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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Execute/Dumbo said:
That's not how words work, The trick Ranald pulled for the Empress was convincing people she was eligable for the seat, not actually tricking people into thinking she was empress, or tricking people that she had a baby. And Mathilde doesn't have a dwarf soul because Ranald didn't care about Mathilde until sometime into her Stirland appointment.
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That's exactly how words work. You become Empress when you act like one, and people start obeying your commands. In short, it's a social/political construct. If the foremost experts/authorities of the Karaz Ankor declare somebody to be a dwarf, and that person now gets treated as a dwarf... then by that same social/political power, they are a dwarf. Now, it can be claimed that said person lacks some properties that all other dwarfs share, metaphysical traits and the like... but now you're arguing against the Karaz Ankor on what it means to be a member of the dawi.
 
King Arthur said:
As the tag say, "stone is an excellent insulator of magic." Hard to get more stone than an entire moon.

So the magic moon in the sky by itself is real real bad, but when the other moon is out as well it's significantly less bad, because there's a moon full of magic insulator out there messing with those magic rays.
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Hrmmmm, the Slann have been trying to knock Morrisleb out of orbit for a while.
But have failed because it's made of chaos or evil or something.
Do you think they'd have more luck fixing Mannisleb in place between Morrisleb and the planet?

Not sure that's a thing they'd ever think or agree to do, but I would be interested to learn whether that would actually work in a goal of shielding the planet from the thing.
 
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Redshirt Army said:
Of course. The upside of scouting is to mitigate the downsides of engagements. Less lives, time, and materiel lost.

And much as the optimal outcome would be "no engagements at all", that's frankly not up to Mathilde, whether she scouts or not.
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See, this is what gets me. We can't logically puzzle out ahead of time whether the Iron Wolves will attack or not. That's (Edit: often) going to be determined by the dice. The logical in-universe explanation comes later. And yes, if they do try to ambush us then the Knights of Taal's Fury probably get the opportunity to counter it. But how successful or not they will be is, again, up to the dice.

I want Mathilde to scout the Iron Wolves because it gives her the chance to weigh in on those dice. This is her area of expertise, she's done this kind of offensive scouting again and again. She's got the traits and experience to blunt those dice by quite a bit. And yes, this does mean loosing out on another social action. But much as I like social actions myself, here they're competing against "do your job" actions. Actions that might improve the survival of the entire expedition. I think that we're going to have to keep deciding between social actions and non-social actions more and more as we keep going, and we're well past the point where we were completely safe to engage in social actions.

Last turn we visited both Uzkulak and the Seventh-and-Final-Combe. Our visit to the former successfully got us more supplies and intel on a possibly nearly Ogre tribe. Our visit to the latter didn't get us expedition-relevant loot, and the intel on what may have happened to the Plotter-Daemons wasn't particularly relevant. But if the dice had fallen differently, these results might have been reversed: Uzkulak might have been entirely without food for sale, and the Combe might have had intel on an imminent attack. We can't know ahead of time what Mathilde will find by poking her head into the unknown. Only that she'll find something.
fictionfan said:
I am trying to imagine the rep gains for bringing back the dwarfen Ancestor God(s) and failing. It would make what Sigmar did seem like a joke by comparison. Then again if we had actually rescued them they would be quite capable of paying us back themselves.

Even just one would be such a huge deal.
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[] The Sally Port of Gazul

In my headcanon, this doesn't summon some kind of ghostly army. This summons Gazul, and only Gazul. :V
 
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BoneyM said:
Pretty much.



Mathilde has been told that Pit of Shades works by slitting open a hole between reality and the very thin plane between reality and the warp, which crushes anything that's sucked into it. Slitting that open across the width of a battlefield seems like it would do bad things. And something aimed with the hand seems worse at targeting than something aimed with the mind.
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Would a ranged spell that carried the "Mechanism" for opening the pit, but only activated on impact be possible?

Basically a more focused "Delete" button of a spell. Instead of the regular Pit's "Fuck everything in this general area."
 
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guyfromtheplace1 said:
Hrmmmm, the Slann have been trying to knock Morrisleb out of orbit for a while.
But have failed because it's made of chaos or evil or something.
Do you think they'd have more luck fixing Mannisleb in place between Morrisleb and the planet?

Not sure that's a thing they'd ever think or agree to do, but I would be interested to learn whether that would actually work in a goal of shielding the planet from the thing.
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Morrsleib isn't subject to things like 'gravity' and 'orbits' and shows up wherever it damn well likes, while Mannsleib is apparently more predictable and limited.

Derpmind said:
See, this is what gets me. We can't logically puzzle out ahead of time whether the Iron Wolves will attack or not. That's going to be determined by the dice. The logical in-universe explanation comes later. And yes, if they do try to ambush us then the Knights of Taal's Fury probably get the opportunity to counter it. But how successful or not they will be is, again, up to the dice.
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The dice only come in if the Iron Wolves may or may not attack. If they absolutely will or absolutely won't attack, there's no dice, and even when there is dice, the odds are influenced by the circumstance. So there's definitely value to figuring out the likelihood ahead of time.

ninjafish said:
Would a ranged spell that carried the "Mechanism" for opening the pit, but only activated on impact be possible?

