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So with Russia being sanctioned in real life, do you think the EU and other countries could sanction Russia in universe to counteract foreign aggression?
Sanctioning of the Global Hegimon isn't something I've seen work, but then again I've never heard of something like that happen.

I'm thinking they tried...they really do, but a Unified Europe is currently very fragile given the Rumor Mill.

Rising, and Imposing yes. Being Active yes...but the Stability of such an alliance is...questionable.

An Alliance united in Hatred is a difficult thing to maintain.
 
So with Russia being sanctioned in real life, do you think the EU and other countries could sanction Russia in universe to counteract foreign aggression?
There's no reason they couldn't do that. The question then is, with the amount of client states and annexed territories Russia possesses in this timeline, would it matter in the slightest if they did? Sanctions only really have any effect if they meaningfully restrict trade for the nation, or they prevent economically vital goods from being imported/exported.
 
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So if we eventually invade Victoria, how should we account for the Vics potentially using human shields? If we get a decent airforce we can always do bombing runs and artillery strikes aim on unoccupied roads and train tracks, but then there's question of urban warfare, or whatever passes for urban in Victoria.
I think our choices will have to depend on the situation as it exists on the ground (we can't predict that), the munitions available to us (we can't predict that, either), and the exact scope and nature of our planned military operations (we can only barely predict that).

For instance, we make different choices if we have the means to air-drop precision munitions than if we don't. We make different choices if a hundred thousand soldiers armed by the Free City of New York are advancing alongside of us. And so on.

So with Russia being sanctioned in real life, do you think the EU and other countries could sanction Russia in universe to counteract foreign aggression?
In-universe, this tended to backfire for most of the mid-21st century, for the same reason that in real life 2020, sanctions on the United States would backfire.

Things may be different now, with Alexander IV's heir being less competent and with Russia having more, and proportionately stronger, opposition.
 
So if we eventually invade Victoria, how should we account for the Vics potentially using human shields? If we get a decent airforce we can always do bombing runs and artillery strikes aim on unoccupied roads and train tracks, but then there's question of urban warfare, or whatever passes for urban in Victoria.
We will likely do very few bombing runs during the next conflict. The victorian air force will get a significant upgrade in doctrine and capabilities trough Russian help, to the point it's potentially just a wing of the russian air force nominally commanded by Victoria. Artillery bombardment on infrastructure isn't very likely to be done often IMO, given the limited range of our (light to medium?) artillery.
The question of human shields - strangely enough, the next type of victorian doctrine might consider this ineffective. The next government of Victoria is going lead by Blackwell, who explains the catrastrophic failure of Victoria during the Erie war in an interesting way.
"With all respect Gabriel. You're wrong. What we need to talk about, is what Chicago really is.

Chicago is not decadent. They are not diseased and degenerate hedonists. They are a machine. A brutal amalgamation of cogs and pulleys and grinding steel teeth.

Our army died because the men in this very room believed that they would be fighting weak-willed liberal cuckolds, limp-dicked homosexuals, and shrewish women. Instead they fed themselves into the threshing maw of that damnable Red Army.

We misread their insistence on "defence in depth" and Third Generation techniques as a fear of fighting. But it was something else entirely, something Victoria has never fought before: a strategy of pure metal. A mind of metal rigidly calculating and grinding away behind the facade of Burns the Coward and his battalion of myrmidons.
Blackwell's explanation boils down to Chicago being an unfeeling machine, ready to sacrifice any number of soldiers, surpassing even Victoria in readiness for cruelty. This is a genuine believe of Blackwell, who is going to teach this myth to the rest of his staff and the lower ranks. If we approach a conflict from this angle, viewing ourselves as a quasi-hivemind dedicated to Victorian destruction, human shields are pretty ineffective. While they may view individual soldiers as being hesitant to kill human shields, they don't view our command as being slowed down by such a thing. I wouldn't be surprised if Victoria stopped using human shields in the conflict against us.
 
