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For the record, anyone wanting to Trucemake between Elves and Dwarves is four thousand and eighty-five years late. That war ended with the death of Caledor II.
 
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[X] DIPLO: Interfaith Dialogue
[X] DIPLO: Dawri
[X] LESSON: Light Fingers
[X] LESSON: Syncretic
[X] LESSON: Leader
[X] LESSON: Logistician
 
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[X] DIPLO: Trucemaker
[X] DIPLO: Collegiate
[X] LESSON: Leader
[X] LESSON: Theologian

Prefer leader, but it's quite far down the tally. Theologian is a good second choice
edIt: added collegiate because I prefer to polyglot
 
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[X] DIPLO: Collegiate
[X] LESSON: Theologian

Has there been any WoG on Trucemaker? because people are saying it could help with dwarf/elf problems but from the description it makes me think it actually only applies to actual enemies and not grudging allies, so things like making a deal with the Skaven or buying from the Dawi Zharr.

Theologician is the Dragon way, leaving behind the shackles of mortal worship and going for the true understanding of gods as equals. necessary to really get going with joint Cython research.

and approval voting this

[x] LESSON: Dhar Insight

because I find it hilarious that behind the scenes we are becoming the (third?) coming of Nagash without anyone noticing or we actually planning it.
 
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das_slash said:
[X] DIPLO: Collegiate
[X] LESSON: Theologian

Has there been any WoG on Trucemaker? because people are saying it could help with dwarf/elf problems but from the description it makes me think it actually only applies to actual enemies and not grudging allies, so things like making a deal with the Skaven or buying from the Dawi Zharr.
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BoneyM said:
For the record, anyone wanting to Trucemake between Elves and Dwarves is four thousand and eighty-five years late. That war ended with the death of Caledor II.
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Word of God, it will do nothing to help with disputes between Elves and Dwarves. Not that it will stop the misconception at this point.

@BoneyM
Perhaps putting that into a note on the update might help?
 
[X] DIPLO: Dawri
[X] DIPLO: Collegiate
[X] LESSON: Syncretic

Dawri feel like the most in character thing at the moment
 
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[X] DIPLO: Mentor

[X] DIPLO: Polyglot
[X] LESSON: Dhar Insight

[X] DIPLO: Collegiate
[X] DIPLO: Dawri
[X] LESSON: Logistician
 
[X] DIPLO: Collegiate
[X] DIPLO: Dawri
[X] DIPLO: Polyglot
[X] LESSON: Dhar Insight
[X] LESSON: Syncretic
 
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I still don't like the fluff of Polyglot, but I suppose it's now much more relevant than the previous times it was offered, international project and all that.

Trucemaker still has its uses, mainly putting a stop to the Norland situation, but most enemies have an interest in fucking up waystones and thus don't see much benefit to things like free passage into their lands.

Mysticism is probably my only big no, gods are for research not worship.

Dragon fascination probably gives us a full level of Panoramic Paranoia, which is already pretty high, if we take this we might need to compromise on the "research weekend" with Cython, or the wing themed cloak.
 
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BoneyM said:
"Mmm," she hums in agreement. "There's..." she hesitates. "Well, I..."

"Jade secrets?" you guess, to a silence that speaks volumes. "And if there were, you wouldn't be able to confirm or deny their existence?"

"And I wouldn't be able to confirm or deny if I was able to confirm or deny," she says with a forced laugh.

"I won't put you on the spot. If I try to bring the Jades aboard, it'll be through official channels. I've got a feeling that if I dig deep enough I'll find pieces in all of the precursors to the Colleges."

"I know the Shamans know more than they let on," she says thoughtfully.

"Hinting that you know more than you let on is the favourite pastime of the Colleges," you say with a smile.
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You know, this entire section screams "You need DIPLO: Collegiate!" to me.

Also, do we have a quick run down of who all the college precursors were? I know the Jades and the Ambers were nature shamans, but I'm not really clear on the others.


Edit: oh, and the greys were mystics, right?
 
