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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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People do know that we will negotiate things after the vote, right?

Things like say, the level of involvement in the Waystone project. We could simply contact various group and help them organizes themselves, carry messages and help negotiate how the whole thing would work. But it does not means we will need to be fully involved. We don't know that much about Waystones. But we do bring three things to the table: ability to translate more or less between Kudzul and at least Reikspiel for magical terms, Aethyric Vitae and a very good Windsight.
 
inbred martian said:
i just cant help but wonder why so many people want Makgraf when it is one of the only things we could realistically hand off to someone else and have it end fine. I mean out of all the other choices that we are the only options for or the person who has the most knowledge and expertise on the subject Vampire hunting doesnt exactly feel like something only we can handle and deal with especially since so many other wizards have been in the area for longer than us and probably much more qualified than us.
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Cause I actually want to do it, and I would like to return narratively to Silvania and aways from dwarves for a bit.

Also I just want to help Abelheims daughter even if she wasn't nice to us once, I like the chracter growth from her.
 
inbred martian said:
i just cant help but wonder why so many people want Makgraf when it is one of the only things we could realistically hand off to someone else and have it end fine. I mean out of all the other choices that we are the only options for or the person who has the most knowledge and expertise on the subject Vampire hunting doesnt exactly feel like something only we can handle and deal with especially since so many other wizards have been in the area for longer than us and probably much more qualified than us.
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Have you read Mathy's Traits? she is built for Vampire/ Necromancer fighting (personally or at the head of an army)

she is really the only one around that can take Mannfred von carstein in a fight that is not doing something else right now. (+20 to fighting necromancy)

out of all the options, Count of Sylvania and Markgarf are the ones were Mathy is not just on the list, she really is the top pick.

Edit: ok, we are almost as good at taking on Skaven.
 
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Deathbybunnies said:
If 5 years down the line we've cleaned things up a bit, we'll be able to go to Rosie and say "hey, the tricky part of the job's over, you might want to keep someone appointed to maintain this state of affairs though" and move on with our lives.
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Roswita: "Very well. I'm appointing you."
Mathilde: "Wot? :wtf:"

I doubt that kind of railroading would take place, but I can see Roswita Negaverse Questers voting for it.
 
Noitaerc said:
People do know that we will negotiate things after the vote, right?

Things like say, the level of involvement in the Waystone project. We could simply contact various group and help them organizes themselves, carry messages and help negotiate how the whole thing would work. But it does not means we will need to be fully involved. We don't know that much about Waystones. But we do bring three things to the table: ability to translate more or less between Kudzul and at least Reikspiel for magical terms, Aethyric Vitae and a very good Windsight.
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See but I specificaly do not want to read courier Matheld that has to herd Dwarven/Elven cats, I would rather do something we can do with out letting others do all the work while we stand politely aside.
 
Jyn Ryvia said:
Have you read Mathy's Traits? she is built for Vampire/ Necromancer fighting

she is really the only one around that can take Mannfred von carstein in a fight that is not doing something else right now.

out of all the options, Count of Sylvania and Markgarf are the ones were Mathy is not just on the list, she really is the top pick.
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She's the top pick for most of the options. Like, other people can do almost all of them, but she's wanted for all of them for a reason.

silentorphan said:
Roswita: "Very well. I'm appointing you."
Mathilde: "Wot? :wtf:"

I doubt that kind of railroading would take place, but I can see Roswita Negaverse Questers voting for it.
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Pretty sure Mathilde could just refuse.
 
inbred martian said:
i just cant help but wonder why so many people want Makgraf when it is one of the only things we could realistically hand off to someone else and have it end fine. I mean out of all the other choices that we are the only options for or the person who has the most knowledge and expertise on the subject Vampire hunting doesnt exactly feel like something only we can handle and deal with especially since so many other wizards have been in the area for longer than us and probably much more qualified than us.
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I'm voting for it because it's up there with waystones and I don't want that or LaL to win. I don't think it's something I'd enjoy doing right now, based on what people have characterized it as.
 
