are... basically tiny.
Put it this way.

A moon the size of the Magellan Castle that orbited the planet Pluto might very well go undetected even if you aimed the frickin' Hubble Space Telescope at it. We know this because Pluto has four moons in that general size range, and the frickin' Hubble Space Telescope missed two of them (detecting only the two other, larger ones). They were found only when the New Horizons probe swung by for a closer look.

A moon the size of the Magellan Castle orbiting the Earth's moon would be detected very quickly; I'm fairly sure it would be visible to the naked eye as a speck of light in the night sky or a weird fleck crossing the lunar disc at certain times.

It's all about distance. Being small doesn't inherently make you invisible. What matters is how much light you reflect, how much light is hitting you to be reflected, and how distant the observer is. Venus is pretty close by the standards of planetary astronomy, and gets a lot of light, so objects the size of the Magellan Castle as depicted would be pretty conspicuous by astronomical standards.

Eh, sure they are the closest thing, but that is sort of like saying that Goats and Mice are a good comparison because they are both four-legged mammals that eat plants. It is close enough to acknowledge that there are similarities but it is very good to remember than not all mammalian herbivores are the same and that Naru is NOT a deity.
Two aspects of that.

One is that "deity" is not the same as "Pandora-created genius loci." Describing Queen Selene as a goddess would not be unreasonable, even though she obviously was not a genius loci. Naru is similar enough to the race of genius loci that she shares some arcano-biological similarities (basic metabolism, for starters), but I don't think any of us are under any illusions that she is identical to the race of genius loci or a member of that set.

At the same time, it seems as though the genius loci were, of all the various kinds among Pandora's children, the ones most similar to her. It is not unreasonable for Naru to be compared to them, much as half-siblings might be similar but not identical.
 
Two aspects of that.

One is that "deity" is not the same as "Pandora-created genius loci." Describing Queen Selene as a goddess would not be unreasonable, even though she obviously was not a genius loci. Naru is similar enough to the race of genius loci that she shares some arcano-biological similarities (basic metabolism, for starters), but I don't think any of us are under any illusions that she is identical to the race of genius loci or a member of that set.

At the same time, it seems as though the genius loci were, of all the various kinds among Pandora's children, the ones most similar to her. It is not unreasonable for Naru to be compared to them, much as half-siblings might be similar but not identical.

You say no one thinks they are identical, but the post that started this tangent wanted to talk about how Naru is going to "develop as a deity". Now, I know you state deity =/= Genus Loci but... the terms are really really married. Deity is a gender-neutral term for God or Goddess. I have never seen the term Deity used to refer to a non-god-like being.

Additionally, you make the point that describing Selene as a Goddess "would not be unreasonable" but... we know she wasn't, and it would be just as "reasonable" then to start speaking about how Usagi is going to "develop as a deity" if we take this approach. Which is just confusing. Now, I understand, we have imprecise language and many terms that are interchangeable. Just like it is hard to talk to a westerner without using the word "god" or "deity" when describing the Japanese Kami, which aren't really gods or deities in their mythology. But that doesn't mean that we shouldn't occassionally step back and remind ourselves and others that these terms ARE innaccurate.

Naru is developing as a Deity in the same way Usagi is. Neither of them are actually Gods/Genus Loci, they are just on the same power-scale.
 
[X][Loot] Shattered Stone Shishi Statue
[X][Loot] Wand of Washing
[X][Loot] Tanto
[X][Loot] Kanebo
[X][Loot] A few random magical books
[X][Loot] A favor
 
[X][Loot] Shattered Stone Shishi Statue
[X][Loot] Wand of Washing
[X][Loot] Tanto
[X][Loot] Kanebo
[X][Loot] A few random magical books
[X][Loot] A favor

I know that for the most part people have been doing this anyways, and I didn't even realize in my exhausted state that I hadn't made it a part of the vote, but please use a plan format for the vote, it just makes things much easier for me.
You are supposed to use Plan votes for this vote.
 
