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I think that is infeasible due to Lannas kids still being toddlers, but Jon can be the cool older brother / mentor figure that teaches the squirt how to deal with the negative repercussions of your birth circumstances.
A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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Crake
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Samwell, Joran, Young!Thoros... that's about it.
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Huh... Do we have a male ward who isn't shy or morose with family issues?
Jon actually does not have that much trouble relating to girls, thanks in no small part of Asha whom he shared some confidences with before she went away. In a way it was a bit of a reverse of the Jon Arya relationship of canon since Jon was the younger. The fact that she genuinely did not give a damn that he was a bastard and she treated him the same as Rob (good company in small doses but still a younger kid and thus at times annoying) came a long way with Jon.
I mean if they are your wards, most of them tend to have issues. You tend to collect as many or more of them from defeated foes as you do allies.
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Crake
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No.
Anyway--
Joffrey: Runestone because if anyone can turn this kid around and land him in the Accidental Fantasy Protagonist tropefield, it's Bronze Yohn.
Leila: Zherys commented that kids are either boring or disappointing, but this one isn't his kid and he has to start somewhere when it comes to cultivating an heir, maybe he'll just adopt her if she's got potential, and Gerion's kids demonstrated magical potential/seer like qualities in the one update they appeared in. I think it was even this one who demonstrated that. If she ends up being a disappointment, well, at least it will be easy to shunt off the blame.
Leon: Right now Jon will be the big brother figure, I suppose, but he needs practice for that too, before Viserys and Lya have some kids. And when they get older, seriously, Jon is lacking a quantity of guy friends.
Joy: If there's one place where her being a bastard won't get her looked down on, it'll be in the court of Asha Greyjoy. So at least she won't be lacking for good company.
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Second part of the conversion, after the Imperials, welcome to Hell.
Unsullied:
You all know them, well-trained and extremly disciplined, but not really much more.
Hellbound Unsullied:
Enhanced by infernal rituals they are stronger, tougher, tireless and telepathically connected with each other.
Lesser Devil Host:
Low-tier devils driven before a smaller number of Legion and Bearded Devils, with a few Bone Devils mixed in as commanders.
The High Mental defence is mostly based on the fact that Lemures and Nupperibo are immune to mind-affecting stuff.
Devil Host:
A formation mostly of Barbazu and Merregon, all of which are highly disciplined and can teleport (though very limited in the of Merregons)
Greater Devil Host:
A formation of Gelugon, Furies and maybe the occasional Cornugon as officers. (And Bloodreavers if they can all fly like the ones we met in Whiteharbor)
Attachements:
Devil Commisars:
Ashmede and the likes of them, present mostly to drive the fear of Asmodeus into any Devil thinking that that His hand might not reach to the edges of Hell's engagements.
Infernal Siege Engines:
A company of siege engines and accompanying engineers and mages. Aside from those working directly with the machines the engines are always guarded by squads of Orthons, ensuring that any teleport-based strike against the weapons is a one-way trip into death.
| Unit Name: | Unsullied | Hellbound Unsullied | Lesser Devil Host | Devil Host | Greater Devil Host |
| Readiness | 80 | 80 | 90 | 70 | 40 |
| Offense Physical: | 4 | 5 | 4 | 5 | 6 |
| Offense Mental: | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 3 |
| Offense Death: | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 2 |
| Defence Physical: | 3 | 5 | 6 | 6 | 7 |
| Defence Mental: | 2 | 3 | 9 | 4 | 5 |
| Defence Death: | 1 | 3 | 2 | 3 | 5 |
| Mobility: | 5 | 6 | 4 | 8 | 11 |
| Morale: | 7 | 9 | 5 | 8 | 9 |
| Ranged Options: | Phyiscal 3 | Physical 3 | Physical 3 | Physical 5, Mental 2, Death 2 | Phyiscal 6, Mental 3 , Death 2 |
| Long Ranged Attacks: | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Special Notes: | Due to everyone being able to Teleport they don't need to any rolls to disengage or reposition |
Unsullied:
You all know them, well-trained and extremly disciplined, but not really much more.
Hellbound Unsullied:
Enhanced by infernal rituals they are stronger, tougher, tireless and telepathically connected with each other.
Lesser Devil Host:
Low-tier devils driven before a smaller number of Legion and Bearded Devils, with a few Bone Devils mixed in as commanders.
The High Mental defence is mostly based on the fact that Lemures and Nupperibo are immune to mind-affecting stuff.
