A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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This line is great. Really illustrates just how deeply Caswell's head is lodged up his own ass. The best part is that it's probably his idea of being reasonable and diplomatic.
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- Africa
a pretty cool lore video about the city of Brass just got uploaded and I'll say this much the forces defending that city are a scary prospect to go up against
-The Soldiers of the Eternal Crimson 100,000 effriti soldiers(CR11) and another 25,000 effriti archers/spearmen
-The Angels of Death 35,000 elite effriti mounted archers and their mounts are nightmares
-Dragoons of the Striders 10,000 firenewt light cavalry
-The Black Darts 2,000 manscorpion slaves
-The Bronze Phalanx 1,200 Azer Engineers
-The Order of the Fiery Heart 500 max level effriti PCs
-The Unquenchables 3000 palace guards
-The Branded 150 castrated efreet Mamluks that guard the sultan's harem
-The Illuminated 50,000 guards/constables
-The Watchfire Legions 40,000 secret police
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It is quite literally him being too wary of the new king to even think of being unreasonable. This is the base assumption of nobles being better than commoners that is at the basis of every hereditary aristocracy. As far as he is concerned this is as much of an objective truth as the sky being blue. One might debate what shade of blue adn what that means for the weather but not the color itself
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- Germany
I mean, that's propably canon in some edition of D&D, but not necessarily here.
For example our CoB does not seem to float.
Edit: Also I think the great Walls of the city protect the city from the general heat of the Plane, not the Brass Bastard himself.
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I thought about making it float, but I could not figure out a way to make that work without making it a major security weakness. Still I might use things from that lore video in the future, thanks for showing it @mmgaballah.
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- Germany
@Artemis1992, I'd leave out "drillships" entirely. We have not seen anything like that at any point from the Shaitan and I'm exceedingly dubious of the idea that it would be cheap to make a vehicle that drills through solid rock faster than a man walks.
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They had ships in that style here, though the drilling was for boarding-actions: A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
I would think it's very likely that they had invented variants for their own plane (as much using Stoneglide-like effects from bound earth-outsiders or from spellwork as physical drilling).
It's as natural a thought as inventing sea- or sky-ships on other planes and they had millenia to accomplish it.
Edit: The speed is as fast as a Shaitan goes through stone, which is faster than most cavalry on our Plane goes.
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@Artemis1992, "drillship" is DPs way of saying "aircraft with laser cannon".
And from a world building perspective, it's significantly more sensible if vehicular combat is impossible on the PoE. The war makes sense if nobody can get vehicles through the PoE, but not if that is somehow easy.
And from a world building perspective, it's significantly more sensible if vehicular combat is impossible on the PoE. The war makes sense if nobody can get vehicles through the PoE, but not if that is somehow easy.
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- E-Girl Deseret
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- She/Her
[X] Grant them out to Grassy Vale as hinterlands for a self-governing town
[X] Keep them under Imperial administration.
I see the Westerosis are unaware of the ancestry like, half of our Companions and major minions, and most of our bureaucracy.
[X] Keep them under Imperial administration.
I see the Westerosis are unaware of the ancestry like, half of our Companions and major minions, and most of our bureaucracy.
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- Germany
Could you explain that to me?
The Shaitan can move their troops through the stone and earth anyway at will.
A vehicle to support that would be an advantage, but not a true game-changer. They are barely faster than a regular Shaitan and could be adjusted to be exactly as fast, to imply a similarity of the magical effect and explain the movement.
So as transports, they are not too bad.
Full vehicular combat is indeed impossible since you can't shoot through stone (without exotic and expensive magic or psionics) and your sight-range is limited to things like the Shaitan's tremorsense and some magical navigation for directions.
But using the vehicles as transports and then as a kind of bunkers once they have entered the battlefield seems like a reasonable approach.
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[X] Grant them out to Grassy Vale as hinterlands for a self-governing town
Not sure about Roxton though. Have we promised a lordship/land to anyone that might want something in the Reach?
Not sure about Roxton though. Have we promised a lordship/land to anyone that might want something in the Reach?
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If the Shaitan can make such vehicles, then so can others. This is not about what would be useful and sensible for them to have, but about what the existence of that thing implies for the wider setting.
In this case, the Efreeti and the Shaitan have been in a stalemate for 800 years or so. Why? What could possibly cause them to be so incapable, with all the resources, time and bright minds thrown at the problem, to overcome the static meatgrinder?
