Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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I reckon we might be able to find the next book of Nagash very soon, i bet ya it's with the angry dwarfs
[x] Deathfang
[x] Magister Egrimm van Horstmann
[x] Asarnil the Dragonlord
[x] Citharus, Barbitus, and Timpania
[x] Visit Uzkulak, the Chaos Dwarf equivalent to Barak Varr
[x] Deathfang
[x] Magister Egrimm van Horstmann
[x] Asarnil the Dragonlord
[x] Citharus, Barbitus, and Timpania
[x] Visit Uzkulak, the Chaos Dwarf equivalent to Barak Varr
If it is they are keeping it in the deepest vaults of the Temple of Hashut, not on a market stall.
King Arthur
The Once and Future King
I'd figure it'd be more likely that every decade or so the GM rolls for "does anyone look into Vlag and find anything?"
Vlag quest probably started long before the hold got stolen and it getting thrown into the Warp was a long set of failures.
Chances at saving them were probably best immediately after they were lost and when the Great Wat against Chaos just wrapped up, and they probably had a good number of rolls there each time, that they unfortunately failed consistently.
After that, roll for investigation every decade or 50 years or so. DC for discovering what happened was fairly high, roll to figure out what to do, a crit roll on the rescue succeeding and how quickly the rescue can start, a bad roll on how long it would take once started making it takes days instead of hours, a near critical succeess on Slaanesh's forces response which brought in the other armies, and then a crit fail resulted in them betraying each other.
That's my guess at least.
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So now that I've had a chance to digest, some thoughts.
I was very surprised to see survivors, but the explanation that Chaos was playing with them, drawing out their conquest slowly, makes a lot of sense. I would bet the Slaaneshi even allowed them access to water in some fashion, because merely dehydrating them out wouldn't be as fun.
I wondered how long the Karak Vlag was trapped by their own reckoning, and then I realized that they themselves have no way to know. No sun, no moons or stars, no seasons. Only endless darkness lit by daemonic lights. Sleep only when so exhausted you can't stay awake any long, eat or drink only when your body can take no more. Was that a month or a year that just passed? Who knows? In fact, literally the only firm means of time measurement they might have had is how many inches their beards grew. Brutal stuff.
Perhaps they'll have some people outside the karak and prepared to talk by the time the Expedition comes back this way, and we might get some sense of how many made it through. Tens of thousands is surely too much to hope. Maybe thousands. Maybe only hundreds.
Maybe someday we'll even be allowed back inside for a visit, after a special three day security check. (Shortened from the standard 10 days in honor of Mathilde's status as one of the people who broke the Siege. Not that they'll be any less thorough- just put more inspectors on it.)
I think a visit to Uzkulak is definitely worth it. It'll be a valuable first hand experience of a place few wizards have visited, and if Ranald and the rolls are with us, we might turn up something interesting or informative. If nothing else, that mention of an alternative food supply should weigh heavy. We don't know if the Dolgan will keep their bargain, so as many back-ups as possible is a good idea.
I'm less sure about the Skaven combes, but... Well, Mathilde speaks Low Queekish and can read their writing and is really, really good at infiltration. It might end up doing some good. It has at least as big a chance of doing some good as talking to expedition members, anyway.
I was very surprised to see survivors, but the explanation that Chaos was playing with them, drawing out their conquest slowly, makes a lot of sense. I would bet the Slaaneshi even allowed them access to water in some fashion, because merely dehydrating them out wouldn't be as fun.
I wondered how long the Karak Vlag was trapped by their own reckoning, and then I realized that they themselves have no way to know. No sun, no moons or stars, no seasons. Only endless darkness lit by daemonic lights. Sleep only when so exhausted you can't stay awake any long, eat or drink only when your body can take no more. Was that a month or a year that just passed? Who knows? In fact, literally the only firm means of time measurement they might have had is how many inches their beards grew. Brutal stuff.
Perhaps they'll have some people outside the karak and prepared to talk by the time the Expedition comes back this way, and we might get some sense of how many made it through. Tens of thousands is surely too much to hope. Maybe thousands. Maybe only hundreds.
Maybe someday we'll even be allowed back inside for a visit, after a special three day security check. (Shortened from the standard 10 days in honor of Mathilde's status as one of the people who broke the Siege. Not that they'll be any less thorough- just put more inspectors on it.)
I think a visit to Uzkulak is definitely worth it. It'll be a valuable first hand experience of a place few wizards have visited, and if Ranald and the rolls are with us, we might turn up something interesting or informative. If nothing else, that mention of an alternative food supply should weigh heavy. We don't know if the Dolgan will keep their bargain, so as many back-ups as possible is a good idea.
I'm less sure about the Skaven combes, but... Well, Mathilde speaks Low Queekish and can read their writing and is really, really good at infiltration. It might end up doing some good. It has at least as big a chance of doing some good as talking to expedition members, anyway.
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- Romania
[X] Thane Borek Forkbeard
[X] Sir Ruprecht Wulfhart the Younger
[X] Ice Crone Ljiljana
[X] Magister Egrimm van Horstmann
[X] Journeywoman Alexandra Kohler
[X] Scouting near the convoy
- With the Winter Wolves
[X] Visit the combes that Qrech told you about
[X] Sir Ruprecht Wulfhart the Younger
[X] Ice Crone Ljiljana
[X] Magister Egrimm van Horstmann
[X] Journeywoman Alexandra Kohler
[X] Scouting near the convoy
- With the Winter Wolves
[X] Visit the combes that Qrech told you about
Wow, lot of votes turning against the "Chaos dwarf market" gacha. Is it that you're more afraid of bad things happening, that you don't think anything good can come from it, or that you think interacting with Expedition personnel will produce a greater value?
