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Depends on how you define corruption, because a lot of would normally be signs of corruption is actually signs of the Vick Army working as intended. And for desertion where are they going to desert to? New York possibly but they aren't going to start a fight of a deserter, The Arctic is well the Arctic plus is effectively months away at the quickest, California is the same as the Arctic but hot, the Klan would probably turn them over for guns, and everywhere else on the continent would probably do the same as the Klan but with a chance of lynching them first if they discover their a Vick.
I imagine desertion entails heading to parts unknown to be either a bandit or a mercenary. That would be an interesting modifier, Victorian soldiers and deserters both fighting over who gets to raid and pillage where.
 
I imagine desertion entails heading to parts unknown to be either a bandit or a mercenary. That would be an interesting modifier, Victorian soldiers and deserters both fighting over who gets to raid and pillage where.
Makes sense but why? If your willing to be a bandit it'll be easier, safer, prestigious, and likely much more profitable to stay Vick. And considering the Russian-Victorian arrangement going mercenary likely has a much easier and probably encouraged pipeline, since Vick soldier who isn't "in" to retro-culture but is competent and loyal enough to not be made a example of. Would be much more useful elsewhere and it's not like there aren't vast chunks of the Victoria government that are solely loyal to Russia.

Any desertion would probably be posthumous in the sense you would likely have to fact your own death to avoid the repercussions real or imagined. Through I could see seperate Vick units fighting each other over raid and pillaging rights even in the same division.
 
So they're effectively trapped within the system, forcing them to fight or die for it, even if they hate it. Working as intended, indeed.
 
I'm wondering what crazy and genius weapons have been made in this chaotic North America like, some militias and other groups in the real world have made propane ""mortars"" and rockets as there solution to needing to softening up the enemy.
 
I'm wondering what crazy and genius weapons have been made in this chaotic North America like, some militias and other groups in the real world have made propane ""mortars"" and rockets as there solution to needing to softening up the enemy.
HEHEHEHE....You want to know Crazy Improvised Weapons of questionable quality...

Look at The Troubles in Ireland as a blueprint and look at this Article first.

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Loyalist Arms - 5 Homemade Weapons From The Troubles » Reaper Feed

Homemade Loyalist Arms during the troubles ranged from pen guns and shipyard specials to shotguns made in prison and homemade Sten SMGs.

Now imagen the Desperation of People trying to defend and arm themselves against a nation who's ideology is built upon hatred, literally has no empathy or compassion for others outside themselves and promote the worse qualities in a human being.

Now imagen that in the GUN CULTURE level of Crazy of America.

YOU Will See things that even the Last Stand Weapons of World War 2 look well designed! Depending on the Area.

Its probably Funky!
 
Makes sense but why? If your willing to be a bandit it'll be easier, safer, prestigious, and likely much more profitable to stay Vick.
If you got caught sleeping with the CO's wife, it's time to head on out, no matter how hard life is going to get. Desertion isn't just a matter of principles, after all. If you stabbed your bullying NCO, if you got left alone with the company's payroll, if any number of things happen, staying in the army might just not be an option anymore.
 
If you got caught sleeping with the CO's wife, it's time to head on out, no matter how hard life is going to get. Desertion isn't just a matter of principles, after all. If you stabbed your bullying NCO, if you got left alone with the company's payroll, if any number of things happen, staying in the army might just not be an option anymore.
Fair points one and all. Especially since "Orc Snipers" are probably the listed cause of death of anyone who did the above and either couldn't get away or shift the blame.
 
Hmm, But back to the Topic of Desertion.

I'd truthfully think the leading cause of Desertion in the Modern Victorian Army is Lack of Food.

Think about it? They don't belive in Logistics and the Logistics guys that they do have are overworked.

So...why not allocate and starve certain parts of the Unit you don't like.
 
Hmm, But back to the Topic of Desertion.

I'd truthfully think the leading cause of Desertion in the Modern Victorian Army is Lack of Food.

Think about it? They don't belive in Logistics and the Logistics guys that they do have are overworked.

So...why not allocate and starve certain parts of the Unit you don't like.
Depends on what you mean by "modern."

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Before the Detroit War and the runup to it, the Victorian army spent most of its time spread out in packets of around 10-15 thousand men, tops, all of which were encouraged to pillage the countryside. Now, modern America is a land of lower agricultural surpluses than it was before the Collapse. But as a rule, if the unit is going to most places where people actually live, they're going to be able to 'solve' their food problems by demanding food at gunpoint, or simply killing people and taking their stuff.

Especially since pillaging the countryside, killing people who resisted having their food taken, and inflicting localized food shortages on any place where they stayed for very long were desirable effects from a Victorian standpoint, as opposed to something they were trying to minimize.