In this case, geography. A lot of the Efreeti military power is tied up in naval vessels, air force assets and similar meanst of projecting force in an open environment. They can dominate the Fire Giants and the Salamanders, becuse they have highly mobile assets that give them control of trade routes and the ability to strike their enemies, wherever they are, with a great amount of force. But these things are fundamentally useless in the PoE, which has no seas or skies to dominate. Instead, the PoE has rock, which the Shaitan can easily burrow through and fight in. So for the Efreeti, attacking the PoE means they can't use their strongest and most mobile assets, while fighting against someone who is more mobile and better adapted to the environment. Think Vietnam War, with the Shaitan as the Vietcong.
In reverse, the same is true. The Shaitan have no harbors, air-bases or the assets building on those things. They have to conquer every tiny harbor they need, fight to keep a strip of open land to use as an aircraft landing ground and defend these things against the powerful Efreeti forces that can very much get to those places. At the same time, their own powers like Earthgliding or manipulating the cave environment to their advantage, are next to uselss on the open ground of the PoF. So they too have to fight with one arm behind their back against an extremely capable foe.
So. Both sides face a high cliff of difficulty in conducting this war the moment they enter their enemies home-ground, which is why they have been wallowing in the pit of despair betweent he cliffs for centuries in the futile hope that one day, the bodies will pile so high in it that they can climb the cliff.
If you now introduce PoE capable vehicles, this breaks down hard. Suddenly the Efreeti are a few captured "drillships" away from being able to adapt their navy to serve as troops transports that can force their way deep into the PoE. Their industrial capacity to build and crew such vessels outstrips the Shaitans capacities by a large margin, simply since they have a much greater need for vehicles in trade and warfare. This negates the Shaitans homeground advantage to a large degree, and likewise allows the Efreeti to project meaningful amounts of force into the PoE. The Efreeti would win soon after gaining such capabilities.
And this is what I get for trying to design a war without a system with the primary objective of making it look cool...
Anyway good night guys, see you tomorrow with more shocks from the poor nobles who do not know Viserys and likely laughter from some of those who do
Anyway good night guys, see you tomorrow with more shocks from the poor nobles who do not know Viserys and likely laughter from some of those who do
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I guess I can accept that.
My basic response would be that earth-vehicles would be very hard for Efreeti to copy, for a variety of reasons.
That the Shaitan's magic effects here are based on earth-related magic that the Efreeti have simply less skill in, that they work by copying magic effects inherent to creatures that the Efreeti have no contact with.
That Tremorsense is vital to using those ships without crashing into the nearest ore-deposit or dropping into a cavern.
That the Shaitan have vastly better control over the earth and surveilance through it, giving them a large advantage against any stolen or copied ships.
And if this were within the first decade or century of the war I might have tried to argue the point.
But you are right, after centuries of warfare the Efreeti would have solved all that and any other issues and the war would look differently, if not won for the Efreeti then at least shifted to fronts deeper within the PoE.
So okay, concept of earth-capable ships is cancelled, at least in size and numbers sufficient to transport armies (I won't rule out that people can use a constant Xorn Movement effect in general on vehicles, but that would be expensive beyond even Empires to scale up to armies).
My basic response would be that earth-vehicles would be very hard for Efreeti to copy, for a variety of reasons.
That the Shaitan's magic effects here are based on earth-related magic that the Efreeti have simply less skill in, that they work by copying magic effects inherent to creatures that the Efreeti have no contact with.
That Tremorsense is vital to using those ships without crashing into the nearest ore-deposit or dropping into a cavern.
That the Shaitan have vastly better control over the earth and surveilance through it, giving them a large advantage against any stolen or copied ships.
And if this were within the first decade or century of the war I might have tried to argue the point.
But you are right, after centuries of warfare the Efreeti would have solved all that and any other issues and the war would look differently, if not won for the Efreeti then at least shifted to fronts deeper within the PoE.
So okay, concept of earth-capable ships is cancelled, at least in size and numbers sufficient to transport armies (I won't rule out that people can use a constant Xorn Movement effect in general on vehicles, but that would be expensive beyond even Empires to scale up to armies).
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- Germany
Yeah, in the first decade or so, these arguments would make perfect sense and it would likely be a large part of the espionage war for the Efreeti trying to get everything together to solve these problems. In the first century, you would likely still have the Shaitan with a decent edge and the Efreeti using less sophisticated versions than them, but slowly narrowing the gap. By the second century, the tech would have equalized.
