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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Duesal said:
The Imperator only eats the finest of minions. Not the undercooked filibusters. They are for lesser dragons. :p
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you are correct of course , I apologize for my plebian idea only specify created minions so loyal as to be grateful to be devoured to appease even a modicum of our peckishness(as they should) with maximized taste and nutritional value for our Imperator
 
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Crake said:
I think most English speakers actually recognize Latin and can associate meaning easier than they can Greek, for one thing. At least in America, can't say if the same is the case for elsewhere.
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I can attest to this. Latin is far easier for me to pick up on than Greek. @Azel, if you're picking a dead language I'd appreciate it if you leaned more towards Latin.
 
I'm not sure I grasp the reason for establishing this. We already have a system in place for managing the political actions of various levels of nobility, so adding this as a chew toy seems unnecessary. It's not like we actually need or want their input on anything, and whatever structure we use will give a strong enough implication of power to form a trellis for dissent.
 
Crake said:
My modified write-up axed the concept of a second tier to the legislative body, actually.
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Looking at it you still give the nobility a platform and a right to vote on things, which is enough to imply power. Why not specifically deny them the implied right to set policy and instead frame it as presenting arguments before their Imperator?
 
BronzeTongue said:
Looking at it you still give the nobility a platform and a right to vote on things, which is enough to imply power. Why not specifically deny them the implied right to set policy and instead frame it as presenting arguments before their Imperator?
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*sigh* I think that's mostly an artifact of the original write-up, when I explicitly intended upon a political body directly representing the nobility's interests.

If I just frame things to discuss how the Imperial Council works (with the representatives being functionaries or elected officials) included in the preamble to the rest of the topics, we wouldn't need to discuss whether or not the nobility is going to have much of a say.

But upon examining this whole discussion, the original reason I designed a House of Lords equivalent in the first place was because the Council system doesn't seem to do much more than allow the general masses get a little token representation from populists, and allow the top functionaries in our government to act as a Sanity Measure for the kinds of proposals those populists bring up.

There's no one directly representing the interests of the nobility... which they are going to complain about. Which comes back to "we should have a seat on the Imperial Council / we should have OUR OWN political body since we are bluebloods and superior to the gentry and bureaucrats".

Because the minute you introduce the concept of noble representatives sharing space with the former two is the minute someone gets the bright idea that we take them about as seriously as we do the populists.
 
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I won't be taking questions.