[X] Plan Equip the Company
-[X][Loot] A few random magical books [COSTS 2 POINTS]
-[X][Loot] Faust's Reagents [COSTS 2 POINTS]
-[X][Loot] Shattered Stone Shishi Statue [COSTS 0 POINTS]
-[X][Loot] Wand of Washing [COSTS 0 POINTS]
-[X][Loot] Tanto [COSTS 1 POINT]
-[X][Loot] Staff of Resistance [COSTS 1 POINT]
-[X][Loot] Archon Staff [COSTS 1 POINT]

The two staffs are for our staff's use, as will the Tanto if Uranus gets her space sword before it breaks. (gotta get something for Uranus until she unlocks her space Saber, and I really don't think a Kanebo fits our aesthetic.)

Two things, you need to have dashes acting as indents to have the tally parse it as a single thing and the extra text after the tanto would mess things up and separate it from anyone without the text.
Think I fixed it.

@Chaosmancer That should do it. Sorry, I must've missed yours.
 
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After giving it some thought, new plan:
[X] Plan Stay Classy, Stay Safe
[X][Loot] A few random magical books [COSTS 2 POINTS]
[X][Loot] Faust's Reagents [COSTS 2 POINTS]
[X][Loot] Shattered Stone Shishi Statue [COSTS 0 POINTS]
[X][Loot] Wand of Washing [COSTS 0 POINTS]
[X][Loot] Tanto [COSTS 1 POINT] (gotta get something for Uranus until she unlocks her space Saber, and I really don't think a Kanebo fits our aesthetic.)
[X][Loot] Staff of Resistance [COSTS 1 POINT]
[X][Loot] Archon Staff [COSTS 1 POINT]

The two staffs are for our staff's use, as will the Tanto if Uranus gets her space sword before it breaks.
Two things, you need to have dashes acting as indents to have the tally parse it as a single thing and the extra text after the tanto would mess things up and separate it from anyone without the text.
 
On the subject of Naru, didn't Ame no Uzume call her a godlet? Like, in person, to her face? A little before
the conversation swung around to godly domains on the grounds this was relevant information, at that. Even if
we might be a bit more read in on Naru's One Big Secret, I imagine Ame no Uzume has much more of an
informed opinion on the subject in general. Or is there some other factor I've forgotten that clearly
overrides that?
 
On the subject of Naru, didn't Ame no Uzume call her a godlet? Like, in person, to her face? A little before
the conversation swung around to godly domains on the grounds this was relevant information, at that. Even if
we might be a bit more read in on Naru's One Big Secret, I imagine Ame no Uzume has much more of an
informed opinion on the subject in general. Or is there some other factor I've forgotten that clearly
overrides that?
From our current understanding Genius Loci greatly resemble Lilim but lack a few features like the heavily mutable and adaptable body or the ability to just create Youkai and Genius Loci out of what is basically nothing. Just as a reminder Ame no Uzume explicitly does not know what Naru's deal is.

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"Naru here is a Godlet." Ame no Uzume begins to explain, her hands dancing and calling forth a glimmering illusion of dew and light, scattering into beautiful watercolor drawings of a number of different gods and goddesses, all dancing around an image of Ame atop an overturned water tub. "How, exactly, she is one is a bit of a mystery at the moment, given the way that so many of the Gods and powerful Yokai vanished so long ago, but I'm not super interested in the how of it, not yet anyways." The goddess explains.
Found it.
 
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You say no one thinks they are identical, but the post that started this tangent wanted to talk about how Naru is going to "develop as a deity". Now, I know you state deity =/= Genus Loci but... the terms are really really married. Deity is a gender-neutral term for God or Goddess. I have never seen the term Deity used to refer to a non-god-like being.