Mind that this ist he timespan tech like gunpowder took to spread through Europe, going from something only the Ottomans used against the Byzantine Empire to something that random mercenaries in England used. Tech disparity has a pretty short half-life and the more widespread education and the easier transport and communication, the faster it goes. I mean, the Meji Restoration managed to elevant a medieval Japan to an industrailized great power in 50 years. China went from "refitting partially completed Soviet carrier" to "fully domestic production of nuclear CATOBAR carrier" within around 20 years.
As for small scale, yeah, I could see that. See the cost for outfitting even one Praetori unit (about Company strength in numbers) with Power Armor. Ruinously expensive.
In fact, we have no reason to trust the competence of Lewys Cobbler, much less cover its mistakes in the event of its failures. On the other hand, there is also no reason to refuse him. Therefore, I propose to give him a trial period to test his competence on the one hand, and on the other to graciously agree with our useless vassals.
[X] Probation period.
-[X] House Meadows
--[X] As a gesture of encouragement for assisting the forces of the Imperium, we will transfer the lands of House Meadows to the management of Grassy Vale city.
---[X] But in six months, an audit of his actions will be conducted by the city administration and Lewys Cobbler personally.
----[X] If his actions are deemed ineffective, the city will lose control of the lands, and we will find a lord for them.
----[X] If his actions are found to be effective, the position will be permanently fixed.
----[X] Well, if Lewys Cobbler manages to impress us with his success, then we can even grant him the status of a full-fledged lord, which will be fixed for his descendants.
-----[X] With this decision, we're kind of showing the lords of Westeros that we're listening to their comments. But at the same time, we point out that we primarily value the skills of an administrator in landowners, and we can easily grant the status of an aristocracy to a third-party merchant if he does well with the duties assigned to him.
-[X] House Roxton
--[X] Keep them under Imperial administration.
[X] Probation period.
-[X] House Meadows
--[X] As a gesture of encouragement for assisting the forces of the Imperium, we will transfer the lands of House Meadows to the management of Grassy Vale city.
---[X] But in six months, an audit of his actions will be conducted by the city administration and Lewys Cobbler personally.
----[X] If his actions are deemed ineffective, the city will lose control of the lands, and we will find a lord for them.
----[X] If his actions are found to be effective, the position will be permanently fixed.
----[X] Well, if Lewys Cobbler manages to impress us with his success, then we can even grant him the status of a full-fledged lord, which will be fixed for his descendants.
-----[X] With this decision, we're kind of showing the lords of Westeros that we're listening to their comments. But at the same time, we point out that we primarily value the skills of an administrator in landowners, and we can easily grant the status of an aristocracy to a third-party merchant if he does well with the duties assigned to him.
-[X] House Roxton
--[X] Keep them under Imperial administration.
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- Germany
Well, with the drills being out, do the Shaitan still make a decent performance relative to their price?
I'm still working pretty much on gut-feeling and rough comparison to existing units with most of the values, so these comparisons help to see if things work as intended.
I'm still working pretty much on gut-feeling and rough comparison to existing units with most of the values, so these comparisons help to see if things work as intended.
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- Germany
Sorry. I forgot to run the test over that argument.
| Attachment_ID | Unit_Sets | Accepted_Attachments | Speed | Attack | Defense | Maneuverability | Readiness | Readiness_Regain | Reinforcement_Cost_Factor | Organization | Organization_Regain | Supplies_Upkeep | Supplies_Combat | Construction_Ticks | Points_Cost | Capacity_Cost | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| legion_infantry |
| legion_imperial_steel, legion_banners, legion_casters, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_siege, legion_warstriders |
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| 50 | 80 | 3 | 0,5 | 60 | 3 | 0,1 | 0,1 | 60 |
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| legion_cavalry |
| legion_imperial_steel, legion_banners, legion_casters, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_siege |
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| 70 | 80 | 3 | 0,5 | 60 | 3 | 0,15 | 0,15 | 60 |
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| legion_dothraki |
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| 70 | 60 | 2 | 0,5 | 50 | 2 | 0,1 | 0,1 | -1 |
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| legion_praetori |
| legion_casters, legion_warstriders, legion_air_transport, legion_power_armor |
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| 70 | 40 | 3 | 0,5 | 80 | 3 | 0,1 | 0,3 | 60 |
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| imperial_wyvern |
