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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Jyn Ryvia said:
There is a joke about crushed granny pelvis in there.

But leaving it as implied is probably even worse :):V:V
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The funny thing is that the granny is probably the one who'd be most likely to catch up, if her bones weren't creaking so much. I hope she's having a nice vacation in Erengrad or something. She deserves it.
 
pucflek said:
Because it doesn't need to be maintained. Ancient Widow literally led people here to establish some great magical miracle that presumably empowers her and ties her to Kislev itself. It might be amassing magical energy at the heart of her realm as some sort of a sacrifice or empowering ritual that runs in perpetuity. Or it doesn't even lead to Praag but even further north to some different lynchpin (or only slightly more North, Praag is pretty fucking far from Kislev City)
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If the leyline doesn't go to Praag, but instead to some random location in Eastern Kislev, then this entire discussion is meaningless because it means my theory is wrong.

If it does go to Praag, and it doesn't link to the Fire Spire, then I'm confused because why else build a mages guild for magical experimentation there? It would mean they were either blind to the power, or unable to touch the power, and if it was the latter that means the power was protected—but by who? By the Ice Witches who turned their back on the entire city and condemned it? By the Hags that only enter the city if they have no other option? You don't ignore something like that, especially if the Widow is active enough to actually speak through an Ice Witch whilst in the middle of the Chaos Wastes—she would have informed her followers to take and guard the waystone, not abandon it in the middle of the most cursed city in the world. And if the Ancient Widow has left the source of her power—the very miracle that empowers both Ice Magic and Winter through the land—completely unguarded in a place where it routinely rains blood, then... I can't even comprehend the foolishness that would require.

Like, there's literally a prophecy that ice magic is in danger of being tainted—why would anybody leave such a vital weakness unguarded, let alone the Goddess of Ice Magic?

The third option is that the Fire Spire is built on top of the waystone, and the power is still being drawn and used by something—because where else could it go? The only directions it could flow are to the northwest, where it would wrap back round into the main flow through Kislev city, to the east where Vlag spent a few centuries not existing, or south back into Kislev City where it came from, and we know it's not the last one because Mathilde would have seen it.
 
Codex said:
Mathilde and her classic "we all need to work together" speech attempting to hide the fact that she's trying to make connections so her project gets more support. She's not lying per se, but she's certainly not telling the whole of it. I'm quite certain it is considered pretty rude to tell someone right out that you're helping them out to recieve favors.
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While I enjoy your reactions I disagree here. For the purposes of favours, Mathilde accomplished that when she identified it as a Kislev problem. Thus her "we all need to work together speech" is quite accurate.
 
DragonParadox said:
The fact that it is a ritual known by the colleges. I do not think Teclis would have had any reason to know rituals that can be used by single use casters given that he was himself a high mage.
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Isn't high magic taught at Hoeth to mages who have already mastered the 8 Winds?

Besides knowing about magic is sort of the point of Loremasters of Hoeth - unlike the Colleges who started more military oriented and then branched out into civil pursuits the Tower is primarily an academic institution.
 
Zero Gravitas said:
Isn't high magic taught at Hoeth to mages who have already mastered the 8 Winds?

Besides knowing about magic is sort of the point of Loremasters of Hoeth - unlike the Colleges who started more military oriented and then branched out into civil pursuits the Tower is primarily an academic institution.
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It is but rituals are horrifically dangerous to any and all people. I do not think the elves would teach them to any who are not magic specialists, and to their minds those are the archmages.
 
VoiceOfTheRiders said:
While I enjoy your reactions I disagree here. For the purposes of favours, Mathilde accomplished that when she identified it as a Kislev problem. Thus her "we all need to work together speech" is quite accurate.
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I said it's accurate. She's not lying, of course she's not. It's also not the full truth, because she literally says this:
Boney said:
"I'm still deciding that. This is an opportunity to make friends, but who with? The first possibility is the Tsarevich, who wanted to host the Waystone Project in the first place because he didn't think he'd see any benefits from it unless he did so. This could be a way to demonstrate that I'd be a good friend for him to have even if I wasn't living in his back pocket.