Symvoúlio ton Kyrion
Kyrioi dioti AimaLord by BloodKyrioi dioti PsifosLord by VoteKyrioi dioti DiatagmaLord by DecreeKyrioi dioti AxiomaLord by OfficeKyrioi dioti ThiteiaLord by Military ServiceKyrioi dioti KrisiLord by JudgementKyrioi dioti MageiaLord by MagicEidikos KyrioiSpecial Lords
Curia Princeps
Princeps SanguisFirst of the BloodPrinceps SuffragiumFirst of the VotePrinceps DecretumFirst of the DecreePrinceps OfficiumFirst of the OfficePrinceps MilitiumFirst of the MilitaryPrinceps IurisFirst of the LawPrinceps MagusFirst SorcererPrinceps PeculiariFirst of Special Concern
Duchy of Bear IsleMormontRepublic of BraavosElected Sealord (King)Governorship of SkagosAppointedCensorAlinorLeader of the Palace Guard / Princeps PraetoriSandor CleganeFirst of the High Court of Law / Princeps Excelsus IudiciumMalarysHigh Headmisstress / Excelsus PraeceptorTeanaGrand MaesterMarwyn
Duchy of Last RiverUmberAndalosvote held by BraavosGovernorship of Stony ShoreAppointedMinistry of AdministrationAppointedArmy MarshallAppointedHigh Judge / Excelsus IudiceAppointedHeadmaster of Tyrosh???Steward of the Imperial LandsMonford Valerion
Duchy of the DreadlandsBoltonPentosvote held by PentosGovernorship of the Verdant ValesAppointedMinistry of TaxationAppointedArmy MarshallAppointedHigh Judge / Excelsus IudiceAppointedHeadmaster of Lys???Lord Commander of the Nights WatchJeor Mormont
Duchy of the WinderlandsStarkTriumvirate of LorathElected TriumvirateGovernorship of the Golden MountainsAppointedMinistry of PropagandaAppointedArmy MarshallAppointedHigh Judge / Excelsus IudiceAppointedHeadmaster of Pentos???Representative of the Iron BankLady Uraka
Duchy of the WhitelandsManderlyRepublic of MyrBicameral (House of Commons, House of Lords)Governorship of the MidlandsAppointedMinistry of TradeAppointedArmy MarshallAppointedHigh Judge / Excelsus IudiceAppointedHeadmaster of Braavos???
Duchy of the NeckReedArchontia of Valysarvote held by VolantisGovernorship of the Northern CrownlandsAppointedMinistry of WarAppointedArmy MarshallAppointedPrinceps InquisitorGarinHeadmaster of Mantarys???
Duchy of RunestoneRoyceArchontia of Selhorysvote held by VolantisGovernorship of the HeartlandsAppointedMinistry of Public WorksAppointedAir Force MarshallAppointedLord InquisitorBloodravenHeadmaster of Tolos???
Duchy of the Iron IslesAsha GreyjoyArchontia of Volantiselected (on paper) as Hegemon of VolantisGovernorship of the Southern CrownlandsAppointedMinistry of EducationAppointedLeader of the Mysterium???
Duchy of the ForksWalder Prime of House FreyArchontia of SaathelectedGovernorship of Red LakeAppointedMinistry of MagicAppointedFirst Glassblower? (Myr)???
Duchy of Greater DarryDarryGovernorship of the MarchesAppointedMinistry of DiplomacyAppointedFirst Fleshsmith / Excelsus Viscera Plastes (Gogossos)???
Duchy of GreyportTheon GreyjoyGovernorship of Ghoyan DroheAppointedMinistry of JusticeAppointed
Duchy of the MandervaleTyrellGovernorship of the Disputed LandsAppointedMinistry of HealthAppointed
Duchy of OldtownHightowerGovernorship of MantarysAppointed
Duchy of the ArborRedwyneGovernorship of TolosAppointed
Duchy of the StormlandsBaratheon
Duchy of Western Dornevote held by Eastern Dorne
Duchy of Eastern DorneMartell as Prince of Dorne (King)
Duchy of the RhoyneSandviper
Duchy of OmberBlack Walder Frey
Duchy of SalloshForgot His Name
Total
20​
Total
9​
Total
14​
Total
12​
Total
7​
Total
7​
Total
10​
Total
4​
Grand Total
83​

Symvoúlio ton Foni
Curia Vox
SourceNumber of VoicesNotes
43 Duchy Level Titles
129​
5 Imperial Counties
15​
Dragonstone, Tarth, Tyrosh, Stepstones, Lys
5 Minorities
5​
Minotaurs, Children of the Forest, Giants, Triton, Outsiders (Archons)
Total
149​

I actually will take questions, but first I need to get myself something to eat.

There's a bunch of things I wanted to reform in our government to account for the stupendous size we reached, which was mostly rolled into this. Lower and upper house of a purely advisory body.
Rules, stuff and shite when I have eaten.

Take note how I stacked it and what the power balance is.
 
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Crake said:
*sigh* I think that's mostly an artifact of the original write-up, when I explicitly intended upon a political body directly representing the nobility's interests.

If I just frame things to discuss how the Imperial Council works (with the representatives being functionaries or elected officials) included in the preamble to the rest of the topics, we wouldn't need to discuss whether or not the nobility is going to have much of a say.