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| 100 | 60 | 1 | 0,8 | 60 | 4 | 0,01 | 1 | 60 |
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| imperial_manticore |
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| 100 | 80 | 1 | 0,8 | 60 | 4 | 0,01 | 0,8 | 90 |
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| undead_basic |
| undead_necromancers |
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| 30 | 100 | 2 | 0,5 | 20 | 5 | 0,01 | 0,01 | 15 |
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| undead_armed |
| legion_imperial_steel, undead_necromancers |
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| 60 | 80 | 3 | 0,5 | 80 | 4 | 0,01 | 0,02 | 30 |
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| undead_cavalry |
| undead_necromancers |
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| 60 | 80 | 2 | 0,5 | 30 | 3 | 0,01 | 0,01 | 20 |
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| undead_ethereal |
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| 80 | 50 | 6 | 0,3 | 40 | 2 | 0,01 | 0,01 | 30 |
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| undead_beast |
| undead_necromancers |
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| 40 | 60 | 2 | 0,5 | 20 | 3 | 0,02 | 0,02 | 30 |
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| undead_heavy |
| legion_imperial_steel, undead_necromancers |
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| 60 | 100 | 4 | 0,5 | 80 | 4 | 0,02 | 0,05 | 30 |
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| sea_skum |
| illithid_mutants, illithid_outer_spawn, illithid_dominator |
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| 30 | 60 | 5 | 0,5 | 30 | 4 | 0,05 | 0,05 | 30 |
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| sea_sahuagin |
| illithid_mutants, illithid_outer_spawn, illithid_dominator |
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| 50 | 60 | 5 | 0,5 | 40 | 2 | 0,05 | 0,05 | 30 |
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| illithid_war_thralls |
| illithid_outer_spawn, illithid_dominator |
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| 40 | 80 | 3 | 0,5 | 70 | 3 | 0,03 | 0,03 | 30 |
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| illithid_abominations |
| illithid_outer_spawn, illithid_dominator |
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| 20 | 100 | 5 | 0,5 | 20 | 2 | 0,01 | 0,01 | 30 |
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| illithid_thrall_herders |
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| 80 | 30 | 2 | 0,5 | 80 | 4 | 0,01 | 0,05 | 60 |
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| devil_unsullied |
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| 50 | 80 | 3 | 0,5 | 80 | 4 | 0,1 | 0,1 | 90 |
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| devil_unsullied_advanced |
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| 60 | 80 | 3 | 0,5 | 100 | 5 | 0,08 | 0,1 | 90 |
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| devil_lesser |
| devil_commissars, devil_siege |
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| 30 | 90 | 5 | 0,5 | 40 | 2 | 0,01 | 0,01 | 30 |
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| devil_basic |
| devil_commissars, devil_siege |
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| 80 | 70 | 3 | 0,5 | 70 | 3 | 0,02 | 0,05 | 30 |
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| devil_greater |
| devil_commissars |
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| 100 | 40 | 1 | 0,5 | 80 | 3 | 0,01 | 0,01 | 60 |
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| efreeti_mameluke |
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| 40 | 90 | 3 | 0,5 | 40 | 2 | 0,05 | 0,05 | 60 |
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| efreeti_eternal_guard |
| efreeti_mage_brass, efreeti_mage_flame, efreeti_mage_wall |
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| 80 | 60 | 1 | 0,3 | 80 | 3 | 0,1 | 0,1 | 180 |
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| plane_of_fire_giants |
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| 30 | 60 | 3 | 0,5 | 60 | 3 | 0,05 | 0,05 | 30 |
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| plane_of_fire_salamanders |
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| 60 | 80 | 3 | 0,5 | 60 | 2 | 0,05 | 0,05 | 30 |
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| planes_geniekin |
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| 60 | 80 | 3 | 0,5 | 80 | 4 | 0,05 | 0,05 | 30 |
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| shaitan_basic |
| shaitan_warmages |
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| 50 | 80 | 4 | 0,5 | 60 | 3 | 0,1 | 0,15 | 60 |
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| shaitan_elite |
| shaitan_warmages |
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| 60 | 60 | 2 | 0,5 | 80 | 4 | 0,1 | 0,15 | 120 |
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| Unit | Total Score | Tactical Combat Value | Strategic Combat Value |
|---|---|---|---|
| legion_praetori with legion_casters, legion_warstriders, legion_air_transport, legion_power_armor | 171,3 | 9300 | 837000 |
| legion_praetori with legion_warstriders, legion_air_transport, legion_power_armor | 166,53 | 7905 | 711450 |
| efreeti_eternal_guard with efreeti_mage_brass, efreeti_mage_flame, efreeti_mage_wall | 164,28 | 7656 | 689040 |