Devil Host:
A formation mostly of Barbazu and Merregon, all of which are highly disciplined and can teleport (though very limited in the of Merregons)
Greater Devil Host:
A formation of Gelugon, Furies and maybe the occasional Cornugon as officers. (And Bloodreavers if they can all fly like the ones we met in Whiteharbor)
Attachements:
| Attachment Name: | Infernal Commisars | Infernal Siege Company |
| Readiness | +5 | 0 |
| Offense Physical: | +1 | +2 |
| Offense Mental: | +1 | +1 |
| Offense Death: | 0 | 0 |
| Defence Physical: | 0 | 0 |
| Defence Mental: | 0 | 0 |
| Defence Death: | +1 | 0 |
| Mobility: | 0 | -1 |
| Morale: | +2 | 0 |
| Ranged Options: | +1 to existing physical or Mental, strenght 2 attacks added if there are none before | Physical +5 |
| Long Ranged Attacks: | 0 | +8 |
| Special Notes: | ||
| Applicable: | All Devil Hosts | Lesser Devil Host, Devil Host |
Devil Commisars:
Ashmede and the likes of them, present mostly to drive the fear of Asmodeus into any Devil thinking that that His hand might not reach to the edges of Hell's engagements.
Infernal Siege Engines:
A company of siege engines and accompanying engineers and mages. Aside from those working directly with the machines the engines are always guarded by squads of Orthons, ensuring that any teleport-based strike against the weapons is a one-way trip into death.
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Now granted court may be a bit of an overstatement when it comes to Asha. Some lords rule from the saddle, she is likely to rule from the deck of a ship as much as she is able, going from island to island and seeing that the changes are made and the land prospers.
Crake
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She should probably conspire with Manderly and Velaryon to get some of these.
While the nostalgia and cultural gravitas associated with sailing is some shit to deal with, until the Deep Ones have been excised from the seabed like the cancerous tumors they are, she's just painting a big ole target on her back.
MagnificentMind
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Can you edit/add to that last part so we're looking at Tywin when we say that? An extra slap to the face and reminder of what he has done before the final sentencing
Can you edit/add to that last part so we're looking at Tywin when we say that? An extra slap to the face and reminder of what he has done before the final sentencing
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She is sure to look into it at least, though I am not sure she is close enough to Manderly to have much to do with him. Velaryon definitely, she is friends with Valaena.
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Speaking of factions, I do really like that Bloodraven and Vee form a mini-faction with Qyburn hanging around because he gives negative fucks about politics and is just along for the ride because Vee is.
Meanwhile, if queried why he spends time with the two, Bloodraven will either just smile or say that it's nice to be around people who appreciate a fresh body or two.
Meanwhile, if queried why he spends time with the two, Bloodraven will either just smile or say that it's nice to be around people who appreciate a fresh body or two.
You know guys that Tywin in the book actually gets things done by being a actual good lord really he does just since the deep ones came to his place he kinda ruined it literally
Crake
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You should judge a man not by how competent they are if the circumstances are ideal, but by how incompetent they become when things turn against them.
Yeah that too but he at least tried to keep his kingdom the best he can though he's not good at family relationship ask his children but he does care for them just doesn't know how to "properly" say it look at Tyrion
Yeah sure, he also undid what little of the reforms of Aegon V actually got passed so you could call him a competent lord in time of peace. I'm not sure I would call him a good one.
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Umm...
That's a pretty low bar as far as I'm concerned. So what if he did the *bear fucking minimum* that every halfway competent ruler is supposed to do?
To be fair he has the advantage of low comparison. On the left we have King 'Burn them All' and on the right we have King 'Fuck them All'. Tywin was more skilled than both and arguably he was more skilled than Jon Aryn too considering the latter's legacy was the War of the Five Kings.
Crake
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No one, no matter their circumstances of birth, is going to argue that Tywin was an admirable, perfectly just or good lord. He made enemies of everyone and ruled through fear.
He's a man who was born into privilege and power, saw that he could have more of both if it were not for the fact that many of his peers envied or eyeballed what the Lannisters had with greed, but instead of trying to turn those desires against them and try to use it to better the land he ruled, he decided to remind people "oh yeah, Lannisters have all that stuff and can use it to crush anyone who dared to desire it in turn".
When he rewarded people for doing what they wanted, that was at best maintaining the status quo. It didn't get people to exercise better judgement, it just fed into the negativity that already existed (greed) and punished the other (envy) when they went against him in any fashion.
Tywin was never satisfied if he wasn't on top. Even while being Hand, he took it as a natural expectation that while he may not be King, his grandchildren would be, and wouldn't forgive Aerys for not acceding to that despite being his "strongest supporter", or rather the person that took advantage of circumstances and childhood friendship to make certain at best Aerys would be called King but wouldn't ever get any of his projects off the ground because they weren't moderate enough for his tastes, which was why he turned back Aegon's reforms.
Aerys probably didn't give a shit about the reforms even on his sanest days, but one can't help but think the fact that Tywin pretty much ensured a generation of Westeros didn't remember one single thing relating to having power over an entire continent could be attributed to House Targaryen directly, aside from which Houses benefited from close ties. Which admittedly would have been enough, since before the rebellion, most people were willing to stomach Aerys' court so long as the heir on what seemed like a much more even keel would eventually take over. Hopefully saddled with "the right bride" with "the right blood", when to Aerys' mind, they are dragons and no one should be "as worthy" or dare I say, "more than worthy".
