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I was rereading the quest, and I remember this part after we did the trade for all the versions of rune of waking and Valma thinks we were just humoring her with the trade, but I dont see it, does anyone remember where this was?
 
[X] Plan Obvious
[X] [Secret] Tell them: Gromrilklad rewards altered, the highest levels of the Cult made aware but sworn to secrecy until you reveal the secret yourself.
 
[X] Plan Obvious
[X] [Secret] Tell them: Gromrilklad rewards altered, the highest levels of the Cult made aware but sworn to secrecy until you reveal the secret yourself.
[X] [Letters]: Knowledge about Avelorn's Magical Traditions
[X] [Letters]: Knowledge about Vaul's priesthood
 
[X] Plan Obvious

[X] [Secret] Tell them: Gromrilklad rewards altered, the highest levels of the Cult made aware but sworn to secrecy until you reveal the secret yourself.
[X] [Letters]: Knowledge about Avelorn's Magical Traditions
[X] [Letters]: Knowledge about Vaul's priesthood
 
[X] Plan Obvious Accept Grungni
-[X] [Simple] Armoured Maidens: [Cost: (12 -6) =6 actions] Due end of Turn 40. Productivity like No Other will proc. Gain 70 Favour and 1 Standing with the Cult of Valaya. The Clergy of Valaya are making plans to expand the Valkyrie Guard in preparation for what they believe is a coming wave of colonization across the Karaz Ankor in the future. Given your history with the Cult, they've come to you wondering if you had the inclination to create armour for some of the future Valkyrie Guard that will no doubt come from the endeavour. The number is not the sum total of suits, but ones specially made for their eldest and most veteran Matrons. The foundational core of the future Valkyrie Guard in these future-Holds. The Cult will hold the suits in their vaults until such a time they are needed. 4 actions
-[X] Render Aid: [Cost: 1 retainer action] Can be taken multiple times. Roll for usefulness, additional actions apply bonus to roll. Gain reputation and +2 bonus per action to Recruitment Dice. You formed these Hearthguard to combat all the ills that befall the dwarfen people. Send them out, render aid, earn goodwill and spread the word of your retainers and their stated mission beyond the borders of Kraka Drakk.
--[X] Elderly Expertise: Gain 40 Favour +? With Stormpeak. The Brana are actively looking for aid in the construction of their new home. While the work of the Kings is certainly a great deal of aid, they are never ones to look away from any Dawi willing to lend hard-won experience and knowhow to be given the task of helping them design and build their next settlement. 2 retainer actions
-[X] [Simple] Gromrilklad: [Cost: 12 actions] Due end of Turn 47. Productivity like No Other will proc. Gain 3 Standing and 50 Favour with the Grungni. There is no one else who can take on the commission. The Cult of Grungni has come to you seeking Gromril chainmail, though only for the highest ranking priests of every Major Hold and the eldest members of the Order of the Stone Wall, the principal military order of the Cult. As well as regular armour for the rest of the order of course, because why not? They are patient at the very least.
--[X] Accept

[X] [Secret] Tell them: Gromrilklad rewards altered, the highest levels of the Cult made aware but sworn to secrecy until you reveal the secret yourself.
[X] [Letters]: Knowledge about Avelorn's Magical Traditions
[X] [Letters]: Knowledge about Avelorn
 
[X] Plan Obvious
[X] [Secret] Tell them: Gromrilklad rewards altered, the highest levels of the Cult made aware but sworn to secrecy until you reveal the secret yourself.
[X] [Letters]: Knowledge about Avelorn's Magical Traditions
[X] [Letters]: Knowledge about Vaul's priesthood
 
[X] Plan Obvious
[X] [Secret] Tell them: Gromrilklad rewards altered, the highest levels of the Cult made aware but sworn to secrecy until you reveal the secret yourself.
[X] [Letters]: Knowledge about Vaul's priesthood
 
[x] Plan: What we need to do and Order
[X] [Secret] Tell them: Gromrilklad rewards altered, the highest levels of the Cult made aware but sworn to secrecy until you reveal the secret yourself.
[X] [Letters]: Knowledge about Avelorn's Magical Traditions
[X] [Letters]: Knowledge about Vaul's priesthood
 
[X] [Secret] Tell them: Gromrilklad rewards altered, the highest levels of the Cult made aware but sworn to secrecy until you reveal the secret yourself.
[X] [Letters]: Knowledge about Avelorn's Magical Traditions
[X] [Letters]: Knowledge about Vaul's priesthood
[X] Plan Obvious
 
For the second retainer action (Which no one is including on their plans) why not use it on Dreng Them? At least make them get us some mats. Who knows they might roll really well and find something nice.
 
For the second retainer action (Which no one is including on their plans) why not use it on Dreng Them? At least make them get us some mats. Who knows they might roll really well and find something nice.
I did include it in the plan. I put two retainer actions on the Brana action.

I don't particularly care about mats. We have enough and we aren't going to be using them any time soon.
 
Waves on waves of Beastmen, perfidious as they are numerous, have been sighted heading eastward and northward from their dark home in the lowlands of the west and south and towards the Karaz Ankor.
Waves on waves...? Where have I heard that before? Oh, right:


... Darn well guess this is what I get for not fully paying attention to what people are planning! Never mind then!
Don't worry, it happens to everyone. I hear in some circles, they've moved on to planning out soulcake's life itself to optimize update schedules.
 
