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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Burned_Cookie said:
Please do reconsider. It may be the most benificial to the world, but at as quest, it looks to me like "boring drudgework the quest". I don`t doubt that Boney could pull it off, but why give them dirt instead of clay?
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I seriously doubt working on Waystones will be "drudgework". Most likely, it will involve some or all of these story beats:

- diplomacy/intrigue to get Dwarf runelords and Elf (Laurelorn) mages working together
-- hmmm, I wonder if we could have an Elf mage get a look at Bok...
- worldbuilding from Boney regarding deep magic lore and nature of the world
- adventures into territories containing Waystones but held by hostiles
- dilemma regarding ways to use Waystone energies
- dunking on HElf archmages by doing things they never managed. Maybe even on Teclis himself.
 
Alliterate said:
If You Tried It, You Would Find Out (When He Dedicates His Unlife To Killing You For Your Betrayal Of Everything He Stood For).
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See, the good thing about an Abel dedicated to killing us is that he's an Abel who is present enough to do so.

Unlike our current Abel.

tapkomet said:
I seriously doubt working on Waystones will be "drudgework". Most likely, it will involve some or all of these story beats:
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There's also the simple fact that there's almost no way the dice won't throw up something huge and nasty that we won't be able to ignore and have to take time out of our schedule to deal with.

This is a factor for all the options, not just the ones openly about it.
 
I understand why there is so much support for the Waystones, it is after all the most obviously important choice and it is a theoretical path to "saving the world". I still have no interest in doing it. Spending a few decades trying to save the world sounds like the least interesting thing possible to me and if it ever actually is finished and works as people hope I feel like it would take a lot away from the setting. So I'm really hoping that in the actual binding vote Waystones loses a lot of its support.
 
Ithuriel said:
I understand why there is so much support for the Waystones, it is after all the most obviously important choice and it is a theoretical path to "saving the world". I still have no interest in doing it. Spending a few decades trying to save the world sounds like the least interesting thing possible to me and if it ever actually is finished and works as people hope I feel like it would take a lot away from the setting. So I'm really hoping that in the actual binding vote Waystones loses a lot of its support.
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This is assuming a lot, starting with the fact that the waystones project is "Saving the world."

It's not. It's explicitly not, for several reasons. The first is that the actual project, as far as we currently know, is just helping the Eonir get some of their network online that, for whatever reason, is currently not. This might involve the segment of their woods overrun by beastmen and chaos worshippers? Who knows, all I know about the Eonir comes from this thread and the wiki.

The second reason is that, even in the incredible best case scenario of "Mathilde can now build waystones," she still has to go and build those waystones for anything to be "saved." That's likely to be an adventure in and of itself.

BoneyM has shown he has the writing chops to make any of these choices interesting, but on a personal level, I find "Lead a multi-national effort by polities that haven't collaborated for thousands of years, in at least one case because they didn't even exist, to rediscover lost secrets" to be one of the most intriguing plot threads.
 
Ithuriel said:
I understand why there is so much support for the Waystones, it is after all the most obviously important choice and it is a theoretical path to "saving the world". I still have no interest in doing it. Spending a few decades trying to save the world sounds like the least interesting thing possible to me and if it ever actually is finished and works as people hope I feel like it would take a lot away from the setting. So I'm really hoping that in the actual binding vote Waystones loses a lot of its support.
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Perhaps if you're strongly against it, you should make a case to the rest of the thread on why it's not a good idea? That, or argue for your preferred option - that would be received better. I outlined just above the interesting things that might happen while working on the Waystones.
 
there is also assuming that we are going to solely focus on the waystone alone, even in the previous career, we had the lovely tab of shoving Mathilde's nose in places she is not nominally involved in, like the necromancy college or the Marinburg options we didn't choose.
I don't see Boney not doing the same if we want to low key poke at some of the other options, and that is without whatever plots will organically develop on the world.

Boney had shown willingness to throw hook bait if the updates feel too repetitive for either the audience and himself, I don't see it stopping anytime soon.

[x] The Waystone Project
[x] Bodyguard and Tutor to Prince Mandred
[x] Markgraf of Eastern Stirland
[x] Loremaster-at-Large of Karak Eight Peaks
[x] Spymaster of Wissenland

Spymaster is mostly curiosity on what the hell is going on there, and possibly opening a few side actions to shove our noses in the future, somewhat same for a lesser degree for Mandred and Loremaster, thought i might yet be convinced to vote for them.
 
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I'm in for waystones mainly because in the hopes of it expanding Malthitides magical knowledge and tool set with knowledge on how to use waystones to a certain extant, perhaps uncorrupt them, and how to get them online is like my limits from mortal Malthitides time in researching it.

Like the colleges ain't even near the scale of magic knowledge the elves are at and they built it in their GOLDEN AGE, really I don't expect to build new waystones.

