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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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@DragonParadox, now that Lya has the necessary spark to create the Fire Elemental Forge, would it be possible to simply hold onto it for a short while, postponing construction of the Forge until new wardstones are ready?
 
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Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Jul 24, 2021 at 6:54 AM, finished with 42 posts and 12 votes.
  • [X] In Hinterlands of Mantarys to take advantage of the nearby Valyrian flames eventually
    -[X] Assign one of the wards in standby to protect the Forge until greater protection can be arranged
    [X] In Mantarys to take advantage of the nearby Valyrian flames eventually
    [X] In Hinterlands of Mantarys to take advantage of the nearby Valyrian flames eventually
    [X] In Sorcerer's Deep for better security
    [X] In the Stepstones for security
    [X] Saltcliff, deep within a cleared out salt mine.
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Part MMMDCCCLIX: Of Scattered Gold
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    • Of Scattered Gold ​

    Twenty-Fourth Day of the Eleventh Month 294 AC

    The pile of papers on your desk is growing ever larger, for all there isn't yet one from the far reaches of Draconys yet. First there is the Oldtown Mirror, by far the most polished of the new publications, the work of maesters with an inclination to the written word and a desire to have their voices heard. The opening edition strikes a delicate balance between thanking Lord Hightower and the local Inquisition for 'dealing with the unfortunates touched by the terrors of the depths in an even handed away' and being not so subtly glad that the most mutated had been brought to Qohor along with Qyburn himself. Unsurprisingly you find that the former Seneschal is not that well liked among his once-colleagues, a fact which Marwyn uses to make himself seem more acceptable, or at the very least the lesser of two evils.

    Curiously you note that he had authored a piece himself. 'Critical thoughts for the Common Man'... By the time you are done reading you shake your head and sigh. He had let a bit too much contempt for the readers seep through. For all his other skills the Archmaester of Magic would make a truly terrible educator of the basics in... well, anything you suspect.

    By contrast the Tyrosh Tribune lives up to its name, in the most archaic connotation, of being willfully identified as the voice of 'the people', freedmen and free thinkers, what the magisters across half a continent would call the hoi poloi, though for all its daring ideas it is fiercely pro-Imperial. You cannot say if that is actual conviction or the editors cloaking themselves in loyalty to the throne in order to avoid the worst of the criticism that is sure to come their way. For your part you wish them well, the realm could use more of a lean to change and as the saying goes in the Reach, 'better to restrain the eager charger than prod the reluctant mule.'

    Speaking of mules you had been more worried about Greyport than any of the other cities, given its young and inexperienced duke, a foreigner among a people who might still count themselves conquered however those fears proved unfounded, as the paper called simply the West Herald is scrupulous about avoiding contentious topics. It's pages are filled with the humdrum of local affairs.

    Local Papers:
    • Oldtown: 43 (Success)
    • Tyrosh: 75 (Success)
    • Greyport: 83 - 5 (Failed action last turn) = 78
    Alas, the world is not inclined to cater to the inclination of the editors. Long articles about the new aqueducts and changes in the tax law have been overshadowed of late by a conflict that has its roots in the old Lannister rule, but not in a way that one can solve with a call to the Lawwen or the Inquisition. By long tradition, and you suspect even longer nepotism, certain guilds in the city were exempt from peacetime taxation, chief among them the gold and silver smiths, but also the vintners, the glass blowers and the weavers.

    Some of the richer guilds were able to weather the transition to imperial taxation well enough, take advantage of the sudden erasure of borders and tariffs to grow in prosperity. The latter two guilds, the glass blowers and weavers, were not so fortunate, suddenly thrust into direct competition with Riverlander weaving and glass from Myr and the rest of the Free Cities dozens of masters suddenly found themselves facing the grim specter of bankruptcy. In other parts of the realm the micro-credits of the Iron Bank would have helped smooth over matters, but between the perception of Greyport as a haven for traitors and the fact that the most influential people in both guilds are actually connected to the former Lannisters of Lannisport there would be no loans forth coming for most of those in need.

    Crowds have gathered before the City Courthouse before the Circle of Battle and before Theon's own townhouse protesting their injustice and demanding a return to the old tax laws. This is of course not only beyond local authorities, but utterly impractical, yet something must be done.

    How do you react to the unrest in Greyport?

    [] Implement some form of tax break

    [] Lean on the Iron Bank to get more loans through

    [] Write in

    OOC: It is not always failed actions that get you guys into trouble, though this would have been much worse if the Greyport paper had failed.
     