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Ithuriel said:
Polyglot will likely still involve spending AP to actually learn the languages and while there are some languages that I'd be interested in learning in the future, I hate the idea of once again pushing our research back.
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I'm relatively sure that beyond making the learning of a new language easier, Polyglot will either allow something akin to learning by doing where listening to a language over the course of multiple months gives us basic competency, or a way to get concepts across the language divide using obscure common words and linguistic rules, or both.
matvprok said:
Anything but Trucemaker, I really don't want black-and-white "order vs destruction" mindset to creep further into Mathilde, even if that option doesn't logically mean it strictly speaking, but, eh, it's unlikely that it wouldn't.
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I voted for it because I see it as being exactly the opposite. Think about it. What kinds of truces has she actually been involved in and/or gotten close to making or at least having had the option come up? Truces with Kurgans, Norscans, Skaven and Chaos Dwarves.

On the flip side, we haven't had a single instance of Mathilde finding herself in between an Order vs Order conflict. Granted, those conflicts are bound to come up more frequently now that we chose Laurelorn of all places, but making Trucemaker out to be some kind trait that solidifies an Order vs Chaos mindset seems quite off the mark to me.

Andres110 said:
It's not "Ignore anything from 4e except what I say", it's "Assume everything from 4e doesn't exist except what I say". So on the matter of the dragon tower, we shouldn't be thinking it might exist, we should be thinking it does not and will not exist unless Boney says otherwise on the matter. The most he's said on the matter so far is that he'll look at the 4e stuff eventually and grab what fits.
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I'm pretty sure you are misinterpreting the quote and how hard the "no" is. My interpretation is that he doesn't ever take stuff from there as superceding any other lore source and he won't ever feel obliged to take anything at all from there, but not that it is literally less likely than pure speculation and individual made up fanon by random people.
BoneyM said:
For the record, anyone wanting to Trucemake between Elves and Dwarves is four thousand and eighty-five years late. That war ended with the death of Caledor II.
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We might use it to Trucemake between an Elf and a Dwarf over the course of our job though, no?
SuperSonicSound said:
Word of God, it will do nothing to help with disputes between Elves and Dwarves. Not that it will stop the misconception at this point.

@BoneyM
Perhaps putting that into a note on the update might help?
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That's not how I read it at all. More like the opposite, as in you can't make a truce when there is one already.
 
BoneyM said:
For the record, anyone wanting to Trucemake between Elves and Dwarves is four thousand and eighty-five years late. That war ended with the death of Caledor II.
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True, but disingenuous. Trucemaker wouldn't help with mending millennia old rifts between nations. However it should be great for getting, for example, a specific Elf Mage and a specific Dwarf Runesmith to put aside their mutual annoyance long enough to work together.
 
I think people are trying to rules lawyer the meaning of the word truce, individual issues would fall under normal diplo (which the trait might give a passive bonus to, but not apply fully), not trucemaking.
 
Nerdasaurus Rex said:
You know, this entire section screams "You need DIPLO: Collegiate!" to me.

Also, do we have a quick run down of who all the college precursors were? I know the Jades and the Ambers were nature shamans, but I'm not really clear on the others.
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Good point. I'll approval vote Collegiate to give it a chance to rise up and contest the top two, since Dawri seems pretty unlikely at this point.

[X] DIPLO: Polyglot
[X] DIPLO: Dawri
[X] DIPLO: Collegiate

[X] LESSON: Mystic
[X] LESSON: Theologian

College precursors as I remember Boney relating them, though I won't pull citations for all of them unless requested
  • Lights: esoteric philosophers and mystery cults
  • Celestial: astrologers and soothsayers
  • Gold: alchemists
  • Jade: druids
  • Ambers: shamans
  • Brights: nothing specific
  • Greys: Hedgewise and illusionists
  • Amethysts: Cult of Morr
 
SuperSonicSound said:
@BoneyM
Perhaps putting that into a note on the update might help?
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Done.

Angelform said:
True, but disingenuous. Trucemaker wouldn't help with mending millennia old rifts between nations. However it should be great for getting, for example, a specific Elf Mage and a specific Dwarf Runesmith to put aside their mutual annoyance long enough to work together.
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I think you might want to look past the shiny new avatar and check the name on the person you're calling disingenuous.

IronFist said:
So it's relevant to the Marienburg and Nordland conflicts, and might become relevant if a new conflict appears between Karaz Ankor and the Eonir?
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It could be, if there was an immediate greater threat to call for a truce to face.
 
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