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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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DragonParadox said:
We do not really know, though it seems unlikely. Tylos was inhabited by dwarfs and humans and for humans to have even gotten there it has to be founded after the War of the Beard ended the Golden Age. Odds are by then the dwarfs will have forgotten how to make waystones, if indeed they were even able to make them without elf aid, which unlike the reverse is not 100% proven, just inferred by the existence of Karak Waystones
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At least according to the Skaven timeline, there were humans there as early as -2500, and the destruction of Tylos was in -1780.

Which makes sense, given the Skaven are one of the causes of the Time of Woes in -1500.

Humans lived in the area of Tilea before they lived in the Reik Basin, seems like.
 
Blessings that we were here to give some info before the Kislevites charged into a trap.
There could've been a lot of lives lost... still can be, but this time the outcome isn't so certain.
 
[] Bring in the Kreml Guard
Tsarevich Boris is leading the Kreml Guard, but they are travelling on foot on a dirt road and may not arrive in time for the battle. Kislev's forces actually having infantry would be helpful for a battle in a forest. Use Rite of Way to speed their journey.
[] Bring in Ice Witches
Currently, the only Ice Witch that is likely to be present for the battle is Milica. If you travel to Kislev City, you could bring in additional Ice Witches on Shadowsteeds. Milica says there are at least two and perhaps as many as five Ice Witches in Kislev City that would be able to respond and could meaningfully contribute to a battle.
 
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pucflek said:
[X] Bring in the Kreml Guard
Tsarevich Boris is leading the Kreml Guard, but they are travelling on foot on a dirt road and may not arrive in time for the battle. Kislev's forces actually having infantry would be helpful for a battle in a forest. Use Rite of Way to speed their journey.
[X] Bring in Ice Witches
Currently, the only Ice Witch that is likely to be present for the battle is Milica. If you travel to Kislev City, you could bring in additional Ice Witches on Shadowsteeds. Milica says there are at least two and perhaps as many as five Ice Witches in Kislev City that would be able to respond and could meaningfully contribute to a battle.
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We need infantry. Also it would just be so freaking badass if we lead an all infantry force walking rodiculously quickly in a road of rolling fog.

Gandalf might have the highground, dawn, and cavalry reinfrcements, but Mathilde with have a creepy infantry force walking through forests as if they were paved road.
 
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You know the simplest thing the fey could be doing with a turned off Waystone is denying its power to the Ice witches, I mean we know Ice magic has something to do with the stones right? So maybe turning it off makes the Land weaker, something that would be very important to the fey as the are almost as weak to the grip of winter as they are to fire.
 
Boney said:
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A productive meeting.

You spend the rest of the day trying and failing to find a way to expand that single sentence into something that justifies an entire paper on the subject, and eventually conclude that you might be able to accomplish it if you're able to personally witness the effect the charge has on sufficiently varied foes.
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A fascinating phenomenon, but of little practical value.

Milica speaks again. "It is a trap," Loza translates, "but it is a trap for a mouse, and a bear is about to step in it."
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The bear should perhaps consider why an Athel Loren warhost wants this particular mouse dead. And is willing to trespass on Winter's territory to achieve it.

"We do not have islands of civilization in an ocean of trees and beasts. We do not accept entire realms of enemies within what we call our borders. This is our land. All of it, our land. They must die for stepping upon it."
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While a nice patriotic statement that doesn't make using cavelry in a forest any less tactically unsound, however.
 
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Boney said:
Milica groans and asks something that sounds rather strained, and the Boyar nods and replies in Kislevarin, and the Boyar looks even more concerned at her next words. "She says it is like if you hoped the Tzar would send an extra rota, and then three pulks and the Kreml Guard arrive. Do you know something that Kislev does not?"

Ljiljana must have really talked you up to her fellows. "The force moving through the Shirokij is using magic to shield itself from direct observation, but I have been able to pierce it for long enough to identify their origin. It is a warhost from Athel Loren."
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We love you too Granny Winter!

I do find it hilarious that whenever Mathilde shows up to a place where people have met her before it's not the typical "Oh no, a Grey Wizard!" paranoia. Rather it's "Oh no they sent Mathilde, this is going to be so much worse."