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On Japan: I am willing to believe that the average Japanese citizen barely tolerates the revanchist government and have no real love for the hideously expensive dual occupations of Korea and Cascadia.

I could see Tokyo and other major cities having daily protests, and all it would take is one good shove for the dissent to explode into a domestic insurgency.
 
On Japan: I am willing to believe that the average Japanese citizen barely tolerates the revanchist government and have no real love for the hideously expensive dual occupations of Korea and Cascadia.

I could see Tokyo and other major cities having daily protests, and all it would take is one good shove for the dissent to explode into a domestic insurgency.
Depends how effective the regime is at persecuting dissenters, upholding semi-decent living standards and marginalizing internal reformers. There have been highly authoritarian regimes that were fairly good at maintaining political stability for extended periods of time (Franco's Spain comes to mind). Given how they lasted for several decades in-universe now, I wouldn't bet on them being overthrown by a revolt, as desirable as that is. Open revolts tend to only succeed when the military doesn't want to stop the people, or is incapable of doing so (which generally requires a lot of foreign weapons/ significant military mutinies / a lot of defection to the revolting side). Given how the japenese military has been mentioned as quite involved in putting the current regime in power, I think they are putting a lot of effort into persecuting dissenters inside the military.
The central institutions survived, but they were crippled. In the chaos, the nationalists at last got their way, and either Akihito or Naruhito was put in formal power (with the, "loyal support," of the nationalist military)
However, with the Tsar now being less competent in general and at using soft power in particular, the Japanese are in a more precarious position. The Asian alliance they depend on will be more prone to fracturing without Alexanders subtle way of steering nations. Russia is also more likely to use blunt-force approaches to insurgencies in Asia, which generally tend to fail. So I could see a general weakening of the Japenese strategic positioning, followed by a weakened Japenese economy and declining living standards. The resulting political instability could very well lead to a different internal faction ascending to power which would result in vastly different policies, but that would take years to happen.
 
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So if we eventually invade Victoria, how should we account for the Vics potentially using human shields? If we get a decent airforce we can always do bombing runs and artillery strikes aim on unoccupied roads and train tracks, but then there's question of urban warfare, or whatever passes for urban in Victoria.

Probably the same thing we did during our raid on Buffalo. Something to keep in mind is that when human shields are coming up, it'll primarily be disruptive saboteurs and gunmen. That is, whenever Victoria has the infrastructure and spare hands in place to stop their civil war and deal with all the unrest that's been left to fester. Reminder that the majority of their population is either true believers, or people forced at gun point to be their labor force. The primary means of doing so has been used as enforcers of their front lines against the CMC by forcing the peasants to march to their deaths or be shot.

If they're still using similar tactics, snipers on the Inquisitors pointing rifles and pistols at their own men will break down their discipline and ensure chaos in their ranks, and cause massive amounts of surrenders or retreats from their grunts.

Before that, making good relations with the locals via the tried and true method of giving them food and showing them that we're not the devil, as well as giving them access to a better life in the Commonwealth. Letters, video recordings, cell phone calls, etc from living family members in Chicago detailing how much their life has improved will gut punch Victorian morale, which consists of people who have already missed a few harvests while we're increasing our quality of life each year.

That all said, if Russia invests heavily into Victorian infrastructure, that's all moot. It really depends on what Victoria looks like in a decade as we both race to build up our economies and militaries. Fortunately for us, their civil war and the peace treaty is giving us a hell of a head start.
 