"Second is the Ice Witches. They're on the outs with the Tzar, but the Boyars still hold them in high esteem, which means that they'd be the ones the local Boyar would be relying on to make sense of the troubles in the Shirokij Forest. I've worked with them before, and I've been thinking of trying to bring them into the Waystone Project.

"Third is the local leaders of the settlements actually within the Shirokij. Even more than most Kislevite stanitsas, the forest stanitsas are very reliant on Hag Witches to placate the local spirits, and they're right in the middle of all of this. Hag Witches are said to know a great deal about pacifying the spirits of the land and cleansing the taint of Chaos. If that involves Waystone, great, and if it doesn't, then they're somehow able to do the same thing that Waystones do."
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She quite literally says that this is an opportunity to make friends and then lists a bunch of options and includes how useful they might be for the Waystone Project. I mean, I'm not saying she's being super duplicitous or anything, everyone has an agenda and ulterior motives are everywhere, and it's not evil to have them. She's working for the safety of the world, and she's definitely not lying when she's talking about the "everyone should be working together" speech. It just so happens that that's not the only reason she came here.
 
Personal suspicion: the leyline going to Praag isn't a deliberate Chaos plot that's harnessing all the Dhar it can pull in, but whatever it's doing - probably something Fire Spire related - the ambient side effects are aggravating the corruption and curses, significantly slowing down the recovery and purification.
 
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Codex said:
I said it's accurate. She's not lying, of course she's not. It's also not the full truth, because she literally says this:

She quite literally says that this is an opportunity to make friends and then lists a bunch of options and includes how useful they might be for the Waystone Project. I mean, I'm not saying she's being super duplicitous or anything, everyone has an agenda and ulterior motives are everywhere, and it's not evil to have them. She's working for the safety of the world, and she's definitely not lying when she's talking about the "everyone should be working together" speech. It just so happens that that's not the only reason she came here.
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I misread your earlier post as "I'm quite certain it is considered pretty rude to NOT tell someone right out that you're helping them out to recieve favors." and took issue with that. Entirely my bad.
 
Nerdasaurus Rex said:
If it does go to Praag, and it doesn't link to the Fire Spire, then I'm confused because why else build a mages guild for magical experimentation there? It would mean they were either blind to the power, or unable to touch the power, and if it was the latter that means the power was protected—but by who? By the Ice Witches who turned their back on the entire city and condemned it? By the Hags that only enter the city if they have no other option? You don't ignore something like that, especially if the Widow is active enough to actually speak through an Ice Witch whilst in the middle of the Chaos Wastes—she would have informed her followers to take and guard the waystone, not abandon it in the middle of the most cursed city in the world. And if the Ancient Widow has left the source of her power—the very miracle that empowers both Ice Magic and Winter through the land—completely unguarded in a place where it routinely rains blood, then... I can't even comprehend the foolishness that would require.
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The very some Fire Spire info quote that says Ice Witches are no longer welcome says that there is something, perhaps even Ancient Widow herself, dwelling in its depths and protecting it. (Which is another riff at possibility of Arianka being there, but, you know, it could be the Widow too :V)
 
[X] Contact Ostermark
Bringing in a second army with 10000 men is game changing in a way the other options aren't. Also may lead to a better relationship between Ostermark and Kislev.
[ ] Bring in Ice Witches
Tempting, but not as game changing as a second army and we don't have leyline magic we need to counter.
[ ] Find the Boyar
Would be good to know why Athel Loren forces are here so we can predict their reaction, but again not as game changing as a second army.
 
My initial thought is that the magic isn't flowing from Erengrad --> Kislev --> Praag and terminating, but instead going from Erengrad --> Kislev --> Praag --> Erengrad in a loop, being used up along the way and generally empowering the three cities of Kislev.
 
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