Also, i'm preety sure their was disscusion on our girlfriend Paranormia drawing power from the waystones and noticing them re activating in K8P and her Jade college knowing some shit on them and would like to get in on that cool shit. More magic tools for Malthitide please.

Anywho theirs also the point it's always going to be something lingering on the back of the threads mind and while i'm tempted to go help Nuln with their Skaven problem or Border princess, I'd rather get this done and see how far we can reasonably go with this until we decide to dump this on the grey college or research institute idea and have them do the heavy work in research while we go adventure and perhaps when we return they have discovered something in a teachable manner at the cost of a few AP.

Either way, i'm expecting waystone research project to contribute to Malthitides tool set so she can do more cool mage shit. I remember the dragon battle alter using a waystone that was about to be corrupted by beast men but was stopped and used later for the dragon alter I think. Stuff like that and perhaps more.
 
Just going to throw this out there, about the Waystone project, but I feel like people are forgetting why we're being tapped for the project in the first place. Because it's not for our (admittedly stellar) Windsight.

We're being tapped for this because we're the one person in the entire world who might be able to get Runesmiths and Elf mages to collaborate with each other in the modern era, and we've got the connections to loop in the Colleges as well. If the only thing we do in the Waystone project is set up some basic research infrastructure, get some Elves, Dwarves, and Wizards in the same room together, and babysit them for a year to make sure they're actually doing work together, we'll already have done a bang-up job even if we contribute exactly nothing to the actual research process.

Honestly, if we could convince Thorek to work with whoever the Eonir send - and they're quite keen on the project, so they should be sending some talented people themselves - we could immediately turn the project over to someone else and still call it a win.

I'm not recommending we actually do that - with our excellent Windsight, eclectic knowledge base, and Divine connections, we probably can contribute something to the effort, and I imagine the discoveries will be fascinating - but I don't think we should assume we'll be stuck personally poking at Waystones for the rest of our lives if we take the job. I imagine opportunities to hand off the reins (or at least take long "vacations") will show up as time passes, especially since I'm pretty sure Boney would want to mix things up after long enough.
 
kfrar said:
Just going to throw this out there, about the Waystone project, but I feel like people are forgetting why we're being tapped for the project in the first place. Because it's not for our (admittedly stellar) Windsight.

We're being tapped for this because we're the one person in the entire world who might be able to get Runesmiths and Elf mages to collaborate with each other in the modern era, and we've got the connections to loop in the Colleges as well. If the only thing we do in the Waystone project is set up some basic research infrastructure, get some Elves, Dwarves, and Wizards in the same room together, and babysit them for a year to make sure they're actually doing work together, we'll already have done a bang-up job even if we contribute exactly nothing to the actual research process.

Honestly, if we could convince Thorek to work with whoever the Eonir send - and they're quite keen on the project, so they should be sending some talented people themselves - we could immediately turn the project over to someone else and still call it a win.

I'm not recommending we actually do that - with our excellent Windsight, eclectic knowledge base, and Divine connections, we probably can contribute something to the effort, and I imagine the discoveries will be fascinating - but I don't think we should assume we'll be stuck personally poking at Waystones for the rest of our lives if we take the job. I imagine opportunities to hand off the reins (or at least take long "vacations") will show up as time passes, especially since I'm pretty sure Boney would want to mix things up after long enough.
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I thought we were tapped for it because the wood elves think we are better then we are, and Mathy just has a good poker face. :V
 
[X] Loremaster-at-Large of Karak Eight Peaks
[X] The Waystone Project
[X] Governor-General of Swamp Town
[X] Border Princess of the Howling River
 
An argument for:
[] Spymaster of Wissenland

Why is it a great next step?

1) It's preventing fallout from something Mathilde caused.

Mathilde gave the empire information about the Skaven civil war. That information led imperial forces to dive into UnderNuln - unfortunately those forces were too late, and were easily repelled.

Now the Skaven in that region are forced to acknowledge that the Conspiracy of Silence is no longer working for them - which means they no longer need to pretend non-existence. So they're getting more active, and may even be trying to unify enough to invade the overcity.

If Mathilde doesn't get involved and Nuln falls she'll have to deal with the fact that was a result of her actions. That will weigh heavily.

2) Skaven are interesting

Skaven have supertech, they have their own magics including Ulgu-using ones, they have secret conspiracies and they're part of a Grand Empire with its own complicated politics.

As threats go they're one of the most interesting to interact with.

3) Mathilde is uniquely qualified due to several factors

Mathilde has unparalleled expertise in: Questioning Skaven Prisoners; Skaven Psychology; Skaven Shadow-Mages; Stealth within a Skaven Settlement.