| legion_praetori with legion_casters, legion_warstriders, legion_power_armor | 163,8 | 7609,5 | 380475 |
| legion_praetori with legion_casters, legion_air_transport, legion_power_armor | 159,26 | 6975 | 697500 |
| illithid_war_thralls with illithid_outer_spawn, illithid_dominator | 158,29 | 7250 | 507500 |
| legion_praetori with legion_warstriders, legion_power_armor | 154,88 | 6264 | 313200 |
| efreeti_eternal_guard with efreeti_mage_brass, efreeti_mage_wall | 152,86 | 6120 | 550800 |
| legion_praetori with legion_casters, legion_warstriders, legion_air_transport | 152,6 | 5967 | 596700 |
| devil_basic with devil_commissars, devil_siege | 152,42 | 6084 | 425880 |
| legion_praetori with legion_air_transport, legion_power_armor | 149,77 | 5580 | 558000 |
| legion_praetori with legion_casters, legion_power_armor | 148,91 | 5481 | 328860 |
| undead_heavy with legion_imperial_steel, undead_necromancers | 148,5 | 6000 | 420000 |
| undead_heavy with undead_necromancers | 145,75 | 5550 | 388500 |
| illithid_abominations with illithid_outer_spawn, illithid_dominator | 142,8 | 4968 | 248400 |
| efreeti_eternal_guard with efreeti_mage_brass, efreeti_mage_flame | 141,91 | 4900 | 392000 |
| efreeti_eternal_guard with efreeti_mage_flame, efreeti_mage_wall | 141,4 | 4864 | 437760 |
| sea_sahuagin with illithid_mutants, illithid_outer_spawn, illithid_dominator | 139,29 | 4914 | 393120 |
| legion_praetori with legion_warstriders, legion_air_transport | 138,71 | 4536 | 453600 |
| imperial_manticore | 137,7 | 3825 | 382500 |
| devil_basic with devil_siege | 135,3 | 4200 | 294000 |
| illithid_war_thralls with illithid_outer_spawn | 132,99 | 4704 | 235200 |
| legion_praetori with legion_power_armor | 124,73 | 4059 | 243540 |
| sea_sahuagin with illithid_outer_spawn, illithid_dominator | 123,28 | 4032 | 322560 |
| devil_lesser with devil_commissars, devil_siege | 119,59 | 4032 | 80640 |
| legion_praetori with legion_casters, legion_warstriders | 119,02 | 3968 | 238080 |
| legion_praetori with legion_casters, legion_air_transport | 118,75 | 3888 | 388800 |
| efreeti_eternal_guard with efreeti_mage_brass | 114,87 | 3720 | 297600 |
| undead_heavy with legion_imperial_steel | 114,74 | 3900 | 234000 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_banners, legion_casters, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_siege, legion_warstriders | 108,64 | 3450 | 207000 |
| shaitan_elite with shaitan_warmages | 107,86 | 4032 | 241920 |
| devil_greater with devil_commissars | 106,88 | 3520 | 352000 |
| sea_skum with illithid_mutants, illithid_outer_spawn, illithid_dominator | 105,3 | 3600 | 216000 |
| undead_armed with legion_imperial_steel, undead_necromancers | 103,75 | 3795 | 265650 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_casters, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_siege, legion_warstriders | 100,64 | 3174 | 158700 |
| legion_infantry with legion_banners, legion_casters, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_siege, legion_warstriders | 100,27 | 3168 | 190080 |
| undead_heavy | 99,68 | 3552 | 213120 |
| efreeti_eternal_guard with efreeti_mage_wall | 98,78 | 3366 | 302940 |
| legion_infantry with legion_casters, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_siege, legion_warstriders | 89,21 | 2904 | 145200 |
| undead_armed with undead_necromancers | 86,95 | 3400 | 238000 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_banners, legion_casters, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_warstriders | 86,63 | 2850 | 171000 |
| legion_praetori with legion_warstriders | 77 | 2912 | 174720 |
| sea_skum with illithid_outer_spawn, illithid_dominator | 75,83 | 2940 | 176400 |
| legion_infantry with legion_banners, legion_casters, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_warstriders | 75,71 | 2592 | 155520 |
| efreeti_eternal_guard with efreeti_mage_flame | 74,23 | 2842 | 227360 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_casters, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_warstriders | 71,72 | 2622 | 131100 |
| legion_praetori with legion_air_transport | 69,78 | 2673 | 267300 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_banners, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_siege, legion_warstriders | 68,57 | 2640 | 158400 |
| imperial_wyvern | 67,85 | 2340 | 234000 |
| legion_infantry with legion_casters, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_warstriders | 64,87 | 2376 | 118800 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_siege, legion_warstriders | 63,33 | 2400 | 120000 |
| legion_infantry with legion_banners, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_siege, legion_warstriders | 63,06 | 2394 | 143640 |
| illithid_war_thralls with illithid_dominator | 62,19 | 2730 | 163800 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_banners, legion_casters, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_siege | 59,43 | 2376 | 213840 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_banners, legion_casters, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_siege | 58,34 | 2376 | 166320 |
| legion_praetori with legion_casters | 51,62 | 2464 | 172480 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_banners, legion_casters, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_siege | 50,38 | 2142 | 192780 |
