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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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I just had a thought

The dispersal ward would dispel any sort of major magics right?
But what about the final incantation though?
Can we somehow use the syllable to destroy enemy wards.

This is my proposal since only we and Abraxas have access to the final incantation magic.

We could prepare some kind of advanced mordenkainens spell disjunction using the syllable to produce a magical effect which could destroy wards.

I call this the wardbreaker payload in which we can send this wardbreaker into enemy ships or fortress in such a way to penetrate the ward sanctum and destroy the base like using steam cannons and other etc.

Since this knowledge could be the key to throw down the brazen throne but in order to not destroy the balance of the setting i would propose this to be a long term project with high difficulty.
 
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Ouranous said:
I just had a thought

The dispersal ward would dispel any sort of major magics right?
But what about the final incantation though?
Can we somehow use the syllable to destroy enemy wards.

This is my proposal since only we and Abraxas have access to the final incantation magic.

We could prepare some kind of advanced mordenkainens spell disjunction using the syllable to produce a magical effect which could destroy wards.

I call this the wardbreaker payload in which we can send this wardbreaker into enemy ships or fortress in such a way to penetrate the ward sanctum and destroy the base like using steam cannons and other etc.

Since this knowledge could be the key to throw down the brazen throne but in order to not destroy the balance of the setting i would propose this to be a long term project with high difficulty.
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No.

Firstly because any spell we could derive from a single syllable is still mortal magic and in this case even less powerful than Disjunktion would be.
Secondly because the effect of the gem is touch-range and if we get that close we can shut down the wards anyway, by killing the mages and looting the stones.
 
Artemis1992 said:
No.

Firstly because any spell we could derive from a single syllable is still mortal magic and in this case even less powerful than Disjunktion would be.
Secondly because the effect of the gem is touch-range and if we get that close we can shut down the wards anyway, by killing the mages and looting the stones.
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I said this we would have to research the new magic not the actual disjuntion spell or
Syllable's effect

What im proposing is using the innate ability of the power of the final incantation to power a disjunction powerful enough to destroy the wards
The main function of integrating the final incantaion in this is to make the spell resilient to be dispelled by the wards

Edit: we are going to research the spell to have a very small AOE enough to target the wards
 
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Ouranous said:
I said this we would have to research the new magic not the actual disjuntion spell or
Syllable's effect

What im proposing is using the innate ability of the power of the final incantation to power a disjunction powerful enough to destroy the wards
The main function of integrating the final incantaion in this is to make the spell resilient to be dispelled by the wards

Edit: we are going to research the spell to have a very small AOE enough to target the wards
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I think step one in that research should be "Be Abraxxas"
 
The Dispersal Ward works by preventing a spell effect from even forming by grounding it out. It's like failing a concentration check. The power is wasted and nothing happens.

Trying to overpower or circumvent the ward by using a clever spell effect is like trying to drain the ocean by dumping water into it.
 
Azel said:
The Dispersal Ward works by preventing a spell effect from even forming by grounding it out. It's like failing a concentration check. The power is wasted and nothing happens.

Trying to overpower or circumvent the ward by using a clever spell effect is like trying to drain the ocean by dumping water into it.
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Well there goes that idea.😥😣
 
Ouranous said:
So wait are our wards something that cant be messed with by even Abraxas?🤯
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At least not by his minions.

He himself has the Incantation as an expression of his quasi-divine power, so I wouldn't make any bets.

On the other hand, he could only be on this Plane as a result of Conjurstion magic, so if he used the full power of the Final Incantation he'd propably just send himself home.
 
At the very least there would be more than ample warning, since a Demon Lord manifesting in full on a plane will have every Boundary Ward on it producing doomsday warnings long before he shows up.
 
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Part MMMDCCCXXIX: Swords and Shares
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    Twenty-Second Day of the Ninth Month 294 AC

    The House of Mirrors shall gain much from the experience of the fey and if dealing with Glyra and Moonsong has taught you anything it is that the fey spirits are not so hard to manage that you should let caution get ahead of advantage. You send word to the minister, let the oracles wield their arts to the betterment of the Imperium and let your legal experts look over the vows just in case. You trust in your investigators to weed out any malice or mischief. Then again. the next message to pass by your desk is proof manifest that even the most skilled administrators can misstep at times because they are skilled. For with skill comes ambition.

