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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Glau said:
I don't think this is fear mongering. This is trying to work out what the plan is. The Liber mortis doesn't have partially omniscient people looking for it in a way that can just ignore all our wards and precautions- god-imprints I would bet are watched much more closely. And, ya know, this is personal to then instead of just another evil artifact.

So, I think this is a question of how long we can keep this secret. And the consequences of it not being secret have been laid out.

How do you intend to deal with them when the bill comes due?

Abandon K8P and the waystone project and become a black magister? Throw ourselves on the mercy of the emperor? Try to push the colleges into backing us up, and provoke a split between the cults and the colleges?

What is your damage mitigation plan for when the inevitable happens?
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I too did not think it was fearmongering to call the politics of the imperial court deadly dull and to paint Hedi as a borderline monster who would try to use us against other high nobles, in hindsight it really was.

I think we can keep our secret to the grave or the end of the world whichever comes sooner, sadly I think it will be the latter. That is what the Grey College is about.
 
Also it should be noted the god prints will have the magical density of holy water, that most ubiquitous of divine manifestations, for a god it would be like looking for a bight blue grain of sand... in the Sahara.
 
Glau said:
I don't think this is fear mongering. This is trying to work out what the plan is. The Liber mortis doesn't have partially omniscient people looking for it in a way that can just ignore all our wards and precautions- god-imprints I would bet are watched much more closely. And, ya know, this is personal to then instead of just another evil artifact.
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Consider we looted an entire shrine without a care. Consider plenty of people happily sack temples, steal or destroy artifacts of other gods without consequence. Consider how much less blatant using AV is than any of the above.
 
Glau said:
I don't think this is fear mongering. This is trying to work out what the plan is. The Liber mortis doesn't have partially omniscient people looking for it in a way that can just ignore all our wards and precautions- god-imprints I would bet are watched much more closely. And, ya know, this is personal to then instead of just another evil artifact.

So, I think this is a question of how long we can keep this secret. And the consequences of it not being secret have been laid out.

How do you intend to deal with them when the bill comes due?

Abandon K8P and the waystone project and become a black magister? Throw ourselves on the mercy of the emperor? Try to push the colleges into backing us up, and provoke a split between the cults and the colleges?

What is your damage mitigation plan for when the inevitable happens?
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I wouldn't say it's inevitable we'll get caught. Definitely possible, maybe even likely if we go after big artefacts to copy from, but the main dangerous point is going to be the actual moment of contact and copying. Once we've gotten away with a sample... well, it's still not going to be completely safe, but the odds of being discovered are probably pretty low at that point.

(speaking as a Faith voter, here)
 
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Abhorsen said:
If Ranald knows what we are doing, why not just tell him? That's how trust is built and not violated.
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We don't know if he knows.
We can talk to him regardless of which option we choose.

"Sacrifice to him" is not the same as "tell him" or even "ask whether he is okay with it". It goes much beyond that.
Lurker of Urk said:
A divinely blessed item is powered by a god but only contains the structure of a single specific effect. There is no way to learn anything from the item - Mathilde tried that already, the item itself was inherently too complex for her to understand due to the absurd complexity of divine magic, and using the item as a signpost towards the god itself for observation got her the "Please don't" note.

The crystals use the natural properties of divine energy to grow a picture of the entire god. Mathilde can look as much as she likes without losing her sanity by interacting too closely with the divine.
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I'm not sure what you are trying to argue here or how it relates to the discussion.

The point of discussion, as I understand it:
Should Mathilde continue to touch [objects bearing a divine signature] with AV so that the AV takes on that [divine signature], and then capture the resulting transformed AV with a crystal?

As I understand it, this task does not require a specific degree of complexity in the objects. It just needs to carry a divine charge.
Additionally, we would want to test this with as many items of as many gods as is feasible, not just redo the same thing with the Coin again and again.

The "picture of the entire god" thing seems to be conjecture at this point. All we know is that it reminds Mathilde of the god it is based on.

Again, could you please explain what you were trying to say? I didn't get it.
 
Right. Ok. So there is no plan, just an assumption that the gigantic risks which have been noted aren't actually risks we need to worry about.

Great.
 
Glau said:
Right. Ok. So there is no plan, just an assumption that the gigantic risks which have been noted aren't actually risks we need to worry about.

Great.
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Glau said:
Right. Ok. So there is no plan, just an assumption that the gigantic risks which have been noted aren't actually risks we need to worry about.

Great.
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Glau when your concerns are nebulous and not grounded in specifics what exact plan were anticipating? The risks are on acquisition of the prints. So theres nothing to plan beyond how we do that.

I mean what youve just said is both fascile and pretty misleading.
 
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