If they're still using similar tactics, snipers on the Inquisitors pointing rifles and pistols at their own men will break down their discipline and ensure chaos in their ranks, and cause massive amounts of surrenders or retreats from their grunts.
Keep in mind that Victoria is extremely unlikely to use the Victorian militia extensively in future conflicts. The primary force used in the Battle of Detroit were trained, professional soldiers rather than the Victorian militia force. This militia force wasn't even formally part of their armed forces prior to the peace treaty, as shown in the Militia Clause.
Victoria will formally acknowledge that their militias, when mustered, are formally incorporated as part of their armed forces, and that Victoria itself bears responsibility for these militias' behavior and conduct on the battlefield. This will either force Victoria to undergo massive efforts to reform their militia system to Geneva compliance, or else accept a catastrophic burden of responsibility in the event of any muster of the militia.
The reason the militia was utilized in the civil war was that there simply weren't enough actual soldiers for the civil war, this has always been a desperate measure leading to a worsening food shortage. Given their presumably quite poor performance when compared to the Victorian regular troops, high command is unlikely to use them for something militarily important, since they are acutely aware of the Milita shortcomings.

Reading Blackwell's military analysis, he strongly emphasizes the need for reforming the doctrine to work against the "Machine State", along the lines of German Maneuver Warfare. As I understand it, this means using heavy armor, mechanizing & motorizing infantry and training troops together with their supporting arms (organic units). Militia don't really fit in this schema, especially militia from a rural, pre-industrial society with no experience operating machinery. I'm unsure to what extent Victoria might utilize partisan tactics, for which their militia are better suited. On the one hand, 4th generational warfare places a premium of operating like insurgencies and guerrillas, on the other hand, Blackwell thinks the morale impact doesn't apply while fighting us, therefore we are immune to 4th gen warfare. To be clear, partisans can still have a strong impact on logistics and bind troops to rearguard duties, but it's unclear to what extent the next form of Victorian doctrine recognizes this and how politically viable it is to use some partisan tactics rather than purge any commanders that suggests something of the old doctrine.
Before that, making good relations with the locals via the tried and true method of giving them food and showing them that we're not the devil, as well as giving them access to a better life in the Commonwealth. Letters, video recordings, cell phone calls, etc from living family members in Chicago detailing how much their life has improved will gut punch Victorian morale, which consists of people who have already missed a few harvests while we're increasing our quality of life each year.

That all said, if Russia invests heavily into Victorian infrastructure, that's all moot. It really depends on what Victoria looks like in a decade as we both race to build up our economies and militaries. Fortunately for us, their civil war and the peace treaty is giving us a hell of a head start.
The Victorian population around Buffalo seems to perceive us as more benevolent than Victoria. Significant numbers of Victorian refugees have been coming into our state, ever since we had the free migration clause. If you considered the other regime to be as bad as Victoria says, I don't think you would attempt to flee there. While the civil war is a factor here, I don't think we will see the refugee stream dry up once it ends. So, with many people of Victoria already living inside our borders, we can very easily disproof claims about how monstrous we are by simply publicly showing our efforts to support and integrate Victorian refugees into our society.
Russia will invest and the resulting development is very hard to foresee, since neither actor has a particularly stable government currently. Still, I think a population crisis for Victoria is quite likely.
 
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[X] Plan Arms and Departments, Talks and Training

[x] Buli-Buli Fall '76 v2

I think [ ] Coalition Talks sounds more urgent than [ ] State Integration Office. we really don't want our Coalition party to break up and this might be like a diplomacy option and has to be taken immediately or an opportunity, in this case, to mediate before it gets worse is lost.

buffalo cost us some support even if we won and this can help mend it

in short, I think [ ] Coalition Talks need to be taken now before it becomes a problem.
 
1) So how canon was an independent Poland?
2) I've had this idea that Victoria has a network of speakeasies where people can access stuff forbidden by retroculture.
 