    Whereas Dukes Darry Royce and Frey have made out quite well with the aid of the Ministry of Taxation to adapt their local taxes to the Imperial code, very successfully in the latter case due to their familiarity with both trade and Imperial law, things had gone a good deal less well in the one province you would have least suspected, Verdant Vales.

    It was not that Governor Tyos did not have the best of intentions in setting up a system wherein the lords might pay in coin in place of maintaining the armsmen they must traditionally keep ready for war. After all, he is entirely right that you would no more send feudal ill-trained barely armed levies into battle anymore than you would march ordinary citizens to die against the hosts of the Brazen Throne. The age of the raised banner and of soldiers marching under the aegis of their local lords is done. But that does not mean all of them are aware of the fact.

    None of the counts and barons of Verdant Vales poor and ill-served by war have objected to the possibility of paying a tax which is intentionally much lower than what they would have to keep up in terms of armsmen. Yet news of the Governor's doings had eventually traveled much farther than the borders of the province and there it had been far less well received. From the Duchy of Last River to the Mandervale a bubbling discontent that only fear can brew has started to percolate among the lower nobility.

    You would have noticed it sooner save for the fact that the dukes did not feel threatened and saw no reason to bring the matter up in the Curia, indeed some of the dukes are likely even now considering it coin in the pouch than a few ill-favored armsmen. After all, gold can be turned to equipping one's own household much more in line with the standards of the day, not up to the Legion's accountants perhaps, but close enough to be respectable. So the Voluntary Sword Tax has seen its second month of operation in accordance to the standards set out in your tax code and crafted with the aid of ministry experts before the first serious issues garners your notice, from Barbrey Dustin, Countess of Barrowtown. It is couched in conciliatory enough language so as not to seem demanding of the throne, but you count the words 'unfortunate precedent' nine times in a three page letter.

    Help with setting up local taxes
    • Verdant Vale: 18 (Failure)
    • Runestone: 26 (Success)
    • The Forks: 92 (Success)
    • Greater Darry: 69 (Success)
    What do you do about the Voluntary Sword Tax in Verdant Vales?

    [] Ask that it be quietly retired

    [] Leave it in place, it is a good precedent, for all it is sooner than you might have wished for such a thing to appear

    [] Write in

    OOC: I hope this is not too much summarizin,g but in the case of the successes there really isn't much of interest to cover.
     
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    • What if we spread word that this is due to Verdant Fields having a specific history of war and poor troops wandering about? Get the Westerosi to blame it all on the locals that Westerosi often don't like, etc.
     
    DragonParadox said:
    Swords and Shares ​

    Twenty-Second Day of the Ninth Month 294 AC

    The House of Mirrors shall gain much from the experience of the fey, and if dealing with Glyra and Moonsong has taught you anything, it is that the fey spirits are not so hard to manage that you should let caution get ahead of advantage. You send word to the minister, let the oracles wield their arts to the betterment of the Imperium and let your legal experts look over the vows just in case. You trust in your investigators to weed out any malice or mischief. Then again, the next message to pass by your desk is proof manifest that even the most skilled administrators can misstep, at times because they are skilled. For with skill comes ambition.

    Whereas Dukes Darry, Royce, and Frey have made out quite well with the aid of the Ministry of Taxation to adapt their local taxes to the Imperial code, very successfully in the latter case due to their familiarity with both trade and Imperial law, things had gone a good deal less well in the one province you would have least suspected, Verdant Vales.

    It was not that Governor Tyos did not have the best of intentions in setting up a system wherein the lords might pay in coin in place of maintaining the armsmen they must traditionally keep ready for war. After all, he is entirely right that you would no more send ill-trained and barely armed feudal levies into battle anymore than you would march ordinary citizens to die against the hosts of the Brazen Throne. The age of the raised banner and of soldiers marching under the aegis of their local lords is done. But that does not mean all of them are aware of the fact.

