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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Jyn Ryvia said:
I tho k your joking, but just in case.

This is the last man standing vote, winner takes all.
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Hey, remember the loot vote in Teufelheim? We broke voter records, so in celebration Boney let us loot the dragon skull just for cosmetic purposes and coolness factor. Clearly, we will mount the skull of the first runner-up job to our gyrocarriage here as well :V
 
Valmond said:
Not having a law/precedent guru should be, i think, fairly exceptional for a king.
And i don't think oremaster is being pigdeonholed to a narrower set of responsibilities here, it's the opposite, Mathilde does one part of it, but not others.
Traditional loremaster would poke at weird shit, and then delegate to local engineers, runesmiths or priests if needed, but they would also be able to cite law and tradition when those matters come up, and not having them come up would be pretty weird.
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They have them, those people are not necessarily on the ruling council though.

No one person that fills the slot is ever going to be all of a Runelord/Engineer/Law Expert. There will be a specialty, but the job isn't a assumed to be a baseline of law expert with an extra of other things, with any diversion from the baseline assumed to be anomalous.

Jyn Ryvia said:
There is no real plot line we are signing up for with loremaster , just the promise of 'things'
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Every option is "Just Things" that can be spun as uncharitably as any poster feels like. This sort of framing is generally not all that productive a way forward though.
 
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The thing about LaL is I was talking about stopping and doing something else before it was cool. And my mind has not changed since then tough I did get to like bodyguard option more than I thought I would.
 
[x] Markgraf of Eastern Stirland
I view this option as the most likely to jbring growth to Mathilde as a person. We've already reached great heights for a mage and will never stop rising if we can help it. But of all the options I can think of, this will help Mathilde learn to interact with people on a deeper level like she has the dwarfs. Her time as Spymaster definitely helped, but was cut short. Her growth as a hero to all that will be the most interesting will be in Sylvania I believe.
 
Honeslty i low key wish High Priest of Ranald would win.

Doing it blind and trusting luck would be peak Ranald, so those who want Ranald stuff - check.
It is not dwarfs - check.
It has a clear vision and is not a random puttering about - check.
It is an important globally thing to do - check.
Ranald does not like staying in debt so we will get big divine shinies - check.
It probably involves fair amount of infiltration in order to win trust of Kislevite gods into Ranald by fighting common enemies - check.
It is still close enough to home we can commute to hang around with our gang - check.
If we get tired of "no dwarfs" we can go take a look at Karak Vlag and help them acclimatize.
It is liable to have a lot of mysteries in need of solving.

Vote for Ranaldian High Priest, comrades. Strengthen shield of civilization, solve soap opera drama between gods, probably stab clan Moulder in the tail!
(And pray for luck to Ranald as we have no idea what are we signing up for)

[X] Ranaldian High Priest of Kislev
 
Kornet said:
My point is that knowing shit about laws and traditions is also just one facet, and one a lot of loremasters are frankly incompetent at.
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That's a very strong accusation to level randomly at dawi kings advisors.
Do you have actual evidence to back it up?

Thomasfoolery said:
They have them, those people are not necessarily on the ruling council though.

No one person that fills the slot is ever going to be all of a Runelord/Engineer/Law Expert. There will be a specialty, but the job isn't a assumed to be a baseline of law expert with an extra of other things, with any diversion from the baseline assumed to be anomalous
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I would be very surprised if most, if not all, holds did not have a loremaster in the ruling council.

And engineers/runelords are separate skill set.
 
Mathilde: There are four things I really want to do. I know, I'll work out how to create three more of me, then I can do all of them. What could possibly go wrong.

One hour later after accidentally creating Mathildes each infused with a specific aspect of the coin: Protector Mathilde is arguing with Deceiver Mathilde about which of them works with Heidi, no closer to resolving things.
 
I think that people are very much Idealizing Sylvania.
It is miscast central, it has been stated multiple times in quest that the air is so choke full of Dhar that it sets even the most experienced spell casters on edge.
I don't believe it would be conductive to any magic research except Dhar.

The locals don't and won't like us, it would a lot of AP to gather good will, and they would rather we won't mess with their business. And I'm not talking about the vampires, I'm talking Codrin Petrescu, about a man who led a campaign to get a bunch of people killed. And the population that it had taken us a 86 final result to get them to tell us that it means "piss off".