But upon examining this whole discussion, the original reason I designed a House of Lords equivalent in the first place was because the Council system doesn't seem to do much more than allow the general masses get a little token representation from populists, and allow the top functionaries in our government to act as a Sanity Measure for the kinds of proposals those populists bring up.

There's no one directly representing the interests of the nobility... which they are going to complain about. Which comes back to "we should have a seat on the Imperial Council / we should have OUR OWN political body since we are bluebloods and superior to the gentry and bureaucrats".

Because the minute you introduce the concept of noble representatives sharing space with the former two is the minute someone gets the bright idea that we take them about as seriously as we do the populists.
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Be we still have a (somewhat) traditional court in play for them to tool around in. As long as we allow most of of them to have someone present there they'll have the sort of informal representation that they're used to already.

I'd rather deal with any lingering complaints past that than give them an organizing point that provides a basis for consolidating politics power.
 
@Crake just for the sake of clarity, one of the reasons I'm so against anything like this is that it strongly reminds me of some of the historical trends that led the British monarchy to lose almost all real power.

Stuff like this establishes that the lords are allowed to have control over the central government to some degree, and over time can lead to them believing that it's a fundamental right. Then we have to start worrying about being compelled to follow their instructions on pain of giving their social class a "just cause" to rebel. Which isn't a big deal now, but in 500 years or so they wont be peasants in dingy castles any more.
 
BronzeTongue said:
Be we still have a (somewhat) traditional court in play for them to tool around in. As long as we allow most of of them to have someone present there they'll have the sort of informal representation that they're used to already.
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Again, there's the matter of optics. The Outer Court exists as the place where people can pretend to be important, I'm not actually sure how good Rhaella has been at creating a veil around the whole situation where people don't realize there's a whole other layer to things and they are missing out on what goes on in the Inner Court, where actual substantive things occur and people's opinions matter.

I'm assuming "fairly good", and if there's anyone reasonably competent out there who would near immediately know they are being kept in the kiddy pool, they'd likely be approached and offered a seat with the adults.

But this stuff still has to be observed. The problem with introducing an elected body in any shape or form is that equal representation under the law cuts both ways, and nobles are used to being above the law in practice, and in form definitely considered of superior worth. We should still have to shut down attempts to form a rallying point against things the Crown does that people don't want, because that has been the primary interest of the landed nobility when it comes to interacting with the Targaryens. They will begrudgedly pay taxes. They will sometimes pretend to follow new laws that effect the whole realm (First Night prohibition is ignored in some places, and of course no one actually punishes the nobility for raping commoners without any special pretext).

What we are doing is changing... literally every standard by which they subscribe the notion of 'privilege' to.

We need to play that all out IC. One reaction to doing so: "We want checks and balances on your power."

So our response? Stack the deck in our favor, and then keep a veto stamp on our desk.
 
BronzeTongue said:
@Crake just for the sake of clarity, one of the reasons I'm so against anything like this is that it strongly reminds me of some of the historical trends that led the British monarchy to lose almost all real power.

Stuff like this establishes that the lords are allowed to have control over the central government to some degree, and over time can lead to them believing that it's a fundamental right. Then we have to start worrying about being compelled to follow their instructions on pain of giving their social class a "just cause" to rebel. Which isn't a big deal now, but in 500 years or so they wont be peasants in dingy castles any more.
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There's a bunch of factors effecting this which are wildly different than the British monarchy's. For one thing, all of those things that happened to them were imposed on them by force by their vassals. Their erosion of power over time even got knocked back a bit when they centralized their government a whole bunch and started relying on functionaries more than the nobility.

Viserys is running a realm in a constant state of war and readiness for war, with obvious existential threats, and a nearly-divine, and soon to be outright divine reputation and presentation.

Not only that, but to more directly address the rub of your point, this is unavoidable. The nobility, at the base, wanted to limit what the Targaryen King could actually do with his Empire-tier title, which eventually made it pretty much empty since the Targs got distracted by boning each other, basically, and stopped caring about advancing their power.