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    • DragonParadox said:
    Of Scattered Gold ​

    Twenty-Fourth Day of the Eleventh Month 294 AC

    The pile of papers on your desk is growing ever larger, for all there isn't yet one from the far reaches of Draconys yet. First there is the Oldtown Mirror, by far the most polished of the new publications, the work of Maesters with an inclination to the written word and a desire to have their voices heard. The opening edition strikes a delicate balance between thanking Lord Hightower and the local Inquisition for 'dealing with the unfortunates touched by the terrors of the depths in an even-handed way' and being not so subtly glad that the most mutated had been brought to Qohor along with Qyburn himself. Unsurprisingly, you find that the former Seneschal is not that well liked among his once-colleagues, a fact which Marwyn uses to make himself seem more acceptable, or at the very least the lesser of two evils.

    Curious, you note that he had authored a piece himself. 'Critical thought for the Common Man'... By the time you are done reading, you shake your head and sigh. He had let a bit too much contempt for the readers seep through. For all his other skills, the Archmaester of Magic would make a truly terrible educator of the basics in... well, anything, you suspect.

    By contrast, the Tyrosh Tribune lives up to its name in the most archaic connotation, of being willfully identified as the voice of 'the people', freedmen and free thinkers, what the magisters across half a continent would call the hoi poloi, though for all its daring ideas, it is fiercely pro-Imperial. You cannot say if that is actual conviction or the editors cloaking themselves in loyalty to the throne in order to avoid the worst of the criticism that is sure to come their way. For your part, you wish them well. The realm could use more of an elan to change, and as the saying goes in the Reach 'better to restrain the eager charger than prod the reluctant mule.'

    Speaking of mules you had been more worried about Greyport than any of the other cities, given its young and inexperienced duke, a foreigner among a people who might still count themselves conquered. Those fears proved unfounded, however, as the paper called simply the West Herald is scrupulous about avoiding contentious topics. It's pages are filled with the humdrum of local affairs

    Local Papers
    • Oldtown: 43 (Success)
    • Tyrosh: 75 (Success)
    • Greyport: 83 - 5 (Failed action last turn) = 78 (Success)
    Alas, the world is not inclined to cater to the inclination of the editors. Long articles about the new aqueducts and changes in the tax law have been overshadowed of late by a conflict that has its roots in the old Lannister rule, but not in a way that one can solve with a call to the Lawmen or the Inquisition. By long tradition, and you suspect even longer nepotism, certain guilds in the city were exempt from peacetime taxation, chief among them the gold and silver smiths, but also the vintners, the glass blowers and and the weavers.

    Some of the richer guilds were able to weather the transition to imperial taxation well enough, take advantage of the sudden errasure of borders and tariffs to grow in prosperity. The latter two guilds, the glass blowers and weavers, were not so fortunate. Suddenly thrust into direct competition with Riverlander weaving and glass from Myr and the rest of the Free cities, dozens of masters suddenly found themselves facing the grim specter of bankruptcy. In other parts of the realm, the micro-credits of the Iron Bank would have helped smooth over matters, but between the perception of Greyport as a haven for traitors and the fact that the most influential people in both Guilds are actually connected to the former Lannisters of Lannisport, there would be no loans forthcoming for most of those in need.

    Crowds have gathered before the City Courthouse, the Circle of Battle, and even Theon's own townhouse, protesting their injustice and demanding a return to the old tax laws. This is of course not only beyond local authorities, but utterly impractical, yet something must be done.

    How do you react to the unrest in Greyport?

    [] Implement some form of tax break

    [] Lean on the Iron Bank to get more loans through

    [] Write in

    OOC: It is not always failed actions that get you guys into trouble, though this would have been much worse if the Greyport paper had failed. Not yet edited.
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    Here's an edited version of the chapter, DP.
     
    Maybe we can distribute some minor government contracts to the glass blowers and weavers to help sure up their finances? Glass blowers could make laboratory equipment, Alchemical and potion vials, etc., while the weavers could produce cloth and garments for Legion soldiers?
     
    Just as a note, various businesses, guilds and other institutions failing in the new system is going to be a semi-constant thing from now on. You guys have introduced a lot of economic change and while it is true that a rising tide lifts most boats some of them will get swamped with water.
     
    [X] Lean on the Iron Bank to get more loans through
    -[X] Speak with the relevant Ministries about the possibility of awarding the Glassblower's and Weaver's Guilds of Greyport contracts to produce glass laboratory equipment, Alchemical and potion vials, and uniforms and other clothing for Legion soldiers. If this wouldn't be beneficial to the relevant guilds, or would negatively impact our other suppliers too greatly, we will not award such contracts.
    -[X] We will also make it known among the guilds that there may be new job opportunities available to them in other parts of the Imperium where their skills will be in greater demand and thus potentially more lucrative. If they are willing to relocate, we might subsidize their travel expenses, depending on their finances and destination.
     
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    Rather than lean on the Iron Bank, what about lending the money ourselves ? Free entreprise ought to remain free on this matter.

    If national interest demand that something be done, let it be us that shoulder the risk and reap the benefits. The Crown could act as a Public investment bank.
     