| shaitan_elite | 50,14 | 2596 | 155760 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_banners, legion_casters, legion_siege, legion_warstriders | 48,71 | 2484 | 124200 |
| sea_sahuagin with illithid_mutants, illithid_outer_spawn | 47,66 | 2288 | 137280 |
| devil_lesser with devil_siege | 46,98 | 2376 | 47520 |
| illithid_abominations with illithid_outer_spawn | 46,71 | 1995 | 59850 |
| legion_infantry with legion_darkenbeasts, legion_siege, legion_warstriders | 46 | 2166 | 108300 |
| devil_greater | 45,48 | 2232 | 223200 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_banners, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_warstriders | 42,84 | 2112 | 126720 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_casters, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_siege | 42,68 | 2160 | 129600 |
| legion_infantry with legion_banners, legion_casters, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_siege | 42,14 | 2142 | 149940 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_casters, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_siege | 40,32 | 2160 | 172800 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_casters, legion_siege, legion_warstriders | 34,98 | 2268 | 90720 |
| legion_infantry with legion_banners, legion_casters, legion_siege, legion_warstriders | 34,46 | 2244 | 112200 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_casters, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_siege | 30,1 | 1938 | 155040 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_warstriders | 29,05 | 1920 | 96000 |
| legion_infantry with legion_banners, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_warstriders | 28,72 | 1890 | 113400 |
| legion_infantry with legion_casters, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_siege | 25,55 | 1938 | 116280 |
| legion_infantry with legion_casters, legion_siege, legion_warstriders | 19,45 | 2040 | 81600 |
| devil_basic with devil_commissars | 17,12 | 1944 | 155520 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_banners, legion_casters, legion_darkenbeasts | 14,45 | 1848 | 129360 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_banners, legion_casters, legion_darkenbeasts | 14,42 | 1848 | 166320 |
| undead_armed with legion_imperial_steel | 14,13 | 2208 | 132480 |
| sea_sahuagin with illithid_outer_spawn | 13,82 | 1955 | 117300 |
| legion_infantry with legion_darkenbeasts, legion_warstriders | 10,76 | 1710 | 85500 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_banners, legion_casters, legion_warstriders | 8,28 | 1932 | 96600 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_casters, legion_darkenbeasts | 7,9 | 1680 | 134400 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_banners, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_siege | 3,55 | 1710 | 153900 |
| efreeti_eternal_guard | 1 | 1800 | 144000 |
| illithid_thrall_herders | 0,5 | 2080 | 166400 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_banners, legion_casters, legion_darkenbeasts | 0,02 | 1638 | 147420 |
| legion_infantry with legion_banners, legion_casters, legion_darkenbeasts | -0,88 | 1638 | 114660 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_casters, legion_warstriders | -1,17 | 1764 | 70560 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_banners, legion_siege, legion_warstriders | -1,48 | 1800 | 90000 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_casters, legion_darkenbeasts | -1,54 | 1680 | 100800 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_banners, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_siege | -2,24 | 1710 | 119700 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_banners, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_siege | -4,3 | 1512 | 136080 |
| legion_infantry with legion_banners, legion_casters, legion_warstriders | -4,9 | 1716 | 85800 |
| undead_armed | -9,12 | 1904 | 114240 |
| undead_beast with undead_necromancers | -9,19 | 1820 | 91000 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_siege | -9,55 | 1530 | 122400 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_siege, legion_warstriders | -11,52 | 1620 | 64800 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_casters, legion_darkenbeasts | -11,97 | 1482 | 118560 |
| sea_sahuagin with illithid_mutants, illithid_dominator | -14,62 | 1596 | 111720 |
| legion_infantry with legion_banners, legion_siege, legion_warstriders | -14,9 | 1596 | 79800 |
| legion_infantry with legion_casters, legion_darkenbeasts | -16,12 | 1482 | 88920 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_siege | -17,6 | 1530 | 91800 |
| legion_infantry with legion_casters, legion_warstriders | -18,47 | 1560 | 62400 |
| legion_praetori | -18,94 | 1600 | 112000 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_darkenbeasts, legion_siege | -19,48 | 1344 | 107520 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_banners, legion_casters, legion_siege | -20,15 | 1560 | 124800 |
| legion_infantry with legion_banners, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_siege | -21,37 | 1512 | 105840 |
| illithid_abominations with illithid_dominator | -22,44 | 1540 | 61600 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_banners, legion_casters, legion_siege | -29,4 | 1560 | 93600 |
