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Ah, yeah. Alright, I see why that'd be tempting.
A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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From where I am, a Mythic Dragon Sorcerer User of Maho showed up with several different benefits of blood magic (Old Gods, new Vayalrian Steel, etc etc), and when they asked for any/more? Lore on the subject we gave them a straight "Can't, Military Secrets."
So their second nearest Major Sorcerous Power, who'd just obliterated that Major Cult of Tiamat, says that this shit is important to know about, so they need to figure out how it actually works.
Once you get researchers on it, you start looking for practical applications for both experimentation and Lore progression, and that's how they started enslaving some sort of dragon-ish sapients who had been raiding and killing civies.
If they've gone further with it since then, I don't know about it and have just gotten into the after party for the coronation. Adjar just offered us 50% ownership for a very intriguing shadow related material substance if we can clear out the locals and provide and maintain security.
Edit: Besides being Ninja'd, I also assume that Bloodemperor proximity leads to both temptations from sources of blood magic as well as viable Lore Loot of blood magic.
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We're not in the habit of punishing people for past crimes after they've stopped them and started working for us, but this guy did drop the ball pretty badly here.
He had to know where he was going to be heading for this assignment, and that his own history might be a problem, but didn't provide any of that very important information to his superiors. If he had we'd have stationed him somewhere where he hadn't conducted god damn slave raids.
Even if we don't want to open the can of worms that is punishing him for pre imperial era crimes that particular fuck up is more than worth getting stripped of his position and sent home in disgrace.
A person in his position needs to be willing to actively report any personal information that could reasonably interfere with the interests of the office they work for.
[X] Strip him of his position in the Silver Serpent and send him home in disgrace
He had to know where he was going to be heading for this assignment, and that his own history might be a problem, but didn't provide any of that very important information to his superiors. If he had we'd have stationed him somewhere where he hadn't conducted god damn slave raids.
Even if we don't want to open the can of worms that is punishing him for pre imperial era crimes that particular fuck up is more than worth getting stripped of his position and sent home in disgrace.
A person in his position needs to be willing to actively report any personal information that could reasonably interfere with the interests of the office they work for.
[X] Strip him of his position in the Silver Serpent and send him home in disgrace
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- Germany
Fair enough, but reassigning him to Antarctica is in line with how we punished these things in the past.
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- United States
@DragonParadox, are background checks for imperial officials not a thing yet? Can we get started on that?
If his mistake was more or less private I'd be on board with that but he gambled with the Imperium's diplomatic position and publicly lost, so I think the situation warrants using his punishment to mitigate some of the damage he did.
It's not much, but it's something at least.
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- Germany
I mainly don't want to have people thinking that we bowed to foreign pressure here and punish someone for old crimes.
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- United States
That's my thinking as well here.
Our official fucked up by not being upfront with his past, yeah. But I'm not about to bow to foreign pressure to punish him against the spirit of our own laws no matter how mad it makes them.
Goldfish
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Yeah, I can agree with that. @BronzeTongue has a good point.
[X] Have him dismissed from diplomatic service entirely. He has shown extremely bad judgment by being silent about his history in regards to the Summer Isles and thus become untrustworthy.
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I dont know the full extent of our laws on this but isnt LYING about his background to get into the job illegal and punishable by us?
Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
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- USA
How stupid do you have to be to play diplomat in a place you raided for slaves? Magic alone presents new ways to uncover past misdeeds, and if it wasn't a local who spotted him, a rival or foreign actor could have revealed his past crimes simply to undercut him or weaken our diplomatic position.
How come someone like this or Elissa Farman repeatedly succeed in their asshole acts while repeatedly displaying pisspoor judgement? She at least has the excuse that the people in power do not have institutional scrutiny of one's actions. But this guy has no such excuse for it.
How come someone like this or Elissa Farman repeatedly succeed in their asshole acts while repeatedly displaying pisspoor judgement? She at least has the excuse that the people in power do not have institutional scrutiny of one's actions. But this guy has no such excuse for it.
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I don't think he actively lied. He probably mentioned having done slave raids in the past, but nobody cross checked when assignments were made.
He should have said something though, the idiot.
That works for me. I get the desire to avoid looking like the Summer Islands pressured us into doing something, but letting this guy walk after fucking up something this basic about his job rubs me the wrong way.
Maybe we should also consider circulating a memo (one pointedly lacking any level of classification) detailing some basic standards regarding reporting personal history and current entanglements that are relevant to their positions around our various offices as well.
We'd get some improved professional standards out of it, and the whole thing would probably be in the hands of the most worried members of the nobility by the end of the day hopefully nipping any stupid reactions to this incident at the bud.
[X] Azel
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[X] Azel
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- Germany
Yeah. I feel the same. Reassignment somewhere unpleasant would have been some measure of punishment, but not quite as big of a slap as I'd preferred.
I think making this a literally career ending fuckup should send the right message.
He did indeed mention that he served under such and such captain, including on slaving journeys, but no one was going to check the undocumented accounts that were already several years old before the Imperium was a gleam in Viserys' eye. The man basically wrote 'pirate' in the proverbial box marked prior experience, it was assumed to cover things like that, just not where.
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I hope Rhaella's going to force her underlings to be more thorough with background checks from now on.
He was not her underling directly. He was (technically still is as of right now) a Silver Serpent employee whose job it was to show all the economic benefits of closer collaboration with the Imperium, not at that specific feast of course but more broadly.
As an aside, would continuing my periodic item hunts actually accomplish anything or have we abstracted that away?
I don't want to complicate the system or anything, but if any new items are going to end up as flavor alone then it changes what I should prioritize when digging stuff up.
I ask because I was about to dig up some cheap diplo effects to help our ambassadors, but if they won't have a mechanical effect then I should probably drop stuff that's too low key or otherwise awkward to easily use to add flavor to a scene.
I don't want to complicate the system or anything, but if any new items are going to end up as flavor alone then it changes what I should prioritize when digging stuff up.
I ask because I was about to dig up some cheap diplo effects to help our ambassadors, but if they won't have a mechanical effect then I should probably drop stuff that's too low key or otherwise awkward to easily use to add flavor to a scene.
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- Germany
Why are we using guys like him for that in the first place? We have plenty of other people in ACSEC and Red Scales Holding that would be way safer than sending former pirates.