Additionally, you make the point that describing Selene as a Goddess "would not be unreasonable" but... we know she wasn't, and it would be just as "reasonable" then to start speaking about how Usagi is going to "develop as a deity" if we take this approach. Which is just confusing. Now, I understand, we have imprecise language and many terms that are interchangeable. Just like it is hard to talk to a westerner without using the word "god" or "deity" when describing the Japanese Kami, which aren't really gods or deities in their mythology. But that doesn't mean that we shouldn't occassionally step back and remind ourselves and others that these terms ARE innaccurate.

Naru is developing as a Deity in the same way Usagi is. Neither of them are actually Gods/Genus Loci, they are just on the same power-scale.
In this quest, we've got a guy named Bacchus who's been around since the Silver Millennium. We have no reason to assume he's a Pandora-created genius loci; as far as we can tell he's just a guy from that timeframe. Historically, Bacchus was worshiped as a god by the Romans.

Does Bacchus having ever been a 'deity' in Roman religion indicate that 'our' Bacchus must be one of the genius loci created by Pandora?

I think not.

...

This illustrates my point. Genius loci is an in-quest technical term used by Pandora herself to refer to one of the many species/breeds/races/"kinds" of supernatural being she created. Many of the genius loci are or have been worshiped as gods by known human civilizations.

We can draw a Venn diagram here. One circle contains the genius loci. A second circle cointains the "gods," in the sense of "intelligent beings of great supernatural power and unique immortal character that sets them above the common run of living beings." A third circle contains the "gods," in the sense of "intelligent beings of great supernatural power who at some time were worshipped by humans."

...

Some genius loci are gods in both the first and second senses. For example, Thor, though he's probably MIA since the Fade. Thus, they occupy all three circles.

Some genius loci are NOT gods in the second sense. For instance, the European 'succubi' attested to here, who were presumably never worshiped on any large scale.

Some genius loci may well not be gods in the first OR the second sense. Again, those succubi- it is unclear whether all of them were actually that powerful. It is not obvious that having a genius loci's magical metabolism inherently makes you powerful beyond the ken of vaguely-normalish mortals, even if you live a really long time.

Thus, the first circle is distinct from the third circle, and may be distinct from the second.

...

Some beings that are NOT genius loci are 'gods' in the first sense. Senshi are good example of this, in quest continuity.

Some beings that we have no reason to assume are genius loci have been 'gods' in the second sense. Bacchus is an example.

It is quite possible that some beings exist who are both 'gods' in the first sense (transcendent powerful nature) and in the second (objects of mortal worship), but who are not genius loci.

...

As such, it is not reasonable to be overly insistent on the idea that terms such as "goddess" and "deity" can apply only to the genius loci, and that everyone who uses those terms is implicitly making the assumption that everyone who uses those terms is in some kind of intellectual danger of deluding themselves into thinking that the person they're talking about is literally one of the genius loci.

...

I once cracked a joke in which Minako proclaims herself the goddess of "Love, War, and Shipping." I did not intend this joke to be interpreted as "Minako thinks she is one of the genius loci."

Figurative speech is a thing.

Please be less uptight about this.
 
I dunno, maybe? That quote sounds like she's not clear on the "how" or "why" but isn't particularly uncertain about the "what." More to the point though, is why do we seem so sure that Genius Loci and Lilim are not -both- entries under the larger category of "Gods"? That's a pretty broad term, generally speaking.

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Ah, too slow. XD
 
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On the subject of Naru, didn't Ame no Uzume call her a godlet? Like, in person, to her face? A little before
the conversation swung around to godly domains on the grounds this was relevant information, at that. Even if
we might be a bit more read in on Naru's One Big Secret, I imagine Ame no Uzume has much more of an
informed opinion on the subject in general. Or is there some other factor I've forgotten that clearly
overrides that?
Ame-no-Uzume has not been given much information about Naru aside from "she is very young and recently discovered that she has a magic-eating metabolism."

From this, Ame-no-Uzume has deduced that Naru is a 'godlet.'

Ame-no-Uzume has observed that Naru has given life to her hairclips.