| legion_infantry with legion_siege, legion_warstriders | -29,86 | 1428 | 57120 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_casters, legion_siege | -32,53 | 1404 | 98280 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_banners, legion_casters, legion_siege | -34,46 | 1368 | 109440 |
| legion_infantry with legion_darkenbeasts, legion_siege | -35,73 | 1344 | 80640 |
| shaitan_basic with shaitan_warmages | -36,84 | 1482 | 74100 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_banners, legion_darkenbeasts | -38,61 | 1254 | 112860 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_casters, legion_siege | -40,94 | 1404 | 70200 |
| sea_skum with illithid_mutants, illithid_outer_spawn | -41,05 | 1449 | 57960 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_banners, legion_darkenbeasts | -41,8 | 1254 | 87780 |
| legion_infantry with legion_banners, legion_casters, legion_siege | -43,43 | 1368 | 82080 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_banners, legion_warstriders | -49,3 | 1320 | 66000 |
| illithid_war_thralls | -51,28 | 1260 | 50400 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_darkenbeasts | -52,36 | 1122 | 89760 |
| devil_basic | -53,82 | 1127 | 90160 |
| undead_ethereal | -54,57 | 1260 | 100800 |
| legion_infantry with legion_casters, legion_siege | -55,51 | 1224 | 61200 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_casters, legion_siege | -55,6 | 1224 | 85680 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_darkenbeasts | -56,4 | 1122 | 67320 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_banners, legion_darkenbeasts | -56,47 | 1080 | 97200 |
| sea_skum with illithid_outer_spawn | -56,54 | 1280 | 51200 |
| undead_basic with undead_necromancers | -57,01 | 1260 | 50400 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_warstriders | -58,21 | 1188 | 47520 |
| devil_unsullied_advanced | -62,6 | 1100 | 66000 |
| legion_infantry with legion_banners, legion_warstriders | -64,65 | 1140 | 57000 |
| devil_lesser with devil_commissars | -64,98 | 1092 | 32760 |
| legion_infantry with legion_banners, legion_darkenbeasts | -65,02 | 1080 | 75600 |
| undead_cavalry with undead_necromancers | -68,71 | 1280 | 89600 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_banners, legion_casters | -72,25 | 1080 | 86400 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_darkenbeasts | -73,3 | 960 | 76800 |
| legion_infantry with legion_warstriders | -74,27 | 1020 | 40800 |
| sea_skum with illithid_mutants, illithid_dominator | -75,33 | 1040 | 52000 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_banners, legion_casters | -75,57 | 1080 | 64800 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_banners, legion_siege | -76,75 | 1020 | 61200 |
| legion_infantry with legion_darkenbeasts | -77,49 | 960 | 57600 |
| sea_sahuagin with illithid_dominator | -78,54 | 1008 | 70560 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_banners, legion_siege | -79,1 | 1020 | 81600 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_casters | -83,03 | 972 | 68040 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_casters | -85,31 | 972 | 48600 |
| planes_geniekin | -90,38 | 952 | 57120 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_siege | -92,91 | 900 | 63000 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_banners, legion_casters | -93,85 | 912 | 72960 |
| plane_of_fire_giants | -95,43 | 882 | 26460 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_siege | -97,05 | 900 | 45000 |
| legion_infantry with legion_banners, legion_casters | -97,11 | 912 | 54720 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_banners, legion_siege | -98,57 | 864 | 69120 |
| legion_infantry with legion_banners, legion_siege | -100,2 | 864 | 51840 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_casters | -105,73 | 816 | 57120 |
| shaitan_basic | -107,93 | 816 | 40800 |
| legion_infantry with legion_casters | -109,01 | 816 | 40800 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_siege | -112,58 | 756 | 52920 |
| legion_infantry with legion_siege | -116,36 | 756 | 37800 |
| sea_skum with illithid_dominator | -128,24 | 672 | 33600 |
| undead_beast | -132,78 | 700 | 28000 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_banners | -135,73 | 612 | 48960 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_banners | -136,34 | 612 | 36720 |
| plane_of_fire_salamanders | -138,02 | 576 | 34560 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_imperial_steel | -144,29 | 540 | 37800 |
| sea_sahuagin with illithid_mutants | -145,42 | 540 | 27000 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel | -145,55 | 540 | 27000 |
| devil_lesser | -150,62 | 500 | 15000 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_banners | -153,05 | 480 | 38400 |
| legion_infantry with legion_banners | -155,04 | 480 | 28800 |
| legion_cavalry | -159,14 | 420 | 29400 |
| legion_infantry | -159,71 | 420 | 21000 |
| devil_unsullied | -159,92 | 416 | 20800 |
| undead_cavalry | -160,65 | 480 | 28800 |
| illithid_abominations | -161,75 | 378 | 7560 |
| undead_basic | -163,29 | 420 | 12600 |
| legion_dothraki | -164,12 | 325 | 22750 |
| efreeti_mameluke | -165,52 | 336 | 13440 |
| sea_sahuagin | -168,81 | 300 | 15000 |
| sea_skum with illithid_mutants | -172,98 | 270 | 8100 |
| sea_skum | -182 | 144 | 4320 |
- Location
- Germany
Basics are in a good place, Elite may be a bit to strong compared to Eternal Guard, I'll look it over tomorrow.