She has great expertise in: The Skaven Written Language; Skaven Below-ground Battle Tactics; Raiding Skaven Strongholds; Skaven Above-ground Battle Tactics (from Liber Mortis); Skaven Diplomacy; Tunnel Combat; Assassination; Acquiring Dwarven Assistance; Combat Alongside Dwarves

She has significant expertise in: General Interrogation; Subterranean Stealth; Terror-inducing Magics; Rapid Communication; Skaven Logistics; Skaven Technology; Defensive Architecture.

She'd be really good for this job.

4) The stakes are very high

"Nuln was lost and the Underempire is wondering if it can be repeated" bad outcome, versus "Undernuln was eradicated and the wider Skaven Empire isn't sure why due to a misinformation campaign" good outcome.
 
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Jyn Ryvia said:
I thought we were tapped for it because the wood elves think we are better then we are, and Mathy just has a good poker face. :V
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Well, yes. We can get the Dwarves to the table because Legally A Dwarf, and we can get the Eonir to the table because our Bluff game is too strong for even elven superiority to handle.

But once we get the Eonir invested, we don't shouldn't need to stay personally involved for the rest of our lives. Who knows, maybe we could tempt over some Jade LM that's actually a Waystone expert once things are rolling? The Colleges are definitely willing to back the project themselves, after all:
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This might be the only chance to pool the knowledge of the Laurelorn, the Empire, and the Karaz Ankor, and for a project that could do wonderful things.
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They'll do what they can to make things work.
 
kfrar said:
Well, yes. We can get the Dwarves to the table because Legally A Dwarf, and we can get the Eonir to the table because our Bluff game is too strong for even elven superiority to handle.

But once we get the Eonir invested, we don't shouldn't need to stay personally involved for the rest of our lives. Who knows, maybe we could tempt over some Jade LM that's actually a Waystone expert once things are rolling? The Colleges are definitely willing to back the project themselves, after all:
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But Mathilde might be the only one who can get the Dwarves and the Elves to actually stay at the table. And the Colleges might agree too: "You're Grey Order, so cast diplomancy."
 
[X] Ambassador-at-Large to the Karaz Ankor
[X] The Waystone Project
[X] Markgraf of Eastern Stirland
[X] Spymaster of Wissenland
[X] Bodyguard and Tutor to Prince Mandred
[X] Ranaldian High Priest of Kislev
[X] Border Princess of the Howling River
 
Omegahugger said:
We're a Grey Wizard.

If the common folk never realise we saved them, it means we were able to act in time. (And had The Protector turned off)
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Why am I imagining Mathilde skulking round doing Gray Wizard Things ™ - and while saving Nuln from the Skaven a booming voice announces her heroic endeavour to every citizen and ratcatcher nearby. People wiggling their fingers in the ear going: "The who and the what now!?"

Mathilde going: "... Shit Algard will strange me."

And thus the conspiracy of silance was no more, lots of Nuln favour though! :V
 
Fehu said:
Why am I imagining Mathilde skulking round doing Gray Wizard Things ™ - and while saving Nuln from the Skaven a booming voice announces her heroic endeavour to every citizen and ratcatcher nearby. People wiggling their fingers in the ear going: "The who and the what now!?"

Mathilde going: "... Shit Algard will strange me."

And thus the conspiracy of silance was no more, lots of Nuln favour though! :V
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That's actually pretty funny, but unless Ranald was feeling particularly vindictive that day they would probably just know that she guards them fervently from monsters in the dark.
 
[*] Loremaster-at-Large of Karak Eight Peaks
A good expansion on what we've already got going on. Probably the best option for Eight Peaks itself.
[*] The Waystone Project
For learning more of the deep lore and maybe ending the feud between Eight Peaks and the High King.
[*] Markgraf of Eastern Stirland
To finish what we started.
[*] Spymaster of Wissenland
To continue our war against the underworld and expand the East Empire Company.
[*] Ambassador-at-Large to the Karaz Ankor
A good option to work on unifying the Karaz and Empire, balances our alliegence to both well. Probably the place we can do the most good work for the Dwarves.
[*] Bodyguard and Tutor to Prince Mandred
The depths of Imperial Politics, but similar to Karaz Ambassador, probably the place we can do the most good work for the Humans.

Border Princess is also good, but it seems like something we also could do at any time similar to the Elf adventure vacation.
 
Fehu said:
Why am I imagining Mathilde skulking round doing Gray Wizard Things ™ - and while saving Nuln from the Skaven a booming voice announces her heroic endeavour to every citizen and ratcatcher nearby. People wiggling their fingers in the ear going: "The who and the what now!?"

Mathilde going: "... Shit Algard will strange me."

And thus the conspiracy of silance was no more, lots of Nuln favour though! :V
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I have a solution for that, we just need to actively start shit in every possible way and the Protector won't proc.
 
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