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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Azel said:
I got that, but the Imperial Council does not include lords, so you are still assembling a different body for the express purpose of law making. A few of them will get the idea that this should be a regular thing.
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Oh, well, I mean, won't they naturally upon recognition of the Voice system and the Imperial Council?

I get your concern, but maybe you should be the one to phrase how we call the Summit into order without making it apparent this is about law making? Since we're the one making all of the laws. I don't see at any point in my writing where I implied the Lords would be suggesting anything, so I thought it was pretty authoritarian from where I'm standing?
 
Crake said:
Oh, well, I mean, won't they naturally upon recognition of the Voice system and the Imperial Council?

I get your concern, but maybe you should be the one to phrase how we call the Summit into order without making it apparent this is about law making? Since we're the one making all of the laws. I don't see at any point in my writing where I implied the Lords would be suggesting anything, so I thought it was pretty authoritarian from where I'm standing?
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No. The Council itself is just elected Voices from the Ducal-tier councils. Lowest tier of Council is 1 elected, 1 Lawmen leader and 1 bureaucrat per district of a barony. Barony tier council elects a few of their members to the County level council and so on, until they get to sit in the Imperial Palace and feel important. No lords present at all. Nobles can't be elected voices. The council will nigh-exclusively be public servants who managed to leverage their position into connections and power, and Gentry who pretty much just buy their seats.
 
Azel said:
No. The Council itself is just elected Voices from the Ducal-tier councils. Lowest tier of Council is 1 elected, 1 Lawmen leader and 1 bureaucrat per district of a barony. Barony tier council elects a few of their members to the County level council and so on, until they get to sit in the Imperial Palace and feel important. No lords present at all. Nobles can't be elected voices. The council will nigh-exclusively be public servants who managed to leverage their position into connections and power, and Gentry who pretty much just buy their seats.
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Suggestions for framing that section of the vote then?
 
@Crake, make it formal and weigh it up so that things will always go our way, unless we are actively trying to do something stupid that everyone hates. More "Estates General". This draft will need time. I need to count shit.
 
[X] A(za)zel, the scapegoat for the sins of our poor planning
 
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I need a title for a group of people who will be... let's call them Senators in function.

Suggestions:
Princeps - Latin - Purely ornamental roman title meaning "First" of something.
Kyrios / Kyrioi - Greek - Lord, Master, Owner - Used for Jesus in many ancient biblical texts. Used to be the patriarch of a family unit in ancient greece.
Aristos / Aristoi - Greek - Should be pretty obvious what this means.

@Crake, it's your show.
@DragonParadox, those titles should be unused and untainted so far, though I did call Sandor Princeps in a vote once, but I think it never entered intot he narrative. Princeps Praetori would be "First Praetorian", which is the title you keep using for him.
 
Azel said:
I need a title for a group of people who will be... let's call them Senators in function.

Suggestions:
Princeps - Latin - Purely ornamental roman title meaning "First" of something.
Kyrios / Kyrioi - Greek - Lord, Master, Owner - Used for Jesus in many ancient biblical texts. Used to be the patriarch of a family unit in ancient greece.
Aristos / Aristoi - Greek - Should be pretty obvious what this means.

@Crake, it's your show.
@DragonParadox, those titles should be unused and untainted so far, though I did call Sandor Princeps in a vote once, but I think it never entered intot he narrative. Princeps Praetori would be "First Praetorian", which is the title you keep using for him.
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What about calling them Proctors?
 
Azel said:
I need a title for a group of people who will be... let's call them Senators in function.

Suggestions:
Princeps - Latin - Purely ornamental roman title meaning "First" of something.
Kyrios / Kyrioi - Greek - Lord, Master, Owner - Used for Jesus in many ancient biblical texts. Used to be the patriarch of a family unit in ancient greece.
Aristos / Aristoi - Greek - Should be pretty obvious what this means.