The goal is to present a fait accompli to everyone with any representation, firmly define our right to do shit, and then present their right to complain about it.

Otherwise, if we blatantly go the route of "no checks, no balances", we should probably look forward to constant, low-level unrest, at least in Westeros. Essos seems to be busy adjusting to many changes, or else using our conquering tendencies to advance their own interests economically to care about special privileges.
 
Crake said:
"we should have a seat on the Imperial Council / we should have OUR OWN political body since we are bluebloods and superior to the gentry and bureaucrats".
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Objectively untrue in fact the gentry and bureaucrats can state that they earned their postions through skill and merit putting them above the nobles while the "Nobility" got theirs by virtue of being born lucky and resting on the laurels of more accomplished predecessors
Crake said:
Because the minute you introduce the concept of noble representatives sharing space with the former two is the minute someone gets the bright idea that we take them about as seriously as we do the populists.
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which is the complete and honest truth and a good reminder that it would be an annoying if trivial effort to have them removed and they are not irreplaceable making it clear exactly how much their "ancient noble rights" in the new world order matter which is to say not at all
 
[X] Azel

Curious, will we be doing anything with the God's Eye? Like declare it protected under the Crown and such in Riverlands alongside likely later protected wild lands?
 
Crake said:
We need to play that all out IC. One reaction to doing so: "We want checks and balances on your power."

So our response? Stack the deck in our favor, and then keep a veto stamp on our desk.
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They can want it all they like, but we don't actually need to give it to them. They aren't starting from a cultural point where they expect this sort of thing, and if we manage it right then they won't head down that direction.

Once we enshrine the idea that they have a right to control over politics as a group outside of whatever they can earn from the imperial throne we establish the foundation of a faction that will eventually start curtailing Viserys' personal power.
 
BronzeTongue said:
They can want it all they like, but we don't actually need to give it to them. They aren't starting from a cultural point where they expect this sort of thing, and if we manage it right then they won't head down that direction.

Once we enshrine the idea that they have a right to control over politics as a group outside of whatever they can earn from the imperial throne we establish the foundation of a faction that will eventually start curtailing Viserys' personal power.
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This is the natural end state for any monarchy with centralized authority and absolute power which doesn't manage to cow their vassals sufficiently.

Just saying "no" will encourage us to waste resources. I will remind you: We intended upon gradually replacing the nobility over time when lineages died out with regular appointed officials. But we can't do that now, because we need Westeros functioning and contributing to our military industrial complex and economy right now.

I would be FUCKING ASTONISHED if a group of Lords didn't recognize this and try to present a coherent counter-plan to us that is vastly less palatable than anything we propose as a fait accompli.
 
Crake said:
I would be FUCKING ASTONISHED if a group of Lords didn't recognize this and try to present a coherent counter-plan to us that is vastly less palatable than anything we propose as a fait accompli.
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these are the conquered and the defeated they are in no position to make/demand/impose or even request any sort of terms on their conquer doubly so when you take into account the sheer disparity in power between us and the nobles remember we conquered them over the course of a single night not even a day but a night , they are fully aware that any form of resistance or opposition would never amount to an actual threat being at worst an inconvenience a minor one at that , to summarize they have no leverage by which to deny any sort imposition we put on them and by the time that changes it will have become the new normal
 
Crake said:
This is the natural end state for any monarchy with centralized authority and absolute power which doesn't manage to cow their vassals sufficiently.

Just saying "no" will encourage us to waste resources. I will remind you: We intended upon gradually replacing the nobility over time when lineages died out with regular appointed officials. But we can't do that now, because we need Westeros functioning and contributing to our military industrial complex and economy right now.

I would be FUCKING ASTONISHED if a group of Lords didn't recognize this and try to present a coherent counter-plan to us that is vastly less palatable than anything we propose as a fait accompli.
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You talk about saying no like they're even thinking of asking right now. They don't even have the context for participating in this sort of politics yet, and are still heavily biased towards the relations based system of the outer court.