From this, Ame-no-Uzume appears to have deduced that Naru is a burgeoning goddess of life, birth, or some related domain.

Whether "goddess of life" is just another way of saying "All-Mother," or whether there exist some genius loci who have at least SOME degree of the life-creating powers of the Lilim, enough that a juvenile Lilim can pass as a mere "goddess of life," remains to be seen.
 
To those arguing that we shouldn't get the Kanabo because we will eventually get the Space Sword, how long is that going to take? I'd rather have Uranus with a good weapon sooner rather than later, and getting the Space Sword is likely to be a very long way away.
 
I dunno, maybe? That quote sounds like she's not clear on the "how" or "why" but isn't particularly uncertain about the "what." More to the point though, is why do we seem so sure that Genius Loci and Lilim are not -both- entries under the larger category of "Gods"? That's a pretty broad term, generally speaking.

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Ah, too slow. XD

"That's..." Aurora begins, seemingly unsure of how to handle that statement. "That's not possible though." The girl mutters quietly, "The only two people who can make us are dead."
We know that Genius Loci and Lilim are 2 different types of entities. Lilim can do thing like create Genius Loci and Youkai out of nowhere. Just because Ame no Uzume thinks she knows what's going and most of her advice helps Naru with her abilities doesn't mean that Ame no Uzume is correct and Genius Loci and Lilim are the same thing.

Edit: Ninja'd.
 
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After giving it some thought, new plan:
[X] Plan Stay Classy, Stay Safe
-[X][Loot] A few random magical books [COSTS 2 POINTS]
-[X][Loot] Faust's Reagents [COSTS 2 POINTS]
-[X][Loot] Shattered Stone Shishi Statue [COSTS 0 POINTS]
-[X][Loot] Wand of Washing [COSTS 0 POINTS]
-[X][Loot] Tanto [COSTS 1 POINT]
-[X][Loot] Staff of Resistance [COSTS 1 POINT]
-[X][Loot] Archon Staff [COSTS 1 POINT]

Hey @SuperBigMac this looks identical to my plan Equip the Company. Would you mind consolidating under my plan instead?
 
In this quest, we've got a guy named Bacchus who's been around since the Silver Millennium. We have no reason to assume he's a Pandora-created genius loci; as far as we can tell he's just a guy from that timeframe. Historically, Bacchus was worshiped as a god by the Romans.

Does Bacchus having ever been a 'deity' in Roman religion indicate that 'our' Bacchus must be one of the genius loci created by Pandora?

I think not.

We also have no reason to assume he ISN'T a Pandora-created Genus Loci. After all, Poseidon, Zeus, Athena and a whole bunch of other greek and roman deities as well as a bunch of Egyptian Deities, Nordic Deities, and Japanese Kami ARE Pandora-Created Genus Loci.

Sure, maybe Bacchus is actually different than every single other mythological god figure world-wide.... but maybe he isn't.


This illustrates my point. Genius loci is an in-quest technical term used by Pandora herself to refer to one of the many species/breeds/races/"kinds" of supernatural being she created. Many of the genius loci are or have been worshiped as gods by known human civilizations.

We can draw a Venn diagram here. One circle contains the genius loci. A second circle cointains the "gods," in the sense of "intelligent beings of great supernatural power and unique immortal character that sets them above the common run of living beings." A third circle contains the "gods," in the sense of "intelligent beings of great supernatural power who at some time were worshipped by humans."

...

Some genius loci are gods in both the first and second senses. For example, Thor, though he's probably MIA since the Fade. Thus, they occupy all three circles.

Some genius loci are NOT gods in the second sense. For instance, the European 'succubi' attested to here, who were presumably never worshiped on any large scale.

Some genius loci may well not be gods in the first OR the second sense. Again, those succubi- it is unclear whether all of them were actually that powerful. It is not obvious that having a genius loci's magical metabolism inherently makes you powerful beyond the ken of vaguely-normalish mortals, even if you live a really long time.