If a Victorian division prior to the Detroit War ever found itself with no food as the result of a command decision, the low-level officers probably just split their troops off and wandered 5-10 miles out of position to go steal food from locals who hadn't already been pillaged to death, without formally leaving the unit.

Remember, we're talking about an army of at most a couple of hundred thousand, spread out across a continental region with a population approaching a hundred million, with unlimited license to steal and kill.

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After the Detroit War, the Victorian army (or rather, the Victorian armed formations, the CMC and militia) have spent almost all its time in Victoria proper, fighting a civil war. They're taking food from the civilian population, and it is likely that one of the biggest positive incentives the CMC-Inquisitors and Blackwell are providing to their militia is that if you're in the militia, and maybe even if you have family in the militia, you'll get top priority for the limited rations that exist under conditions of famine. Once again, ability to steal food is pivotal to their ability to survive, and desertion would reduce their ability to steal food by divorcing them from the organization that gives them an unlimited license to do so.
 
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Depends on what you mean by "modern."

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Before the Detroit War and the runup to it, the Victorian army spent most of its time spread out in packets of around 10-15 thousand men, tops, all of which were encouraged to pillage the countryside. Now, modern America is a land of lower agricultural surpluses than it was before the Collapse. But as a rule, if the unit is going to most places where people actually live, they're going to be able to 'solve' their food problems by demanding food at gunpoint, or simply killing people and taking their stuff.

Especially since pillaging the countryside, killing people who resisted having their food taken, and inflicting localized food shortages on any place where they stayed for very long were desirable effects from a Victorian standpoint, as opposed to something they were trying to minimize.

If a Victorian division prior to the Detroit War ever found itself with no food as the result of a command decision, the low-level officers probably just split their troops off and wandered 5-10 miles out of position to go steal food from locals who hadn't already been pillaged to death, without formally leaving the unit.

Remember, we're talking about an army of at most a couple of hundred thousand, spread out across a continental region with a population approaching a hundred million, with unlimited license to steal and kill.

...

After the Detroit War, the Victorian army (or rather, the Victorian armed formations, the CMC and militia) have spent almost all its time in Victoria proper, fighting a civil war. They're taking food from the civilian population, and it is likely that one of the biggest positive incentives the CMC-Inquisitors and Blackwell are providing to their militia is that if you're in the militia, and maybe even if you have family in the militia, you'll get top priority for the limited rations that exist under conditions of famine. Once again, ability to steal food is pivotal to their ability to survive, and desertion would reduce their ability to steal food by divorcing them from the organization that gives them an unlimited license to do so.
Their basically acting like mercenaries in the thirty years war right down to how they supply themselves
 
I'm saying Modern as in Post-Detroit War current Civil War Military.
See my previous analysis.

Factoring in the Civil War, slow Famine and the fact their Agricultural population is at war and not producing Food.
You're only thinking about the first-order effects, not the second-order effects. Yes, food is scarce in Victoria. Yes, they are fighting a civil war.

From this, you reason "and therefore, the army will have no food and soldiers will regularly desert for lack of food."

This reminds me of the times you reasoned "disruption of industrial technology means that the Commonwealth will have lost the technology to make guns of any kind, and since we've never been explicitly told the Commonwealth has blackpowder weapons, and therefore we're presumably fighting this war with bows and arrows," and also "people moving messages around promotes interaction and the Russians want America fragmented, and therefore there is a vast network of heroic postal workers spreading messages around despite like 90% of them being killed along with their families within five years of starting the job."

Remember the part where, after a situation arises, people react rationally to that situation, often before the obvious consequence has even happened, precisely because they wish to avoid or modify that consequence

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For example, in this case, Blackwell knows that food is very scarce in Victoria. He knows that no one will fight in an army that has no food. He is not a fool, and he is a competent general.

Furthermore, he has the full support of the CMC Inquisitors, a skilled secret police force. Now, the Inquisitors are not great warriors or generals; in fact, they're kind of ass at both of those. However, they are skilled bureaucrats and people-watchers, good at keeping track of groups, and good at upholding and maintaining the loyalty of key people the state needs, often by exploiting or hurting some minority group that is less valuable to them. Because all of that is the literal job of a secret police force, and the Inquisitors are pretty good at their jobs.

What does Blackwell do, knowing that food shortages are about to become a problem, and that he must maintain his army in the field at all costs or he will personally be deposed and murdered by the Crusaders?

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The obvious move is for him to:

1a) Confiscate whatever food can be found within the country, stealing it if necessary, or
1b) Controlling access to food he can purchase from outside the country (e.g. the food we're selling to him at extortionate prices)
2) With a certain amount of food in hand, Blackwell then directs all of this food, or as much of it as needed, to people he needs loyal.
3a) First priority is the Inquisitors themselves, and any other key state personnel.
3b) Second priority is the army.
3c) Third priority is the family of the army.
3d) Last priority is literally everyone else.