I doubt most of them would even dream of demanding control over what they're likely internalizing as aspects of the king's direct property. They night in the future, but with all the threats we've got rolling up we have plenty of external pressure to keep them focused until after they're so used to our system they don't know another way to live.


Collapses like this are only natural end points because they're the consequence of sequential failed monarchs in a dynasty, which Viserys doesn't have to worry about. Deliberately setting this up is giving away more control than we need to.
 
Fair enough. I don't disagree with everything you're putting out there.

I do think we need to have some semblance of a plan put together for this exact situation, but I am willing to let sleeping dogs lie if that's what the thread wants to do.

Proviso to that being, eventually the dog wakes up.
 
Azel said:
I won't be taking questions.

Symvoúlio ton Kyrion
Kyrioi dioti AimaLord by BloodKyrioi dioti PsifosLord by VoteKyrioi dioti DiatagmaLord by DecreeKyrioi dioti AxiomaLord by OfficeKyrioi dioti ThiteiaLord by Military ServiceKyrioi dioti KrisiLord by JudgementKyrioi dioti MageiaLord by MagicEidikos KyrioiSpecial Lords
Curia Princeps
Princeps SanguisFirst of the BloodPrinceps SuffragiumFirst of the VotePrinceps DecretumFirst of the DecreePrinceps OfficiumFirst of the OfficePrinceps MilitiumFirst of the MilitaryPrinceps IurisFirst of the LawPrinceps MagusFirst SorcererPrinceps PeculiariFirst of Special Concern
Duchy of Bear IsleMormontRepublic of BraavosElected Sealord (King)Governorship of SkagosAppointedCensorAlinorLeader of the Palace Guard / Princeps PraetoriSandor CleganeFirst of the High Court of Law / Princeps Excelsus IudiciumMalarysHigh Headmisstress / Excelsus PraeceptorTeanaGrand MaesterMarwyn
Duchy of Last RiverUmberAndalosvote held by BraavosGovernorship of Stony ShoreAppointedMinistry of AdministrationAppointedArmy MarshallAppointedHigh Judge / Excelsus IudiceAppointedHeadmaster of Tyrosh???Steward of the Imperial LandsMonford Valerion
Duchy of the DreadlandsBoltonPentosvote held by PentosGovernorship of the Verdant ValesAppointedMinistry of TaxationAppointedArmy MarshallAppointedHigh Judge / Excelsus IudiceAppointedHeadmaster of Lys???Lord Commander of the Nights WatchJeor Mormont
Duchy of the WinderlandsStarkTriumvirate of LorathElected TriumvirateGovernorship of the Golden MountainsAppointedMinistry of PropagandaAppointedArmy MarshallAppointedHigh Judge / Excelsus IudiceAppointedHeadmaster of Pentos???Representative of the Iron BankLady Uraka
Duchy of the WhitelandsManderlyRepublic of MyrBicameral (House of Commons, House of Lords)Governorship of the MidlandsAppointedMinistry of TradeAppointedArmy MarshallAppointedHigh Judge / Excelsus IudiceAppointedHeadmaster of Braavos???
Duchy of the NeckReedArchontia of Valysarvote held by VolantisGovernorship of the Northern CrownlandsAppointedMinistry of WarAppointedArmy MarshallAppointedPrinceps InquisitorGarinHeadmaster of Mantarys???
Duchy of RunestoneRoyceArchontia of Selhorysvote held by VolantisGovernorship of the HeartlandsAppointedMinistry of Public WorksAppointedAir Force MarshallAppointedLord InquisitorBloodravenHeadmaster of Tolos???
Duchy of the Iron IslesAsha GreyjoyArchontia of Volantiselected (on paper) as Hegemon of VolantisGovernorship of the Southern CrownlandsAppointedMinistry of EducationAppointedLeader of the Mysterium???
Duchy of the ForksWalder Prime of House FreyArchontia of SaathelectedGovernorship of Red LakeAppointedMinistry of MagicAppointedFirst Glassblower? (Myr)???
Duchy of Greater DarryDarryGovernorship of the MarchesAppointedMinistry of DiplomacyAppointedFirst Fleshsmith / Excelsus Viscera Plastes (Gogossos)???
Duchy of GreyportTheon GreyjoyGovernorship of Ghoyan DroheAppointedMinistry of JusticeAppointed
Duchy of the MandervaleTyrellGovernorship of the Disputed LandsAppointedMinistry of HealthAppointed
Duchy of OldtownHightowerGovernorship of MantarysAppointed
Duchy of the ArborRedwyneGovernorship of TolosAppointed
Duchy of the StormlandsBaratheon
Duchy of Western Dornevote held by Eastern Dorne
Duchy of Eastern DorneMartell as Prince of Dorne (King)
Duchy of the RhoyneSandviper
Duchy of OmberBlack Walder Frey
Duchy of SalloshForgot His Name
Total
20​
Total
9​
Total
14​
Total
12​
Total
7​
Total
7​
Total
10​
Total
4​
Grand Total
83​