Thus, the first circle is distinct from the third circle, and may be distinct from the second.

Sure, the children of the Genus Loci are also Thaumavore's, and the Succubi arose from the children of the Genus Loci.

But, your circles lead to some very not intended places. For example your third circle can include entities like Lich Ivan, who is an intelligent being of great supernatural power who has likely been worshiped by humans. Yet, referring to him as a God would likely be confusing in a conversation, if we asked how we would deal with the Russian God, people aren't going to assume we mean Lich Ivan.

And that is the SOLE difference you are using to seperare the second and third circles. Were they worshiped. Which could allow for a Genus Loci who absolutely is an "intelligent beings of great supernatural power and unique immortal character that sets them above the common run of living beings." (Which is true for, as far as we can tell, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF PANDORA'S CHILDREN) but who was less charismatic and didn't have the social circle of the other Genus Loci being separated from them as "not a god" because they don't fit into the third circle. Yet, you wouldn't say that a person who is popular and worshiped by a cult following like many cult leaders have been aren't still human.

And Naru only falls into this second circle, alongside Vampires, various depictions of werewolves, dragons, Oni, Yokai like Inuyasha or Samui... frankly, it is a borderline useless distinction because since Succubi are also Thaumavore's you could argue that potentially Naru is as much a Succubi or a Vampire as she is a Genus Loci.

I know these terms are innaccurate, but that is WHY I'm making sure to point out the inaccuracy. If we want to say Naru is an immortal and more powerful than human being who eats magic, and say that that makes her a Goddess, then we have to say that Succubi are Goddesses too, because they have the exact same qualifications.

It was a useful lie to not reveal Naru's true nature to Ami-no-Mizume, but it is not as useful as a way to consider Naru and her future development. If we want to refer to ALL immortal, powerful beings as Gods and Goddesses, we can, but it will certainly confuse the issue more than clarify it.


It is quite possible that some beings exist who are both 'gods' in the first sense (transcendent powerful nature) and in the second (objects of mortal worship), but who are not genius loci.

Yes, it is possible. But does that mean that we should, in discussing them, call them Gods? A Bazooka is a gun in that it is a weapon that fires a projectile at high speed and is used in modern warfare, but that doesn't mean we should refer to them as guns, as that could cause confusion. And so, is it causing more or less confusion to refer to Naru as a Goddess when she is only a goddess in terms of being powerful and potentially immortal and a Thaumavore? I think it has started causing more confusion, because we know have people talking about her developing as a Goddess, in that she is going to be like the Gods and Goddesses who are Genus Loci, and she isn't.


As such, it is not reasonable to be overly insistent on the idea that terms such as "goddess" and "deity" can apply only to the genius loci, and that everyone who uses those terms is implicitly making the assumption that everyone who uses those terms is in some kind of intellectual danger of deluding themselves into thinking that the person they're talking about is literally one of the genius loci.

For the dozen of times I ignored it, sure. Once we start talking about her "developing as a Goddess" it is worth pointing out that she ISN'T ONE. None of the Genus Loci likely went through physical alterations based on the life they created. None of them probably had the nature of their blood change from keeping a promise. She isn't developing as a Goddess, she is developing as the All-Mother, and I wanted to remind them of that.

I did not want to argue with you about saying that Naru is a Goddess from "a certain point of view".

I once cracked a joke in which Minako proclaims herself the goddess of "Love, War, and Shipping." I did not intend this joke to be interpreted as "Minako thinks she is one of the genius loci."

Figurative speech is a thing.

Please be less uptight about this.

Did you start talking about how Minako is developing as the Goddess of Love, War and Shipping? No? Then different thing. I'm not being uptight about this, I'm just getting frustrated about you trying to argue what was a very very simple point.

Naru is not a Goddess. She is not a Genus Loci. She is the All-Mother. An entirely different order of being. And since that started seeming to be getting confused, I wanted to step in and clarify.