*Mathilde shows up*

Local acquaintance: What is it now!? Skaven!? Chaos!? Vampire conspiracy ring?! Tax evasion!? Overdue library book!?

Mathilde: Well no, but yes.

Ranald: *laughs*
 
Mopman43 said:
At least according to the Skaven timeline, there were humans there as early as -2500, and the destruction of Tylos was in -1780.

Which makes sense, given the Skaven are one of the causes of the Time of Woes in -1500.

Humans lived in the area of Tilea before they lived in the Reik Basin, seems like.
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It conflicts quite badly with the rest of the time line, so my personal headcanon is that Tylos was a collaborative community between dwarves and a race of taller thinner people that was overrun by rats, and that event was recorded on decaying wall murals and mosaics found when humans settled Tilea from the south and east.

However, given humans hadn't arrived yet, said taller thinner people were elves, who we know shared their Old World cities with the hill dwarves and built spectacular architecture together. However; to those humans seeing the decayed images the thought of elves and dwarves living together was unimaginable, as they'd never known the elder races before the War of the Beard, so they assumed that the non-dwarves were humans.

Of course, that's probably not quest canon, as Boney has humans in the Old World a lot earlier than many other sources suggest.
 
My hope for the waystone interlude was checking the stone in Kislev City, maybe even the flow from Praag and other directions. Beyond that, pulling the plug was good trick when it was novel, but overall, I'm not comfortable with Mathilde going around and approaching the various waystone-related groups with "Have you tried turning it off and on again?"
 
Alratan said:
It conflicts quite badly with the rest of the time line, so my personal headcanon is that Tylos was a collaborative community between dwarves and a race of taller thinner people that was overrun by rats, and that event was recorded on decaying wall murals and mosaics found when humans settled Tilea from the south and east.

However, given humans hadn't arrived yet, said taller thinner people were elves, who we know shared their Old World cities with the hill dwarves and built spectacular architecture together. However; to those humans seeing the decayed images the thought of elves and dwarves living together was unimaginable, as they'd never known the elder races before the War of the Beard, so they assumed that the non-dwarves were humans.

Of course, that's probably not quest canon, as Boney has humans in the Old World a lot earlier than many other sources suggest.
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What source says that humans weren't down in Tilea then? Maybe the bit from Tome of Salvation, but that's a clear piece of Empire-supremacism, it's hardly un-biased.
 
Angelform said:
A fascinating phenomenon, but of little practical value.
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An elf or dwarven Livijg Ancestor interacting with humans might find it useful.

Perhaps there are elven psychohistorians manipulating the evolution of Marienberg's symbols and traditions to produce desirable outcomes right now…

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What source says that humans weren't down in Tilea then? Maybe the bit from Tome of Salvation, but that's a clear piece of Empire-supremacism, it's hardly un-biased.
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IIRC Heirs to Sigmar also mentions when first contact when dwarves and humans occurred, and I think there are some other references about the first humans who inhabited Tilea coming after the elves and learning from abandoned elven ruins post-War of the Beard.

It's not just about humans in Tilea, but humans sharing a city with dwarves in Tilea before the Karaz Ankor had encountered humans for the first time.
 
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[X] Bring in the Kreml Guard
[X] Find the Boyar
[X] Investigate the missing leyline

Can't decide between finding the Boyar and checking out the leyline. Both are potentially wastes of time, but both could give us vital information. I might end up dropping one of them, especially if it looks like both are going to win.
 
Alratan said:
An elf or dwarven Livijg Ancestor interacting with humans might find it useful.

Perhaps there are elven psychohistorians manipulating the evolution of Marienberg's symbols and traditions to produce desirable outcomes right now…



IIRC Heirs to Sigmar also mentions when first contact when dwarves and humans occurred, and I think there are some other references about the first humans who inhabited Tilea coming after the elves and learning from abandoned elven ruins post-War of the Beard.
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Settra conquered up to the Black Mountains, it's not possible for that to have been the first actual meeting between Men and Dwarfs.

Just between the tribes that would go on to form the Empire.
 
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