Symvoúlio ton Foni
Curia Vox
SourceNumber of VoicesNotes
43 Duchy Level Titles
129​
5 Imperial Counties
15​
Dragonstone, Tarth, Tyrosh, Stepstones, Lys
5 Minorities
5​
Minotaurs, Children of the Forest, Giants, Triton, Outsiders (Archons)
Total
149​

I actually will take questions, but first I need to get myself something to eat.

There's a bunch of things I wanted to reform in our government to account for the stupendous size we reached, which was mostly rolled into this. Lower and upper house of a purely advisory body.
Rules, stuff and shite when I have eaten.

Take note how I stacked it and what the power balance is.
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Alright:

1. Why?
@Crake has a point that the scheming is inevitable and that a lot of lords will inevitable be pissed when they notice that we don't care about their opinions. This here is a suitable play pen to avoid that without giving them much actual input.
Also, it gives our court some proper structure instead of the informal mess it is right now. I mean that IC as well as OOC. It feels as if we never left the Windward House, where we had Alinor keep the kitchen stocked while Gerold made sure nobody stole from us while we were gallivanting around to talk with people 1 on 1. That's largely because DP every only uses singular people for things and I just hope that by plastering a bunch of names over the political system and putting them all on a structured list, he might have an easier time to run actual faction politics here.

2. How?
The Curia is wholly advisory. They can discus things, vote on when and how to discuss things, compel each other to testify about something by vote, compel each other to shut up and switch the topic by vote, and generally mostly generate a lot of noise. The Curia will always be in session, but that doesn't mean everyone sitting there has to be present. Votes can be delegated, either to aides or to other Curia members, so odds are, a bunch of people will rarely show up and just delegate their votes to the people they align themselves with. Likewise, Viserys will usually not be present and instead just get a summary.

Important topics will be discussed in full session with Viserys actively presiding over and managing things. This will be much closer to the Small Council in function, just with a lot more people, since there are a lot more levers of power in the Imperium than there ever were in Westeros.

3. Who are those people?
CensorAlinor
Ministry of AdministrationAppointed
Ministry of TaxationAppointed
Ministry of PropagandaAppointed
Ministry of TradeAppointed
Ministry of WarAppointed
Ministry of Public WorksAppointed
Ministry of EducationAppointed
Ministry of MagicAppointed
Ministry of DiplomacyAppointed
Ministry of JusticeAppointed
Ministry of HealthAppointed
Right now, Alinor is the vaguely defined head of pretty much the entire bureaucracy. That's both insane and untenable.
Instead, differend concerns are doled out to different Ministries, headed by a Minister, and Alinor will move to the left and get the new office of Censor. That means she can, at any point, audit, question or order the ministers around and act as the proxy for Viserys. So this mostly lowers her workload since she can ignore the unproblematic areas and focus on problems instead of spending most of her time trying to juggle being the final decider for most of the realm.