@Crake, it's your show.
@DragonParadox, those titles should be unused and untainted so far, though I did call Sandor Princeps in a vote once, but I think it never entered intot he narrative. Princeps Praetori would be "First Praetorian", which is the title you keep using for him.
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Why not just call them Senators?
 
Azel said:
I need a title for a group of people who will be... let's call them Senators in function.

Suggestions:
Princeps - Latin - Purely ornamental roman title meaning "First" of something.
Kyrios / Kyrioi - Greek - Lord, Master, Owner - Used for Jesus in many ancient biblical texts. Used to be the patriarch of a family unit in ancient greece.
Aristos / Aristoi - Greek - Should be pretty obvious what this means.

@Crake, it's your show.
@DragonParadox, those titles should be unused and untainted so far, though I did call Sandor Princeps in a vote once, but I think it never entered intot he narrative. Princeps Praetori would be "First Praetorian", which is the title you keep using for him.
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Okay, well, with the stringent limitation on the whole "do not call it a Senate, I swear to Christ" rule, can we please use a word that people can read in an update and immediately recognize and associate their purpose thereby? English is the predominant language on this site, also, kind of why if we need to have a rank above General it should probably just be Marshal, or even just Major General, etc.

How about any:

Delegate, or
Councilor, or
Representative...

I guess there's a reason why you are leaning on the Greek. Not much non-prosaic or unimaginative.
 
Crake said:
Okay, well, with the stringent limitation on the whole "do not call it a Senate, I swear to Christ" rule, can we please use a word that people can read in an update and immediately recognize and associate their purpose thereby? English is the predominant language on this site, also, kind of why if we need to have a rank above General it should probably just be Marshal, or even just Major General, etc.

How about any:

Delegate, or
Councilor, or
Representative...

I guess there's a reason why you are leaning on the Greek. Not much non-prosaic or unimaginative.
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Regarding the military titles, Marshal probably works best for the top rank.
mmgaballah said:
the emperor might be annoyed enough to eat them alive himself
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The Imperator only eats the finest of minions. Not the undercooked filibusters. They are for lesser dragons. :p
 
Crake said:
Okay, well, with the stringent limitation on the whole "do not call it a Senate, I swear to Christ" rule, can we please use a word that people can read in an update and immediately recognize and associate their purpose thereby? English is the predominant language on this site, also, kind of why if we need to have a rank above General it should probably just be Marshal, or even just Major General, etc.

How about any:

Delegate, or
Councilor, or
Representative...

I guess there's a reason why you are leaning on the Greek. Not much non-prosaic or unimaginative.
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The problem with that is that I'm not building something that maps neatly to any modern Democracy, so I need a term that is both IC and not pre-loaded with false assumptions about what they do.

I'm going with Kyrios. It's distinct enough to be recognizable and unless you are super into original greek biblical literature, you are unlikely to have preconceptions.

Or can I finally use Latin without people complaining about it? It sure would make things easier on me.
 
Azel said:
The problem with that is that I'm not building something that maps neatly to any modern Democracy, so I need a term that is both IC and not pre-loaded with false assumptions about what they do.

I'm going with Kyrios. It's distinct enough to be recognizable and unless you are super into original greek biblical literature, you are unlikely to have preconceptions.

Or can I finally use Latin without people complaining about it? It sure would make things easier on me.
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Just use the latin. That simplifies things greatly.
ryuan said:
So, is this punishment duty for our dragons?
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"The last guy never bathed!"
 
Azel said:
The problem with that is that I'm not building something that maps neatly to any modern Democracy, so I need a term that is both IC and not pre-loaded with false assumptions about what they do.

I'm going with Kyrios. It's distinct enough to be recognizable and unless you are super into original greek biblical literature, you are unlikely to have preconceptions.

Or can I finally use Latin without people complaining about it? It sure would make things easier on me.
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I think most English speakers actually recognize Latin and can associate meaning easier than they can Greek, for one thing. At least in America, can't say if the same is the case for elsewhere.
 
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