Jyn Ryvia said:
Have you read Mathy's Traits? she is built for Vampire/ Necromancer fighting

she is really the only one around that can take Mannfred von carstein in a fight that is not doing something else right now.
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You know she can drop what she doing and rush over and help should something like that happens and there're battle wizards to worry about since they're not idiots.
 
Jyn Ryvia said:
Have you read Mathy's Traits? she is built for Vampire/ Necromancer fighting (personally or at the head of an army)

she is really the only one around that can take Mannfred von carstein in a fight that is not doing something else right now.

out of all the options, Count of Sylvania and Markgarf are the ones were Mathy is not just on the list, she really is the top pick.

Edit: ok, we are almost as good at taking on Skaven.
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Is she? She'd certainly be good at it, but outside of crisis moments, most of what needs to be done in the position of Count or Markgarf is management of other people. She's good at that, but certainly not the best around and in a true, Mannfred has returned, crisis we could always take a pause from or head over to deal with it as part of a different job.

Personally, I think Mathilde would do better as Intriuge advisor to the Markgarf than as the Markgarf, since while doing that she would have more room to do personal troublestabbing.
 
Jrin said:
Makgraf is just commanding people as we stuck in one place with limited time for ourselves while Waystones is working meeting and with new people as we roam across the land like a adventurer with all the time to stop for research here and there or return home to see Pan anytime!
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Exactly. That's why I'm voting for Makgraf.

I came to this quest for court intrigue, not freelance adventuring.
 
Jrin said:
You know she can drop what she doing and rush over and help should something like that happens and there's battle wizards to worry about since they're not idiots.
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again, this is going into the territory of 'that can apply to most/any of the jobs'

she can just run off to help the prince/dwarfs/Nurm etc etc too.

but if we pick something to make her main concern.

she is strongest against Vampires and Skaven.

(if that's what you care about.)
 
Ugh. It's super disheartening to see Markgraf keep going up and up and up. At this point I've basically resigned myself to it winning and am trying to see the bright sides of it, but it's hard - if we take on a project like this, I fully expect to see Mathilde put 110% effort into it like she does with everything else, and that ends with her being in the position for another 50 years while having basically no free time for anything, because Sylvania is just that much of a dumpster fire and getting it up to shape is the work of decades.
 
Jyn Ryvia said:
Have you read Mathy's Traits? she is built for Vampire/ Necromancer fighting (personally or at the head of an army)

she is really the only one around that can take Mannfred von carstein in a fight that is not doing something else right now. (+20 to fighting necromancy)

out of all the options, Count of Sylvania and Markgarf are the ones were Mathy is not just on the list, she really is the top pick.

Edit: ok, we are almost as good at taking on Skaven.
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She may be near the top of the list for anti Necromancy work, i highly doubt she is anywhere near the top 5 however, but that doesnt mean there are plenty of competent or even better Wizards who could take this job since its mostly a Stewardship role. I mean if we are basing this on being top of list for problems the Skaven one we are the ONLY one qualified for. No one else understands them or speaks their language and has successfully turned them against each other. And for Bodyguard duty its less being a competent 24/7 bodyguard and more helping Ranalds plan come to fruition and making sure the royal family stays in power in case the Emperor is killed, and we are his most competent and able follower. Not to mention again being the ONLY Wizard able to travel the Karaz Ankor and be taken seriously and solve problems for the Dwarves while improving Human Dwarven relations.
 
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Silver Gambit said:
See but I specificaly do not want to read courier Matheld that has to herd Dwarven/Elven cats, I would rather do something we can do with out letting others do all the work while we stand politely aside.
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You know we do need go out find hidden local cults and Jade wizards and whatever groups that know or used Waystones in smart and unusual ways instead all Dwarven/Elven cat herding and unplug any missing links in the system should we find any anomalies as we open up the system to check for Waystone locations.
 