    None of the counts and barons of Verdant Vales, poor and ill-served by war, have objected to the possibility of paying a tax which is intentionally much lower than what they would have to keep up in terms of armsmen. Yet news of the Governor's doings had eventually traveled much farther than the borders of the province and there it had been far less well received. From the Duchy of Last River to the Mandervale, a bubbling discontent that only fear can brew has started to percolate among the lower nobility.

    You would have noticed it sooner save for the fact that the dukes did not feel threatened and saw no reason to bring the matter up in the Curia. Indeed, some of the dukes are likely even now considering if coin in the pouch is better than a few ill-favored armsmen. After all, gold can be turned to equipping one's own household much more in line with the standards of the day. Perhaps not up to the legion's accoutrements, but close enough to be respectable, and so the Voluntary Sword Tax has seen its second month of operation accordance to the standards set out in your tax code, and crafted with the aid of ministry experts before the first serious complaints garner your attention, from Barbrey Dustin, Countess of Barrowtown. It is couched in conciliatory enough language so as not to seem demanding of the throne, but you count the words 'unfortunate precedent' nine times in a three page letter.

    Help with setting up local taxes
    • Verdant Vale: 18 (Failure)
    • Runestone: 26 (Success)
    • The Forks : 92 (Success)
    • Greater Darry: 69 (Success)
    What do you do about the Voluntary Sword Tax in Verdant Vales?

    [] Ask that it be quietly retired

    [] Leave it in place, it is a good precedent, for all it is sooner than you might have wished for such a thing to appear

    [] Write in

    OOC: I hope this is not too much summarizing but in the case of the successes there really isn't much of interest to cover. Not yet edited.
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    Here's an edited version of the chapter, DP.
     
    I don't see any problem with this tax at all. It's a good one, IMO, and something that needed to happen eventually. If the Dukes didn't even think it enough of an issue to mention in the Curia, I don't think we should consider rescinding it now. Better to have the precedent in place now, as it will help when the tax is introduced across the continent.

    [X] Leave it in place, it is a good precedent, for all it is sooner than you might have wished for such a thing to appear
     
    If the Dukes have already made the logical assumption that the times of everyone being little petty kings in their own fiefdoms, who merely paid lip service to an overlord, but threatened murder in flowery terms whenever things didn't go their way, instead of being involved in a very stark hierarchy who has to more often than not resolve their problems through words and rhetoric, why wouldn't most of the non-Dukes?

    Who are still major Lords in their respective domains and so more used to gauging levels of strength against their peers and their own? It's not like they're minor Houses who won their nobility off the backs of war like some Hedge Knight, they've been in power for thousands of years and one merely needs to, as you pointed out, study Tyrosh, to know that the old age's power dynamics is pretty much over for good.
     
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    Crake said:
    If the Dukes have already made the logical assumption that the times of everyone being little petty kings in their own fiefdoms, who merely paid lip service to an overlord, but threatened murder in flowery terms whenever things didn't go their way, instead of being involved in a very stark hierarchy who has to more often than not resolve their problems through words and rhetoric, why wouldn't most of the non-Dukes?

    Who are still major Lords in their respective domains and so more used to gauging levels of strength against their peers and their own? It's not like they're minor Houses who won their nobility off the backs of war like some Hedge Knight, they've been in power for thousands of years and one merely needs to, as you pointed out, study Tyrosh, to know that the old age's power dynamics is pretty much over for good.
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    It is not quite that advanced a realization. It is more of the Dukes who are paying attention none of them are threatened by the move and some of them are inspired. Taxes in coin are a lot more convenient for them for everything including actual military force protection. I mean what are you going to do with a horde of peasants armed with everything up to and including rocks you just picked up off the ground? Even if you were inclined to spend their blood like water, which most lords would be at least hesitant to do, their morale is not going to hold long enough to do anything besides run.
     
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    XP Gained in the Attack on the Efreeti:
    Viserys 2250
    Richard 2250
    Garin: 4400
    Lya: 1033
    Waymar 1033
    Maelor: 2500

    No one levels from what I can see but Viserys is really close, just 1000 XP off
     
    *looks at combat system draft*

    *looks at peasant levies*

     
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