To quote the man -

BoneyM said:
"There are two kinds of people in Sylvania," he says softly, as you walk side by side through the valley. "Those that would willingly serve the vampires and necromancers, and those that want to be left alone by any would-be masters."
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It is going to be a very diplomatic intensive position, we are not just going to juggle a bunch of Knight egos, we are going to need to convince Sylvaians to work with us, and the surrounding nobles to work with us.

Also, out of the current top options it is the least mobile one, It is the one least conductive to if we want to meddle in anything outside of Sylvania. We have a very narrow scope.

And, if anything, it is more likely to entrench us in stirland, if only due to the combo of narrow scope, and the AP sink and time sink involved.
With the empire building involved there will always be just something more to do, and there is no way the thread will trust another human enough to leave the position.
 
I have a question, What are people that are voting for it expecting out of the waystone project?

Because maybe I am just not seeing what you guys are seeing, cause for me personally all I can see is the expansion of a side quest that we have been doing that I already found not that interesting but more of it while also herding Dwarves and Elves to not stab each other, Like I am legitimately curious about what I am missing to make this sound fun to read for the next multiple thousand pages.
 
Silver Gambit said:
I have a question, What are people that are voting for it expecting out of the waystone project?

Because maybe I am just not seeing what you guys are seeing, cause for me personally all I can see is the expansion of a side quest that we have been doing that I already found not that interesting but more of it while also herding Dwarves and Elves to not stab each other, Like I am legitimately curious about what I am missing to make this sound fun to read for the next multiple thousand pages.
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It having Elves and College cooperation is better than staying entirely cooped up in Karaz Ankor as Loremaster though I'd prefer Sylvania.
 
Valmond said:
I would be very surprised if most, if not all, holds did not have a loremaster in the ruling council.

And engineers/runelords are separate skill set.
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Well, I'm not really sure why it's a surprise? From what I recall from the very first time the position was mentioned the Engineer/Runesmith/Loremaster split was established as a thing. Now you may be right that there's a slim majority of holds with a straight Loremaster in the slot. But it's never been presented as the assumed default like you make it sound here.

Yes, they're separate skillsets, that also are each viewed as natural fits for that council slot.
 
picklepikkl said:
  1. There are the existing large plot threads in the quest that we can tug at, like "what's the deal with gods being places that they shouldn't be"
  2. A more slice-of-life/episodic focus is a selling point of the job to a lot of people, not a problem they didn't consider
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Sure, but those plot threads are better served with Bodyguard, where we have constant access to a powerful priestess of Ranald and dispensation from the Empire to go poke at a variety of Empire things including the Kurnos thing - and it has an overarching goal on top of that.
 
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Thomasfoolery said:
Well, I'm not really sure why it's a surprise? From what I recall from the very first time the position was mentioned the Engineer/Runesmith/Loremaster split was established as a thing. Now you may be right that there's a slim majority of holds with a straight Loremaster in the slot. But it's never been presented as the assumed default like you make it sound here.

Yes, they're separate skillsets, that also are each viewed as natural fits for that council slot.
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Loremaster was presented as the traditional third in command when we retook K8P, dawi are also very big on tradition.
That said, even if runesmith or an engineer would be equally likely to have the spot, Mathilde is neither of those either.
And even if there was no Loremaster in the council proper, a king would almost cetainly have one at hand to consult on legal matters.
 
Adhoc vote count started by HavocKeeper on Mar 7, 2021 at 9:44 AM, finished with 2251 posts and 514 votes.
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I feel like Waystone research is something that will be there after Mathilde is done trying out being a Markgraf. But the reverse won't be true.

The waystone research seems to be kindof a infinite research sabbatical too - if I know the thread right. Though I trust BoneyM to keep it intresting and varied requiring Mathilde to go all over the place and solve other problems getting in the way. :)
 
Personally, my favorite bits of the quest all involve times when Mathilde had to step up to lead and make hard decisions with no safety net. Markgraf or Princess would have been my first choice, but waystones also seems like a good chance for her to become a major player.
 
Redshirt Army said:
Sure, but those plot threads are better served with Bodyguard, where we have constant access to a powerful priestess of Ranald and dispensation from the Empire to go poke at a variety of Empire things including the Kurnos thing - and it has an overarching goal on top of that.
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Ironically, that makes Mathilde a terrible "bodyguard," because what kind of personal protector leaves her principal to wander across the Empire for weeks at a time? :V
 
Silver Gambit said:
I have a question, What are people that are voting for it expecting out of the waystone project?