[X] Plan Obvious
[X] [Secret] Tell them: Gromrilklad rewards altered, the highest levels of the Cult made aware but sworn to secrecy until you reveal the secret yourself.
 
[X] [Secret] Tell them: Gromrilklad rewards altered, the highest levels of the Cult made aware but sworn to secrecy until you reveal the secret yourself.
[X] [Letters]: Knowledge about Cothique
[X] [Letters]: Knowledge about Vaul's priesthood
[X] Plan: What we need to do and Order
 
[X] Plan Obvious
[X] [Secret] Tell them: Gromrilklad rewards altered, the highest levels of the Cult made aware but sworn to secrecy until you reveal the secret yourself.
[X] [Letters]: Knowledge about Avelorn's Magical Traditions
[X] [Letters]: Knowledge about Vaul's priesthood
I want to make monument for him, but can't justify it to earn a place in our busy schedule.
Well, we DID make a statue of our mother to defend our own workshop without taking an action... Less gronti, more turret.
 
[X] Plan Obvious
[X] [Secret] Tell them: Gromrilklad rewards altered, the highest levels of the Cult made aware but sworn to secrecy until you reveal the secret yourself.
[X] [Letters]: Knowledge about Avelorn's Magical Traditions
[X] [Letters]: Knowledge about Vaul's priesthood
 
[X] Plan Obvious
[X] [Secret] Tell them: Gromrilklad rewards altered, the highest levels of the Cult made aware but sworn to secrecy until you reveal the secret yourself.
[X] [Letters]: Knowledge about Avelorn's Magical Traditions
[X] [Letters]: Knowledge about Vaul's priesthood
 
[X] [Secret] Tell them: Gromrilklad rewards altered, the highest levels of the Cult made aware but sworn to secrecy until you reveal the secret yourself.

Part of being the Gift Giver imo.
 
[X] [Secret] Don't tell them: Gromrilklad remains unchanged, the Cult remains unaware of your plans.
[X] [Letters]: Knowledge about Caledor
[X] [Letters]: Knowledge about Vaul's priesthood
 
[X] Plan Obvious
[X] [Secret] Tell them: Gromrilklad rewards altered, the highest levels of the Cult made aware but sworn to secrecy until you reveal the secret yourself.
[X] [Letters]: Knowledge about Avelorn's Magical Traditions
[X] [Letters]: Knowledge about Vaul's priesthood
 
[X] Plan Obvious
[X] [Secret] Tell them: Gromrilklad rewards altered, the highest levels of the Cult made aware but sworn to secrecy until you reveal the secret yourself.
[X] [Letters]: Knowledge about Vaul's priesthood
 
[X] [Secret] Tell them: Gromrilklad rewards altered, the highest levels of the Cult made aware but sworn to secrecy until you reveal the secret yourself.

[X] [Letters]: Knowledge about Avelorn's Magical Traditions
[X] [Letters]: Knowledge about Vaul's priesthood

[X] Plan Obvious + Retainer Reconfiguring
- [X] [Simple] Armoured Maidens: [Cost: (12 -6) =6 actions] Due end of Turn 40. Productivity like No Other will proc. Gain 70 Favour and 1 Standing with the Cult of Valaya. The Clergy of Valaya are making plans to expand the Valkyrie Guard in preparation for what they believe is a coming wave of colonization across the Karaz Ankor in the future. Given your history with the Cult, they've come to you wondering if you had the inclination to create armour for some of the future Valkyrie Guard that will no doubt come from the endeavour. The number is not the sum total of suits, but ones specially made for their eldest and most veteran Matrons. The foundational core of the future Valkyrie Guard in these future-Holds. The Cult will hold the suits in their vaults until such a time they are needed. 4 actions
- [X] Render Aid: [Cost: 1 retainer action] Can be taken multiple times. Roll for usefulness, additional actions apply bonus to roll. Gain reputation and +2 bonus per action to Recruitment Dice. You formed these Hearthguard to combat all the ills that befall the dwarfen people. Send them out, render aid, earn goodwill and spread the word of your retainers and their stated mission beyond the borders of Kraka Drakk.
-- [X] Elderly Expertise: Gain 40 Favour +? With Stormpeak. The Brana are actively looking for aid in the construction of their new home. While the work of the Kings is certainly a great deal of aid, they are never ones to look away from any Dawi willing to lend hard-won experience and knowhow to be given the task of helping them design and build their next settlement. 1 retainer actions
- [X] Retainer Reconfiguring: [Cost: 1 retainer action] Can be taken once every variable number of turns. Change some aspect of your retainers. The Hearth Guard are a fine force of Dawi, but much like the defences of a Karak, there is potentially more to be done. It will take some time for these steadfast retainers of yours to adjust to whatever changes you make, but the length of it definitely correlates to the number of changes you want done.
-- [X] Change Numbers: [Cost: +1 turn until change] +1/-1 retainer action per every 60 retainers added/removed. Increasing or decreasing the number of Retainers you wish to take on permanently. It signals that you either require more or less of their services. While you will not remove retainers currently services if you wish to downsize, it means you simply will not replace them in the event one of your loyal followers falls in the line of duty or simply to the vagaries of time. Increase the number of retainers.

I've said it before, but I'd like to expand the Hearth Guard.
 
[X] [Secret] Tell them: Gromrilklad rewards altered, the highest levels of the Cult made aware but sworn to secrecy until you reveal the secret yourself.
[X] [Letters]: Knowledge about Avelorn's Magical Traditions
[X] [Letters]: Knowledge about Vaul's priesthood
 
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