Do you want to continue arguing that she is a Goddess because she is worshipped by humans? Then I'd like to see some proof.

Do you want to argue that she is a Goddess because she is very powerful and potentially immortal? Then do you think that we should refer to Inuyasha or Shippo as Gods?

If you don't want to take either of those paths... then all you are trying to argue is that it is impossible someone could get confused, and in that case is it really worth all this effort to try and force me to apologize for offering a simple clarification on something that everyone knows?

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It's quite easy.


I mean, I do get what you're saying about the difference in scales. It's just that... it's very easy to forget just how significantly humanity has altered the surface of our world.

Now do it without the lights. Which was my entire point. The Magellan castle likely wasn't lit up considering it had been turned off until the past year.

However, since I now know it is similar enough in size to Phobos, I can agree that it might have been spotted earlier if it was merely orbiting the planet without any sort of cloaking
 
We also have no reason to assume he ISN'T a Pandora-created Genus Loci. After all, Poseidon, Zeus, Athena and a whole bunch of other greek and roman deities as well as a bunch of Egyptian Deities, Nordic Deities, and Japanese Kami ARE Pandora-Created Genus Loci.

Sure, maybe Bacchus is actually different than every single other mythological god figure world-wide.... but maybe he isn't.
We have good reason to believe he is likely not a Pandora created Genius Loci. He might be but with our current understanding of the Silver Millenium timeline it would be very odd for a child of the person who acted as Serenity's Tour Guide and part of the reason Serenity wasn't supposed to go to Earth would also have Child who is an advisor to Selene and who regularly regaled Serenity with stories of what he has seen.
The moon is empty. There is no castle, there are no gardens. No carefree princess to tell stories of his journeys, no Queen to advise and if the moon is empty... then Jupit- all the rest will still be empty too.
 
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Well, isn't Makoto stuck living in Nerima anyway until we get in contact with her guardians?
Yes, but if we want to get her out of Nerima, then parking her new home in Nerima and relying on the Nerima weirdness censor is probably counterproductive.

We know that Genius Loci and Lilim are 2 different types of entities. Lilim can do thing like create Genius Loci and Youkai out of nowhere. Just because Ame no Uzume thinks she knows what's going and most of her advice helps Naru with her abilities doesn't mean that Ame no Uzume is correct and Genius Loci and Lilim are the same thing.
Ame no Uzume clearly knows that there is a difference between genius loci ("us," in her frame of reference) and Lilim, because she 'knows' that there are no surviving Lilim.

On the other hand, either:

1) Ame-no-Uzume knows (probably due to time travel shenanigans) that Naru is a Lilim and is pretending not to know for some reason, or
2) Everything Ame-no-Uzume knows that Naru has done is something that can be explained by Naru being a genius loci, or more specifically a "goddess of life."

We also have no reason to assume he ISN'T a Pandora-created Genus Loci. After all, Poseidon, Zeus, Athena and a whole bunch of other greek and roman deities as well as a bunch of Egyptian Deities, Nordic Deities, and Japanese Kami ARE Pandora-Created Genus Loci.

Sure, maybe Bacchus is actually different than every single other mythological god figure world-wide.... but maybe he isn't.
Well for starters- and this may be another one of those "size of Phobos" things you didn't know- even within Greco-Roman mythology, the figure of Dionysus is mythologized as a 'newcomer' to the pantheon, one who isn't quite the same as the others and doesn't quite fit with them. Bacchus being a different category of being than the other Roman gods would actually not surprise me very much.

I know these terms are innaccurate, but that is WHY I'm making sure to point out the inaccuracy. If we want to say Naru is an immortal and more powerful than human being who eats magic, and say that that makes her a Goddess, then we have to say that Succubi are Goddesses too, because they have the exact same qualifications.