Because maybe I am just not seeing what you guys are seeing, cause for me personally all I can see is the expansion of a side quest that we have been doing that I already found not that interesting but more of it while also herding Dwarves and Elves to not stab each other, Like I am legitimately curious about what I am missing to make this sound fun to read for the next multiple thousand pages.
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For one, I'd like to see what Boney makes of Elves. So far we've only had Short and Superficial interactions with elves, and not much in depth development. For example, I liked Vicereine Cadaeth. Yes there's memetic arrogance levels involved, but I doubt that's all there is to it. And frankly, some of that arrogance is well deserved... looking at Asarnil taking out the norscan's champion's eyes, or Cadaeth's soul filling the whole clearing.

And
- There's also deep lore, which many in the thread are interested in.
- It doesn't force us to abandon our home and start over in a new place.
- We get to work on a project with Panoramia, the dwarfs and elves together.
- We'll probably wind up finding what Panoramia finds so objectionable to the Green college's religion (and probably learn some more about Rhya)
- We could find out (IC) what KaK does with waystones.
- It has potentially the biggest impact of all the choices on all the order factions.
 
Valmond said:
Loremaster was presented as the traditional third in command when we retook K8P, dawi are also very big on tradition.
That said, even if runesmith or an engineer would be equally likely to have the spot, Mathilde is neither of those either.
And even if there was no Loremaster in the council proper, a king would almost cetainly have one at hand to consult on legal matters.
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Loremaster as in the council slot yes. The slot called that can be traditionally filled by Engineers and Runesmith's, the name stays the same regardless of the actual skillset that fills it.

Indeed she's not, that doesn't really have anything to do with what you were arguing with me about though? Really though, the fact that Belegar stuck a skillset that wasn't one of the traditional three into the role is a ship that has long since sailed. So I don't see the relevance regardless.

Yes, I already mentioned a King would have one or more available, so I'm not sure why you're bringing it up here.
 
Waystone project is unlikely to go anywhere.
But Markgraf has a potential to be a forever project because there will always be more necromancers.
Only one of the top 4 has a fairly definite end point, because in a ten to fifteen years the kid is either grown up, or dead.

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Thomasfoolery said:
Loremaster as in the council slot yes. The slot called that can be traditionally filled by Engineers and Runesmith's, the name stays the same regardless of the actual skillset that fills it.

Indeed she's not, that doesn't really have anything to do with what you were arguing with me about though? Really though, the fact that Belegar stuck a skillset that wasn't one of the traditional three into the role is a ship that has long since sailed. So I don't see the relevance regardless.

Yes, I already mentioned a King would have one or more available, so I'm not sure why you're bringing it up here.
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Because it has been a point that Belegar does not have a traditional lore master, and chooses to go without in order to keep Mathilde in the role.

Also, i have no memory of the bolded being stated, do you remember when it came up?
 
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Silver Gambit said:
I have a question, What are people that are voting for it expecting out of the waystone project?

Because maybe I am just not seeing what you guys are seeing, cause for me personally all I can see is the expansion of a side quest that we have been doing that I already found not that interesting but more of it while also herding Dwarves and Elves to not stab each other, Like I am legitimately curious about what I am missing to make this sound fun to read for the next multiple thousand pages.
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We're not doing it right now, that was made very clear by Boney, if we want to get anywhere with it we need to show other parties that we're committed.

What I expect we'll be doing is talking to people and either getting them involved then and there if they're eager, or fulfilling some task for them like we did the Ice Witches if they're willing but somewhat on the fence. After we've done that for the major players we have access to (Colleges, Eonir, Dwarves) I expect there would be a period of synthesizing our insights and potentially dungeon diving for missing lore (The Ulthuan trip might fit in well here if we wanted to try to get insights from them as well). Before finally attempting to implement whatever theory we were able to come up with into practical use.

I don't see it as at all likely we'd be "The adult in the room" trying to keep the dwarves and elves from snipping at eachother, in fact I think it would end up being vanishingly rare they would even have much contact with eachother at all. More likely Mathilde/the Colleges would be a clearinghouse, passing on relevant information from one side to the other.
 
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