Leader of the Palace Guard / Princeps PraetoriSandor Clegane
Army MarshallAppointed
Army MarshallAppointed
Army MarshallAppointed
Army MarshallAppointed
Army MarshallAppointed
Air Force MarshallAppointed
Sandor is there to pad the votes in our favor and because Praetori involving themselves in politics is tradition.
Reorganizing the military will come with new commanders, since the current leadership is bloating out of control. Those people should also get to voice their concerns in the Curia when not on campaign.

First of the High Court of Law / Princeps Excelsus IudiciumMalarys
High Judge / Excelsus IudiceAppointed
High Judge / Excelsus IudiceAppointed
High Judge / Excelsus IudiceAppointed
High Judge / Excelsus IudiceAppointed
Princeps InquisitorGarin
Lord InquisitorBloodraven
Viserys rarely judges stuff despite being the highest judge in the realm. Time to plug that plot hole and to establish a supreme court. Malarys would be the shoe-in for Chief Justice.
Court would mostly concern itself with high profile cases and important law jurispudence, with the final appeal step being Viserys.
As the de facto investigative body of the realm, the Inquisition also gets seats.

High Headmisstress / Excelsus PraeceptorTeana
Headmaster of Tyrosh???
Headmaster of Lys???
Headmaster of Pentos???
Headmaster of Braavos???
Headmaster of Mantarys???
Headmaster of Tolos???
Leader of the Mysterium???
First Glassblower? (Myr)???
First Fleshsmith / Excelsus Viscera Plastes (Gogossos)???
Formalizing Teana as the overall leader of the Scholarium system to better exert control over the more independent branches like the Mysterium and the Glassblower Guild.
Also, should formally recognize someone in Gogossos as Sickest Bastard Of Them All and start training more fleshsmiths.

Grand MaesterMarwyn
Steward of the Imperial LandsMonford Valerion
Lord Commander of the Nights WatchJeor Mormont
Representative of the Iron BankLady Uraka
Mawyn - Temporary posting until the purging of Oldtown is done, then he will be Headmaster there.
Monford - Permanent posting, since we have a Ducal title worth of provinces that need administrating.
Mormont - Coordinating for the Long Night and formal sign of the Nights Watch getting integrated with the Imperial Military.
Uraka - Representative of our central bank.
 
Mind you that what I cooked up here is not, by any stretch of the imagination, a House of Lords. It's an advisory body of which more than half is straight up appointed by us. Appointments we can revoke at will. Or we order Garin and Bloodraven to revoke them quietly.

It's also a nice tool to quietly strangle the nobility over the coming decades and centuries, as it gives incentive to our appointed officials to work against the hereditary title holders so that their titles become appointed too. If a hearing is held to have the curia give input on whom to appoint to an empty governorship, then they can use that for some corruption and cronyism within the informally approved boundaries of these things. So they have incentive to make empty governorship's. Which means we get free fig-leaves to dismantle the remnants of the nobility.
 
Azel said:
Alright:

1. Why?
@Crake has a point that the scheming is inevitable and that a lot of lords will inevitable be pissed when they notice that we don't care about their opinions. This here is a suitable play pen to avoid that without giving them much actual input.
Also, it gives our court some proper structure instead of the informal mess it is right now. I mean that IC as well as OOC. It feels as if we never left the Windward House, where we had Alinor keep the kitchen stocked while Gerold made sure nobody stole from us while we were gallivanting around to talk with people 1 on 1. That's largely because DP every only uses singular people for things and I just hope that by plastering a bunch of names over the political system and putting them all on a structured list, he might have an easier time to run actual faction politics here.