1) So how canon was an independent Poland?
2) I've had this idea that Victoria has a network of speakeasies where people can access stuff forbidden by retroculture.
1) Quite canon, at least according to the last version of quest lore. Utterly battered and devastated, but still an independent government that is part of the EU.
Poland: Legends will be written of Poland. The only nation to survive the Collapse, maintain governmental continuity, and actively oppose Russia's expansion. The only nation to maintain the fighting for fifty long years. The nation that utterly destroyed itself trying — and largely failing — to keep the border from moving further west. Poland fed itself into the fires of intrigue trying to stop Russia's ambitions. The best that can be said is that they slowed Russia down, when dealing with nations directly bordering Poland. They did not fall, at least, and Alexander certainly intended for them to. But they did not fall. These days they are utterly incapable of fighting anymore. They are the front of the still-cold conflict with Russia, but have no capacity to participate. They have maintained membership in the EU, and now are completely dependent on it. They gave everything, and perhaps managed to give the rest of Europe time. They try to find that adequate consolation, as Germany steps past them into a leading role in Europe.
2) While something like this is imaginable, Victoria maintained considerable social control in the past trough the inquisitors and churches, plus a lot of indirect surveillance trough communities being motivated to "voluntarily" report such heinous crimes out of what is "genuine concern for moral purity" and most certainly not "fear of reprisals against this community for degeneracy", no mister inquisitor. Visiting something like this frequently and the Victorian state noticing is IMO almost certainly going to put you to a gulag in Northern Canada, if not outright shot. So while there would be incredibly sporadic useage among the lower classes, the most prominent users are IMO irreplaceable specialists and the politically connected, since they don't have to fear reprisal as much.
 
1) Quite canon, at least according to the last version of quest lore. Utterly battered and devastated, but still an independent government that is part of the EU.

2) While something like this is imaginable, Victoria maintained considerable social control in the past trough the inquisitors and churches, plus a lot of indirect surveillance trough communities being motivated to "voluntarily" report such heinous crimes out of what is "genuine concern for moral purity" and most certainly not "fear of reprisals against this community for degeneracy", no mister inquisitor. Visiting something like this frequently and the Victorian state noticing is IMO almost certainly going to put you to a gulag in Northern Canada, if not outright shot. So while there would be incredibly sporadic useage among the lower classes, the most prominent users are IMO irreplaceable specialists and the politically connected, since they don't have to fear reprisal as much.

I imagine that secrecy is maintained by having lots of people be involved, and if any one person gets incriminated, they can incriminate everyone else. Victoria can have the appearance of snuffing out seditious idea and materials save for the occasional raid for publicity.
 
I imagine that secrecy is maintained by having lots of people be involved, and if any one person gets incriminated, they can incriminate everyone else. Victoria can have the appearance of snuffing out seditious idea and materials save for the occasional raid for publicity.
That doesn't work after the first time there is a simultaneous execution of 300 or however much people were in it as a example.
 
The thing about speakeasies is that they work a lot better when the state isn't willing to just straight-up murder everyone vaguely associated with the speakeasy, often without trial.

Vick speakeasies are thus likely to be more accessible to the sort of people in Vick society who are privileged enough that the Inquisitors are willing to let them off with a warning or to leave them untouched because they play a role in maintaining the social order.

There's also a matter of degree. The Inquisitors will totally murderize you if they find out you've got a secret social media account and are in communication with 'dangerous foreign influencers,' but they might honestly not give a shit if it turns out all you do is play addicting browser games or listen to weird music.
 
So the war between the CFC and Victoria kind of predicted the war between Russia and the Ukraine, wherein a theoretically superior military is devastated because of poor doctrine and logistics.
 
It's times like this I remember that in Lind's original book, Russia was supposed to be the based and uncucked bastion of the Christian West.

Dunno how that's been working out for him.
 
I do wonder how common corruption and desertion is in the Victorian Army.
Depends on how you define corruption, because a lot of would normally be signs of corruption is actually signs of the Vick Army working as intended. And for desertion where are they going to desert to? New York possibly but they aren't going to start a fight of a deserter, The Arctic is well the Arctic plus is effectively months away at the quickest, California is the same as the Arctic but hot, the Klan would probably turn them over for guns, and everywhere else on the continent would probably do the same as the Klan but with a chance of lynching them first if they discover their a Vick.
 
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