My main issue is that talking to expedition personnel just isn't all that valuable, except in extremely subtle ways driving interactions afterwards. They're interesting interludes, but not much in the way of concrete benefits. Whereas the side trips are going to be at the worst equally as interesting but at the best may yield something of extremely concrete high value.
My main issue is that talking to expedition personnel just isn't all that valuable, except in extremely subtle ways driving interactions afterwards. They're interesting interludes, but not much in the way of concrete benefits. Whereas the side trips are going to be at the worst equally as interesting but at the best may yield something of extremely concrete high value.
Aranfan
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I for one, am simply not interested in interacting with the chaos dwarfs in a non-hostile manner.
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Minor quibble: if they have it it's been burnt up as a sacrifice to Hashut after being perused for anything worthwhile.
Mostly the third, partly the first.
Our opinion is already biased on Borek still despite another tally in the "people we negatively misread" list, and we missed the entire Winter Wolf schism until long after the expedition ended.
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- MS, USA
[x] Citharus, Barbitus, and Timpania
[x] Visit the combes that Qrech told you about
[x] Head Engineer Gotrek Gurnisson
[x] Head Ranger Snorri Farstrider
[x] Sir Ruprecht Wulfhart the Younger
[x] Visit the combes that Qrech told you about
[x] Head Engineer Gotrek Gurnisson
[x] Head Ranger Snorri Farstrider
[x] Sir Ruprecht Wulfhart the Younger
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- New Brunswick, NJ
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Vote has seriously narrowed: we have a strong first and second place, but 3rd-6th place are all within a couple of votes of each other. That said, unless Thane Borek makes a serious leap ahead in the voting, we're definitely going to visit either the combes or the Chaos Dwarves or both.
I would prefer neither but be fine with visiting one. I don't want to do both. My appetite for sidequest has been sated, and we've still got a mandatory sidequest coming up real soon to get the chalice for the ice witch. I care more about personnel management than about sightseeing. But as long as only one of the two sidequests finishes in the top five, I'll keep my grumbling to a minimum.
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- some computer lab
[X] Visit Uzkulak, the Chaos Dwarf equivalent to Barak Varr
Seems like the best way to aquire more Slayers
Seems like the best way to aquire more Slayers
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That's frankly ridiculous for so many reasons.
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- some computer lab
Why? Can you think of a better source of Slayers between here and the Chaos Wastes.
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- Spain
She can speak and understand low Queekish
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Oh my god you're serious.
If by "source" you mean buying them, Dawi slaves are no doubt highly expensive prizes for the Dawi Zharr on top of the bundle of morality issues. If by source you mean freeing them, congratulations you've got a bunch of Dawi determined to die destroying as much of the place as possible and a likely bounty on your head and assassins set after you, and the expedition endangered. And the latter problems largely apply to buying them as well.
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- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
As in the Dwarves in our expedition will go Slayer from the shame of having made deals with the Chaos Dwarves? Because that's the only "source of slayers" I see here.
Chaos dwarfs do not keep any of their western kin to sell anyway, it's right to the sacrificial flames. Also they have right of first refusal on any brought in and they always buy them for sacrifice.
Even if we wasn't on the way to Karak Dum, going to Chaos Dwarf Uzkulak is not a great idea. I mean, yeah, we could find something of great value, maybe even free some slaves that could come with us, but I don't want to deal with the Chaos Dwarfs, not now.
[X] Head Ranger Snorri Farstrider.
[X] Head Engineer Gotrek Gurnisson.
[X] Citharus, Barbitus, and Timpania.
[X] Sir Ruprecht Wulfhart the Younger.
[X] Thane Borek Forkbeard.
[X] Preceptor Joerg von Zavstra.
After the whole Karak Vlag deal, we should meet with the main Dwarf leaders again, we haven't talk with either Gotrek (The High Pass battle took up the space) and Snorri, and following Vlag, we should meet Borek again to get a read on him again and his personal thoughts on it.
Ruprecht saved our skins as much as he saved the Expedition and rally the White Wolves.
We been needing to meet with the Ducklings, more so given the possibility of Barbitus been tempted.
[X] Head Ranger Snorri Farstrider.
[X] Head Engineer Gotrek Gurnisson.
[X] Citharus, Barbitus, and Timpania.
[X] Sir Ruprecht Wulfhart the Younger.
[X] Thane Borek Forkbeard.
[X] Preceptor Joerg von Zavstra.
After the whole Karak Vlag deal, we should meet with the main Dwarf leaders again, we haven't talk with either Gotrek (The High Pass battle took up the space) and Snorri, and following Vlag, we should meet Borek again to get a read on him again and his personal thoughts on it.
Ruprecht saved our skins as much as he saved the Expedition and rally the White Wolves.
We been needing to meet with the Ducklings, more so given the possibility of Barbitus been tempted.
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- some computer lab
Sorry, I was unaware of that, my vote still stands because B O O K, but getting more Slayers now seems unfeasible.
A tiny bit of the first, a fair bit of the third, and also I just don't feel like having things go in that direction. (So, "greater value", but in an out-of-character personal interest vein.)