It was a useful lie to not reveal Naru's true nature to Ami-no-Mizume, but it is not as useful as a way to consider Naru and her future development. If we want to refer to ALL immortal, powerful beings as Gods and Goddesses, we can, but it will certainly confuse the issue more than clarify it.
...You know what?

Lately you've been prepared to write at considerable length and with (by all signs) great passion about how much you want there to be struggle in this game, how you want the characters to sometimes have to fight hard, be in danger, rise above challenging circumstances.

This isn't me knocking that, by the way. I'm with you there, that's not the point.

...

But you know what I want to see, too?

Poetry.

Fantasy, perhaps above all other genres of fiction, lends itself to bringing us in touch with the poetic, the symbolic, the mythic. It is a genre where the metaphorical becomes literal. It is a genre where imagination and reality blur together. It is a genre where the act of keeping a promise can be as profoundly significant as the act of setting off an incendiary charge in the enemy's main ammunition stockpile.

A big fantasy crossover like this, especially one that touches on the heights of high fantasy with extraordinary magic powers and world-altering stakes, but also on much of what we now call "urban fantasy," about the intersection of magic with a recognizable reality that is akin to our own... A big fantasy crossover like this is a wonderful place to cultivate our often-stunted sense of the poetic. To encourage each other to speak imaginatively, to use tools of rhetoric and metaphor and emotion.

But as implied above, for us to have poetry, we have to have a certain respect for each other's ability to make use of metaphor. We have to be comfortable with it when another person says "let us make swords into plowshares," instead of pointing out that swords haven't been a relevant military weapon in hundreds of years, and for that matter plowshares are obsolete too. We have to be prepared to accept that someone talks about "the forces of darkness" even though the bad guys don't seem to be any more literally interested in night operations than we are, and are not working for a literal absence of light.

...

And so...

When someone jumps in to squash something that is literally incorrect but, and this is important, true in a poetic sense?

Sometimes, it strikes me as distasteful.

This is one of those times.

This is an Internet forum full of nerds. Most of us, in our secret hearts, cherish the distinction of "lorekeeper of the facts." Most of us like to be the one who remembers all the trivia and sets people straight when they mischaracterize some real or physical thing.

But sometimes that goes too far, and sometimes we hurt each other, or the quality of discourse among ourselves, in our desire to ensure that everyone around ourselves is factually correct.

I think you are pushing against that line.

Not out of malice. But perhaps out of an exaggerated sense of the importance of correcting everyone until they stop being wrong. Or perhaps out of something else. In any case, I do genuinely think it would be a good idea- not to ask you to apologize, but just to bear this in mind going forward, that not everything needs to be first nitpicked to death, then further bludgeoned by having the nitpicks themselves defended just in case someone says "well, this could be metaphorically true or things could be more complicated."

It's okay to let people be wrong or 'wrong' on the Internet; you are under no contractual obligation to police our word usage.

If you don't want to take either of those paths... then all you are trying to argue is that it is impossible someone could get confused, and in that case is it really worth all this effort to try and force me to apologize for offering a simple clarification on something that everyone knows?
Because I'm getting tired of people playing conversation police and justifying themselves with righteous concern that this time they had to step in, because "someone might misunderstand and get confused and make a mistake!" It's one thing when someone makes an objectively counterfactual statement ("night is black, white is day, Sailors Uranus and Neptune are just really close friends.") It's another matter when it's something that has a certain level of metaphorical validity to it and can be a useful tool for understanding reality, just not in the exact tone and choice of technical vocabulary favored by the quest's OCs.
 
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Alright, to attempt to present a different point of view...

At least in my particular opinion, Naru (as a Lilim) and Usagi (as a being with way more potential 'weight'), have by far *more* claim to the term 'goddess' than any of the genius loci. They can't even claim to have been there first. So why are we arguing that in a competition for the title, they get to have it but Naru and Usagi don't? After all, we've already established that 'genius loci' is actually their 'real' species name.

But really, I mostly think that this is a petty distinction that is absolutely not worth filling up entire pages of thread over.
 
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