    Goldfish said:
    [X] Lean on the Iron Bank to get more loans through
    -[X] Speak with the relevant Ministries about the possibility of awarding the Glassblower's and Weaver's Guilds of Greyport contracts to produce glass laboratory equipment, Alchemical and potion vials, and uniforms and other clothing for Legion soldiers. If this wouldn't be beneficial to the relevant guilds, or would negatively impact our other suppliers too greatly, we will not award such contracts.
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    Keep in mind that preferential contracts mean the state is not getting the best deal because you are awarding a contract on a basis that is not cost or quality. Not saying this is wrong per say I just wanted to make the implication clear.
     
    We need talented craftsman of all types right? Could we just set up a program to drain people in dire straights here out of the city and set them up in places were we need them?

    They might not like it at first, but it's hard to garner widespread support if there's a well known attempt to resolve your problem and the public already thinks poorly of you.
     
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    We need talented craftsman of all types right? Could we just set up a program to drain people in dire straights here out of the city and set them up in places were we need them?

    They might not like it at first, but it's hard to garner widespread support if there's a well known attempt to resolve your problem and the public already thinks poorly of you.
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    I'll add something to that effect to my vote.
     
    I like Goldfish's plan however...
    We shouldn't rely on another bank to allow more loans that seems like we are forcing them to become controlled by the imperium and sets a bad precedent.
    Instead lets set up our own way of lending money to assist the local companies denied loans.
    To avoid competing with the iron bank, make the loans the same rate as the Iron bank and only to those who have been denied by the Iron Bank.

    [X] Write in
    -[X] Have one of the ministries hand out loans which the iron bank declined. The budget will start at 0.5% of total annual revenue.

    Edit: Turns the Iron Bank is our bank, so much for the slight libertarianism!

    [X] Goldfish

    In addition we should assist with retraining people affected by the bad economic environment.

    -[X] Open up more classes and for the workers who have lost their jobs due to the economic changes.
    -[X] Finance scholarships and income assistance.
    -[X] Maximum Scholarship budget at 0.1% of maximum revenue.
     
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    The deal with Braavos for a peaceful annexation was that the Iron Bank would serve as the Imperiums central bank and be the only one handing out loans in the states name. Going back on that agreement is certainly possible, but would have consequences.

    However, the IB entered this deal with the full knowledge that there would be political pressure to hand out certain loans, and has happily complied with such demands in the past.
     
    @DragonParadox @Azel, so we can't make proper Forges, but is there anything stopping us from also making that Fire Forge in the Dragonmont?
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    I like Goldfish's plan however...
    We shouldn't rely on another bank to allow more loans that seems like we are forcing them to become controlled by the imperium and sets a bad precedent.
    Instead lets set up our own way of lending money to assist the local companies denied loans.
    To avoid competing with the iron bank, make the loans the same rate as the Iron bank and only to those who have been denied by the Iron Bank.

    [X] Write in
    -[X] Have one of the ministries hand out loans which the iron bank declined. The budget will start at 0.5% of total annual revenue.

    I don't know the exact state of our finances so perhaps someone else has a better number.

    Otherwise,

    [X] Goldfish

    -[X] Speak with the relevant Ministries about the possibility of awarding the Glassblower's and Weaver's Guilds of Greyport contracts to produce glass laboratory equipment, Alchemical and potion vials, and uniforms and other clothing for Legion soldiers. If this wouldn't be beneficial to the relevant guilds, or would negatively impact our other suppliers too greatly, we will not award such contracts.
    -[X] We will also make it known among the guilds that there may be new job opportunities available to them in other parts of the Imperium where their skills will be in greater demand and thus potentially more lucrative. If they are willing to relocate, we might subsidize their travel expenses, depending on their finances and destination.

    In addition we should assist with retraining people affected by the bad economic environment.

    -[X] Open up more classes and for the workers who have lost their jobs due to the economic changes.
    -[X] Finance scholarships and income assistance
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    The Iron Bank isn't another bank, they're our bank.
     
    I just though about something , the street of steel in King'slanding is likely the single greatest concentration of metal workers in the world though they may not be the most knowledgeable like their counterparts in Quhour or experienced in working with imperial magic like the ones in Everfire but they are none the less very numerous ,skilled and experienced . since false king Robart two cuck held massive tournaments on monthly or even weekly basis if he could get away with it all while having ridiculously massive cash prizes for years , that meant that there were thousands of knights coming and going from King'slanding all of whom would have needed their armor and weapons repaired or replaced as the wear and tear of those tournaments and the road took their course , this sheer demand would have required the metal workers of the city to take on multiple apprentices just to keep up all of whom would have eventually left to set up their own shops as well expanding the street of steel and repeating the cycle ,this would have been going on for over a decade so their is both a massive opportunity to set up a new Everfire in King'slanding and a problem in that with Robart's tournaments drying up with him being dead and his kingdom conquered the bubble the metal workers of the city have been enjoying will pop with demand suddenly and sharply going down causing a great deal of economic woe to the city
     
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