2. How?
The Curia is wholly advisory. They can discus things, vote on when and how to discuss things, compel each other to testify about something by vote, compel each other to shut up and switch the topic by vote, and generally mostly generate a lot of noise. The Curia will always be in session, but that doesn't mean everyone sitting there has to be present. Votes can be delegated, either to aides or to other Curia members, so odds are, a bunch of people will rarely show up and just delegate their votes to the people they align themselves with. Likewise, Viserys will usually not be present and instead just get a summary.

Important topics will be discussed in full session with Viserys actively presiding over and managing things. This will be much closer to the Small Council in function, just with a lot more people, since there are a lot more levers of power in the Imperium than there ever were in Westeros.

3. Who are those people?
CensorAlinor
Ministry of AdministrationAppointed
Ministry of TaxationAppointed
Ministry of PropagandaAppointed
Ministry of TradeAppointed
Ministry of WarAppointed
Ministry of Public WorksAppointed
Ministry of EducationAppointed
Ministry of MagicAppointed
Ministry of DiplomacyAppointed
Ministry of JusticeAppointed
Ministry of HealthAppointed
Right now, Alinor is the vaguely defined head of pretty much the entire bureaucracy. That's both insane and untenable.
Instead, differend concerns are doled out to different Ministries, headed by a Minister, and Alinor will move to the left and get the new office of Censor. That means she can, at any point, audit, question or order the ministers around and act as the proxy for Viserys. So this mostly lowers her workload since she can ignore the unproblematic areas and focus on problems instead of spending most of her time trying to juggle being the final decider for most of the realm.

Leader of the Palace Guard / Princeps PraetoriSandor Clegane
Army MarshallAppointed
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Army MarshallAppointed
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Air Force MarshallAppointed
Sandor is there to pad the votes in our favor and because Praetori involving themselves in politics is tradition.
Reorganizing the military will come with new commanders, since the current leadership is bloating out of control. Those people should also get to voice their concerns in the Curia when not on campaign.

First of the High Court of Law / Princeps Excelsus IudiciumMalarys
High Judge / Excelsus IudiceAppointed
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Princeps InquisitorGarin
Lord InquisitorBloodraven
Viserys rarely judges stuff despite being the highest judge in the realm. Time to plug that plot hole and to establish a supreme court. Malarys would be the shoe-in for Chief Justice.
Court would mostly concern itself with high profile cases and important law jurispudence, with the final appeal step being Viserys.
As the de facto investigative body of the realm, the Inquisition also gets seats.

High Headmisstress / Excelsus PraeceptorTeana
Headmaster of Tyrosh???
Headmaster of Lys???
Headmaster of Pentos???
Headmaster of Braavos???
Headmaster of Mantarys???
Headmaster of Tolos???
Leader of the Mysterium???
First Glassblower? (Myr)???
First Fleshsmith / Excelsus Viscera Plastes (Gogossos)???
Formalizing Teana as the overall leader of the Scholarium system to better exert control over the more independent branches like the Mysterium and the Glassblower Guild.
Also, should formally recognize someone in Gogossos as Sickest Bastard Of Them All and start training more fleshsmiths.

Grand MaesterMarwyn
Steward of the Imperial LandsMonford Valerion
Lord Commander of the Nights WatchJeor Mormont
Representative of the Iron BankLady Uraka
Mawyn - Temporary posting until the purging of Oldtown is done, then he will be Headmaster there.
Monford - Permanent posting, since we have a Ducal title worth of provinces that need administrating.
Mormont - Coordinating for the Long Night and formal sign of the Nights Watch getting integrated with the Imperial Military.
Uraka - Representative of our central bank.
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Would we want to have any cross membership here, for lack of a better term? For example, Uraka serving as Representative of the Imperial Bank while also being Minister of Taxation, Teana serving as High Headmistress of the Scholarium and Minister of Magic, Malarys as First of the High Court and Minister of Justice, etc.

Of course these don't need to be paired together and I'm sure there are plenty of reasons to keep them separate, but some of them do seem like they would go hand in hand with one another.
 
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