- Location
- Africa
maybe the wards in the great walls are keyed to the Brass Bastard thus allowing him total control over who gains or is deprived off their protection
[X] Probation period.
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- Location
- Germany
I see no need to make this more complicated than it has to be. Just adding some reasoning.
[X] Plan Reasoning
-[X] House Meadows
--[X] Grant the land to Grassy Vale to make it a self-governing city with city charter.
--[X] The current mayor will continue to serve in that function, taking over the powers of the lordship in accordance with the Imperial Constitution.
--[X] In the future, the Mayor will be elected by the Council in the first session after their election.
--[X] Since the first election of Voices needs to be arranged and the lawmen and bureaucrats need to be appointed and will be busy for a while, the election of the new Mayor will be postponed. It will be held 6 months after the first session of the Council to ease the transition period.
-[X] House Roxton
--[X] Keep the town under Imperial administration.
-[X] Reasoning:
--[X] This step might seem bewildering to some in Westeros, much like how the hereditary nobles you landed in Essos have been to the magisters there. The lordships of Westeros are not the city states of Essos after all. However, the magisters have seen the wisdom in those actions after some time and likewise will nobles see the wisdom of self-governing cities.
--[X] That is the promise of the Imperium. Not change for changes sake, but to improve upon what exists with measured steps. There is much that Essos and Westeros can learn from each other and if all citizens work together, pooling their experiences and knowledge, then the sum will become much greater than the constituent parts.
--[X] If somebody still has the balls and the lack of brains to openly complain, flatly tell them that the best insurance against having your fiefs seized by the crown or allowed to self-govern is to not be a traitor. There are many lords who have found not-being-a-traitor to be an overall good strategy.
[X] Plan Reasoning
-[X] House Meadows
--[X] Grant the land to Grassy Vale to make it a self-governing city with city charter.
--[X] The current mayor will continue to serve in that function, taking over the powers of the lordship in accordance with the Imperial Constitution.
--[X] In the future, the Mayor will be elected by the Council in the first session after their election.
--[X] Since the first election of Voices needs to be arranged and the lawmen and bureaucrats need to be appointed and will be busy for a while, the election of the new Mayor will be postponed. It will be held 6 months after the first session of the Council to ease the transition period.
-[X] House Roxton
--[X] Keep the town under Imperial administration.
-[X] Reasoning:
--[X] This step might seem bewildering to some in Westeros, much like how the hereditary nobles you landed in Essos have been to the magisters there. The lordships of Westeros are not the city states of Essos after all. However, the magisters have seen the wisdom in those actions after some time and likewise will nobles see the wisdom of self-governing cities.
--[X] That is the promise of the Imperium. Not change for changes sake, but to improve upon what exists with measured steps. There is much that Essos and Westeros can learn from each other and if all citizens work together, pooling their experiences and knowledge, then the sum will become much greater than the constituent parts.
--[X] If somebody still has the balls and the lack of brains to openly complain, flatly tell them that the best insurance against having your fiefs seized by the crown or allowed to self-govern is to not be a traitor. There are many lords who have found not-being-a-traitor to be an overall good strategy.
- Location
- ?????????
[X] Azel
- Location
- Texas
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X] Azel