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SurpriseMe said:
Personally, I think Mathilde would do better as Intriuge advisor to the Markgarf than as the Markgarf, since while doing that she would have more room to do personal troublestabbing.
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The Markgarf is the Intrige/Martal adiver for Rose.

we are to stamp out vampires and vampire cults. that's the job.

We will have a Stwerd, so we can focus in on Martial (army building) and intrigue (Shadow war with the cultests)

that is without saying.

edit: framing it as the steward job is grossly misrepresenting the core of what its about.
 
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Jyn Ryvia said:
she is really the only one around that can take Mannfred von carstein in a fight that is not doing something else right now. (+20 to fighting necromancy)
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I think you're overestimating us. Just a bit.

Redshirt Army said:
Ugh. It's super disheartening to see Markgraf keep going up and up and up. At this point I've basically resigned myself to it winning and am trying to see the bright sides of it, but it's hard - if we take on a project like this, I fully expect to see Mathilde put 110% effort into it like she does with everything else, and that ends with her being in the position for another 50 years while having basically no free time for anything, because Sylvania is just that much of a dumpster fire and getting it up to shape is the work of decades.
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People said the same thing about K8P when we joined the expedition. I know there were extenuating circumstances surrounding that, but we didn't know that going in.
 
I'd say that if we're talking about which job she's most uniquely suited to, its Waystones, as something only she is in a position to even attempt.

She's also very well suited on the research side of it, with her Windsight and Windherder and understanding of Dhar*.

*before hugger gets too excited, I'm talking about her understanding of how to avoid making it.
 
Furthermore Waystones is basically a Loremaster job, so we can use 2-3 personals actions a turn and the rest for research on the side, like we did all this time, i very much doubt Sylvania will offer the same freedoms.
 
[X] Markgraf of Eastern Stirland
[X] Spymaster of Wissenland
[X] Bodyguard and Tutor to Prince Mandred
[X] Ranaldian High Priest of Kislev

Changing my vote. I'm not a fan of Edgelord but it's better than Waystones.
 
Darth. said:
Yes but like a later post of mine says, we could hand it off. And the same is agreed with in your quote directly after this.

Regardless this whole thing is a misunderstanding that pickle clarified. I thought the official goal of Waystones was to learn to create or repair them, not simply bring them online/tap into existing ones. That takes away my concern of it being a never-ending quest.

It does however not address the fact that off the 4 options on the running its tied with Loremaster for what I want least (although I am no longer in the anything but Waystones crowd. If anything I might be in the anything but Loremaster crowd now).

@picklepikkl I am now actually mildly tempted by Waystones now...Fuck. That's how my vote for Markgraf started. If I wake up tomorrow and vote Waystones I'm blaming you.
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The way I see it, Waystone might be a long project, but WE don't have to be the ones leading it forever.

My preferred approach for the project would be to spend our BOON on a huge multi-cultural research institute founded in K8P. The main challenges would be in securing collaboration between nations and races (Karaz Ankor, the Eonir and the Empire sure, but also aim for individual dragons, the WE, Tilea, Estalia, Bretonia, Arabia, Ulthan and even less likely options like the Slaan).

Expecting to "solve the waytones" might be unrealistic (possible but we shouldn't assume success), however, no other job aims for such a wide interspecies collaboration.

Such collaboration would become a huge boon should the END TIMES be coming and K8P is uniquely placed to foster collaboration with already 5 species living together harmoniously, an enlightened king, an abundance of wealth, a very fortified position and gyrocopter air travel.

The most important thing is setting the foundations, both for research and collaboration. Once this is done, we don't have to do everything ourselves, there will be plenty of talented people working on the project and we might name a successor that would keep us abreast of developpements and pursue other interests.
 
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Kliden said:
Mathilde absolutely is the best candidate for Markgraf, simply because Roswita trusts her.
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Mathilde has spoken to Roswita like 5 times total on-screen. It's touching that Roswita trusts us, but we are absolutely not the only one Roswita can trust, and arguably not even the best candidate for Markgraf given it's primarily a Stewardship/Diplomacy position, not a Magic/Learning/Intrigue one.
 
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