This creates a situation where if you are a militiaman drafted into fighting for Blackwell, you know you're fighting tough enemies under bad conditions and may well die, but importantly, at least your family is guaranteed food, as long as there's any food at all. And if you desert, not only will the secret police (who have a reputation for omniscience and cruelty) hunt you down like a dog and kill you slowly, but your family will go from having FIRST priority among Victorian civilians for food, to having LAST priority. As in, the secret police will kick down your family's doors, steal all their food, give it to the families of the soldiers who didn't desert, then menace and discourage anyone from supplying them with more food.

While this kind of situation doesn't ensure that no desertions occur, it does mean that the food situation for a Victorian militia conscript is much worse after defection than before. Before defection, they have the assurance that the government will at least try to feed them, and will abstain from stealing food from their families. After defection, they have no such assurance and the government will be actively trying to kill them and starve their family.

Which doesn't mean no desertion, but does mean "not much."

the witch will be an issue for years to come until they stabilize. Sir/Ma'm/They.
In my case, the deliberate choice of a male-gendered screenname is a reflection of my being accustomed and happy with he/his pronouns.
 
Sorry been trying to be more aware online.

Thank you for the analysis.
I mean, it's reasonable. You're being responsible. We don't talk often. I'm not complaining.

Speaking as a male math teacher, I get misgendered at least once or twice a month purely on reflex by students who are instinctively calling any teacher "Miss _________" on sheer elementary school reflex, so it's not like I'm ever gonna get huffy about things. :p
 
mean, it's reasonable. You're being responsible. We don't talk often. I'm not complaining.
Well, if we have the time...wanna make an Omake?

A little comedy sketch in my head involving Airplane development and the absurdity of Ace Combat Plane designs and some people wanting it to be real and not knowing its a money sink.

Or something you've had an idea about?

Since we're talking now.
 
Well, if we have the time...wanna make an Omake?

A little comedy sketch in my head involving Airplane development and the absurdity of Ace Combat Plane designs and some people wanting it to be real and not knowing its a money sink.

Or something you've had an idea about?

Since we're talking now.
I've got enough stuff on my plate at the moment including omake projects, someone who wants me to help with their own omake project, and actual real life that I don't think I'm really up for it, practically speaking. :(
 
God, how do I even write a story where Russia has usurped the world order with a straight face anymore? Almost having a crisis of confidence here.

(Kinda just whispering, "Alexander had enough loyalists in the military to unfuck things survivably," to myself.)
 
God, how do I even write a story where Russia has usurped the world order with a straight face anymore? Almost having a crisis of confidence here.

(Kinda just whispering, "Alexander had enough loyalists in the military to unfuck things survivably," to myself.)
Wasn't there some implication that the point of departure may have been earlier in the 21st century, or earlier still, than we thought?

Maybe this timeline's iteration of Russia just wasn't as fucked up as OTL's, even at its worst.

Umm, Boss you're doing great.

Now I'm just using the "Alex used the ensuring power vacuum from the Failure of the Ukraine War to take power for himself and crush all his rivals in a short Civil War."
Actually, the point of departure for this timeline is, at latest, some time in the late 2010's when Trump managed to fuck up the US economy by sending the government into default or something.

The Russo-Ukrainian War probably never happened as historical, and in this timeline Ukraine probably never got most of the infusion of weapons and supplies that helped it bulk up and operate at the full effect we are now seeing.
 
The Russo-Ukrainian War probably never happened as historical, and in this timeline Ukraine probably never got most of the infusion of weapons and supplies that helped it bulk up and operate at the full effect we are now seeing.
Welp...Zelensky became a martyr for the EU and the Survivors in this timeline.

The first of many.

*Sheds single tear for the Fallen Ukrainians*
 
Welp...Zelensky became a martyr for the EU and the Survivors in this timeline.

The first of many.

*Sheds single tear for the Fallen Ukrainians*
The point of departure is before Zelensky was elected president. Since he was something of a dark horse candidate (he played on TV a teacher who became president of Ukraine after a video of him ranting about corruption went viral, and then he went viral and became president in real life)...

It is at least conceivable that many of the circumstances of his election, or of Ukrainian history in general post-2016-or-so, could have been butterflied.
 
It is at least conceivable that many of the circumstances of his election, or of Ukrainian history in general post-2016-or-so, could have been butterflied.
Indeed that may be the case.

But I'm still hoping that the changes are something I can at least recognize?

Speaking of witch? Where was the discussion on the POD? I want to re read that to brush up.
 
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