Basically a more focused "Delete" button of spell.
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Mathilde doesn't even know how the base spell works, so she can't speculate on how it could be modified.
 
fictionfan said:
I am trying to imagine the rep gains for bringing back the dwarfen Ancestor God(s) and failing. It would make what Sigmar did seem like a joke by comparison. Then again if we had actually rescued them they would be quite capable of paying us back themselves.

Even just one would be such a huge deal.
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So much rep, we could convince Kragg and Thorek to actually collaborate.
 
Fayhem said:
I sincerely doubt that Ljiljana would have reacted that calmly if she thought Mathilde was casually admitting to being a Tzeentch cultist.
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Nah, she thinks that she's admitting to worshipping Mephet'ran the Deceiver, therefore admitting she is a transdimensional spy from the Adeptus Mechanicus who arrived on Malleus via her patron gaining her passage through a game of Paradox-Billiards-Vostroyan-Roulette-Fourth-Dimensional-Hypercube-Chess-Strip Poker!!! *Foams at the mouth*

Her understanding that Mathilde is a highly valued follower of Ranald makes the most sense. Even if Mathilde is to the average ranaldite what James Bond is to an actual British spy.
 
BoneyM said:
Morrsleib isn't subject to things like 'gravity' and 'orbits' and shows up wherever it damn well likes, while Mannsleib is apparently more predictable and limited.




Mathilde doesn't even know how the base spell works, so she can't speculate on how it could be modified.
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Wait... if it isn't subject to gravity then why hasn't it just flown off into space?

Is Morrsleib alive?

also...

GUYS WE NEED TO LEARN PIT OF SHADES.
 
BoneyM said:
Because it gives just as few fucks about relative velocity as it does about gravity.
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I recall you mentioning Morrsleib's phase could be different at different locations miles apart which implies that it gives no fucks about both having a single location and the optical rules of how light should reflect off of it.
 
BoneyM said:
Morrsleib isn't subject to things like 'gravity' and 'orbits' and shows up wherever it damn well likes, while Mannsleib is apparently more predictable and limited.
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Even if it were subject to those things a hypothetical blocking object would still need to be under continuous control to stay in blocking position, as objects in lower orbits circle faster than those in higher orbits(and thus a blocking object would end up ahead of the blocked object unless its position was continuously corrected).

Maybe something smaller than a whole moon used as a screen? a disk of stone?
 
guyfromtheplace1 said:
Even if it were subject to those things a hypothetical blocking object would still need to be under continuous control to stay in blocking position, as objects in lower orbits circle faster than those in higher orbits(and thus a blocking object would end up ahead of the blocked object unless its position was continuously corrected).

Maybe something smaller than a whole moon used as a screen? a disk of stone?
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I propose that we take a large hunk of stone, but instead of moving it to block Morrisleb, we move the people. We can build entire cities under giant stone shields, using stone's property as an excellent insulator of magic to create effective fallout shelters. Once we get the proper infrastructure set up, the inhabitants will only have to leave under extreme circumstances! And for bonus efficiency, we can use pre-existing stone formations, such as mountains!
 
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notanautomaton said:
I propose that we take a large hunk of stone, but instead of moving it to block Morrisleb, we move the people. We can build entire cities under giant stone shields, using stone's property as an excellent insulators of magic to create effective fallout shelters. Once we get the proper infrastructure set up, the inhabitants will only have to leave under extreme circumstances! And for bonus efficiency, we can use pre-existing stone formations, such as mountains!
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And now we know how dwarves happened. :V
 
I apologize if this was already answered and I missed it, but is the dwarf grudge on Ranald actually canon?

Because that has some very strange implications. They're saying a dwarf soul can be stolen (which by itself will cause a big stir) and that a dwarf soul can be magical (which we already established during the 'possession by Ork god' check that magic is soulbound and an influence on the soul).

And it appears to have sent out this in response to great deeds done. Does this mean that the High King thinks humans aren't capable of such acts ever? Did Sigmar cause a grudge to be taken out on Ulric for his deeds? The implications of 'you're too good to be human, you must have been a stolen dwarf' are actually really insulting.
 
Admiral Kol said:
I apologize if this was already answered and I missed it, but is the dwarf grudge on Ranald actually canon?

Because that has some very strange implications. They're saying a dwarf soul can be stolen (which by itself will cause a big stir) and that a dwarf soul can be magical (which we already established during the 'possession by Ork god' check that magic is soulbound and an influence on the soul).

And it appears to have sent out this in response to great deeds done. Does this mean that the High King thinks humans aren't capable of such acts ever? Did Sigmar cause a grudge to be taken out on Ulric for his deeds? The implications of 'you're too good to be human, you must have been a stolen dwarf' are actually really insulting.
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It appears to be canon based on what we know.

The theft of a soul is not actually a new thing in Warhammer at all. Presumably they believe he stole a wandering soul, not one from their afterlife. The magical thing has implications that I think they are just ignoring.

And we don't know the "why" just yet. I expect we'll find out that after the expedition.
 
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