None of these things speak well of Aerys, but it was Tywin's job to advise him and part of that would be getting him to act at the head of charge of any actions the Crown took, so that the King didn't look weak or like a puppet--if that was in fact not what he wanted.
I mean this is the least of what we can condemn about Tywin's part to play, that's just the dynastic drama he failed to properly manage, he also failed to make anything of his tenure as ruler of Westeros besides making the Crown wealthy, nothing of which was actually used to improve the realm (because Tywin didn't want anyone else to benefit from the eventuality of rule, and to make his grandchildren look like good Kings they would have needed that nest egg for any reforms he impressed them to impose). in ASWaH @DragonParadox stated that Tywin wanted to centralize things a good deal, and we can guess he might have aspired to do the same in canon had the WoFK not occurred, but having Aerys get credit for any changes wouldn't have been ideal for him (seeing as how he spited his former friend's treatment of him despite taking advantage of that friendship to benefit his own legacy).
TL;DR - These are both bad men, but Tywin's the one alive and in front of us, so we can only punish one of them.
He's a man who was born into privilege and power, saw that he could have more of both if it were not for the fact that many of his peers envied or eyeballed what the Lannisters had with greed, but instead of trying to turn those desires against them and try to use it to better the land he ruled, he decided to remind people "oh yeah, Lannisters have all that stuff and can use it to crush anyone who dared to desire it in turn".
When he rewarded people for doing what they wanted, that was at best maintaining the status quo. It didn't get people to exercise better judgement, it just fed into the negativity that already existed (greed) and punished the other (envy) when they went against him in any fashion.
Tywin was never satisfied if he wasn't on top. Even while being Hand, he took it as a natural expectation that while he may not be King, his grandchildren would be, and wouldn't forgive Aerys for not acceding to that despite being his "strongest supporter", or rather the person that took advantage of circumstances and childhood friendship to make certain at best Aerys would be called King but wouldn't ever get any of his projects off the ground because they weren't moderate enough for his tastes, which was why he turned back Aegon's reforms.
Aerys probably didn't give a shit about the reforms even on his sanest days, but one can't help but think the fact that Tywin pretty much ensured a generation of Westeros didn't remember one single thing relating to having power over an entire continent could be attributed to House Targaryen directly, aside from which Houses benefited from close ties. Which admittedly would have been enough, since before the rebellion, most people were willing to stomach Aerys' court so long as the heir on what seemed like a much more even keel would eventually take over. Hopefully saddled with "the right bride" with "the right blood", when to Aerys' mind, they are dragons and no one should be "as worthy" or dare I say, "more than worthy".
None of these things speak well of Aerys, but it was Tywin's job to advise him and part of that would be getting him to act at the head of charge of any actions the Crown took, so that the King didn't look weak or like a puppet--if that was in fact not what he wanted.
I mean this is the least of what we can condemn about Tywin's part to play, that's just the dynastic drama he failed to properly manage, he also failed to make anything of his tenure as ruler of Westeros besides making the Crown wealthy, nothing of which was actually used to improve the realm (because Tywin didn't want anyone else to benefit from the eventuality of rule, and to make his grandchildren look like good Kings they would have needed that nest egg for any reforms he impressed them to impose). in ASWaH @DragonParadox stated that Tywin wanted to centralize things a good deal, and we can guess he might have aspired to do the same in canon had the WoFK not occurred, but having Aerys get credit for any changes wouldn't have been ideal for him (seeing as how he spited his former friend's treatment of him despite taking advantage of that friendship to benefit his own legacy).
TL;DR - These are both bad men, but Tywin's the one alive and in front of us, so we can only punish one of them.
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Thoros Voronys doesn't have family issues. His greatest concern in life before is getting out of his lessons, which seems to be the same nowadays.
When you are part of the only family subsidized to brew Dawnfruit and the last heir to Essaria, things tend to fall in ones hands.
To be honest I am not sure the realm should have outlived the dragons. They were the only thing allowing a medieval king hold sway over such a huge area. The only comparison from actual history I can think of are the mongols but
A)That soon fell apart
and
B) They had a hell of a more more organization and infrastructure than the Iron Throne ever did
One of the stranger things to me was the fact that Westeros is even as culturally homogeneous as it is. Realistically I think people should be speaking distinct but related languages in places like Dorne and the Vale. I mean I kind of played fast and loose with related languages in Essos and Valyria was only 400 years ago. The Andals who are the last continent wide linguistic influence are millennia old. All well and good to say that Old Tongue +Andalic = Common Tongue but if we look at the real world Latin + Germanic = All the Romance Languages. They might have been mutually intelligible at first, but thousands of years later like no just no. Westeros is way too homogeneous.
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The moment all the dragons died during the Dance should have been it me thinks. The one thing keeping everyone from killing the Targs and forming their own kingdoms just got merked by the Targs themselves, their incompetence, and peasants. That should have been the death knell for the dynasty. But surprisingly, no one tried anything...well, no one succeeded, I guess.
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