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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Is there any reason not to provide an infodump to the Gith and more besides? If they know anything valuable and/or are willing to work in this we will just end up throwing a small kingdom's fortune at them anyway.
 
065tdsa said:
True, but the Sky Father and Earth Mother were set aside in favor of the Old Gods a few thousand years before the time this is supposed to be.
Pretty sure the Fae mangled this religion to pieces so that none of the inhabitants' prayers would actually be a addressed to a God that would hear them.
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That is not entirely true. Worship of Father Storm made it practically into present times in some places, especially among sailors and fishermen in the Three Sisters. It is possible the Earth Mother might have still had adepts in that age, though you would have to do a lot of archeological work to be sure.
 
DragonParadox said:
Of Faith in Strange Places ​

Tenth Day of the Fourth Month 294 AC

You are briefly tempted to play along with the game, to give 'Renard' a villain in name and not in deed, so that he might learn the truth slowly through every clash. Glyra would enjoy it, and more to the point, she would probably profit from it given her nature. In the end, however, practicality wins out. There is too much you do not know about this mummer's game and Renly Baratheon's place in it, so that day standing on the shore of a formless sea, you choose to wait and watch. Of course, you are not the only one with a stake in this place and its fulcrum.

"So you are just going to leave him, here to live a lie, to dance to unseen strings only with a new audience?" Renly's words are soft, but they lack some of the usual deference of a knight to his lord. He is bound to service, of course, but you are not such a fool as to trust such bonds alone to hold a dissatisfied vassal, whatever his nature.

"Acting without thought could unravel this entire realm and spill fifty thousand souls into the mists. This is where I could say, if your originator is indeed the hero he shows himself to be then he would prefer to be lied for a few weeks rather than risk that, but whether that is true or not is immaterial to me, the souls of so many are worth more to me."

Bright blue eyes hold your gaze for a long moment before dipping in a small nod, followed by a sigh. "Fair point, bitter though it may be upon the tongue to be part of this charade a moment longer. What are you going to do?"

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The myrkdreki and mind dragon draw straws to choose which among them will stay to watch this strange realm, they all cheat so creatively you have to officiate the process. They are to be eyes and not hands, and avoid becoming entangled in the tale of this land as much as possible.

"Maybe the shadow cats will keep them out of troub..." A giggle cuts your sister off before she can finish. "Watchmoles... yep that is the key, watchmoles, serious as Stannis they'll be." The amusement fades from her eyes. "What are we going to tell Stannis? He is going to want his brother back. You don't think he would try to give Storm's End back, do you? He's one of the most reliable lords we have and no offense to Renly, but he's young and..."

"Even in the best case he would have spent the last several years playing knight errant not worrying about administration, trade and land management," you finish. "No, I don't think even Stannis is that fixated upon duty, or rather I think he can convince himself that Renly abandoned his oaths when he took the fey lord's offer."

Although you have business with the Githzerai, you, Dany and Teana do not fly east into the mists to find the Monastery of the Unbroken Circle. Instead, you fly west following the folk you had freed from the Ironborn. You had not seen any sign of temples and little prayer while observing the locals, but surely such a miraculous homecoming will reveal some sign.

"Blood to the land, sky is my witness that we were truly those lost and found again before we could pass beyond the sea, out of memory of kith and kin..." the eldest of the former thralls proclaims spilling blood into the earth from a shallow cut on his palm to reveal that he is mortal and alive. It sounds a little like an invocation of Mother Earth and Father Sky, though without the call to any of their names.

Then you hear in reply from the village headman. "It was meant that we should make merry, and be glad: for thou were dead, and are alive again; and were lost, and are found. "

"That's from the Seven Pointed Star, from the Book of the Father, where it speaks of Hugor's son lost to sin and then returned," Dany muses, almost too low to hear over the wind. "What the Hells are they worshiping?"

"If this is supposed to be the age in which these Andals came from Essos, a degree of syncretism is not unreasonable," Teana offers. "You have two gods that are identified as Father, two goddesses that are identified as Mother..."

"It does not get us any closer to figuring out how an area so large can even be this stable." You had hopes that the religion of the locals would provide some answers instead of more questions. Perhaps the githzerai will know more.

Of course, they will likely have questions of their own, such as why you are curious about patches of Limbo that defy dissolution. The Grandmaster is indeed likely to be very interested in almost ten thousand square miles of land in Limbo. How truthful can you be with your distant allies, you wonder.

How much do you tel the Githzerai about the Lost Lands?

[] Everything you know, they have been honorable allies so far and you see no reason why that would change

[] Just the basics, an isolated patch of order created as part of a fey plot, without mentioning the size or population

[] Write in

OOC: I hope this did not drag. You guys did ask about faith and it flowed more naturally here than down the line in a report. Not yet edited.
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Here's an edited version of the chapter, DP.

I always like it when you include mentions of other vote options as being part of Viserys' decision making processes.
 
[X] egoo

I like the Githzerai, and they're a pretty steady faction, one of the few who could be really solid allies without a ton of work on our part.

This is the kind of info that could potentially revolutionize the way the Githzerai civilization functions. Sharing it with them is worth a ton of brownie points, and their expertise could be vital if we want to make use of the Crucible.
065tdsa said:
True, but the Sky Father and Earth Mother were set aside in favor of the Old Gods a few thousand years before the time this is supposed to be. Pretty sure the Fae mangled this religion to pieces so that none of the inhabitants' prayers would actually be a addressed to a God that would hear them.
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Even though DP confirmed that there were at least a few worshipers active in the time the Petitioners would have lived, I think you're into something here. This seems like just the kind of thing the Fey would do. Their feelings on the subject of gods are well known, after all.
 
egoo said:
He Hee Heee...
I may have called something eith this one :V



[X] Everything you know, they have been honorable allies so far and you see no reason why that would change
-[X] If they prove interested in this, we are offering joint research into the phenomena. Gith having access to a stable piece of reality in Limbo, or even just a more efficient method of stabilizing it, would mean more of their forces free to fight our common enemy.
-[X] By the way, do they want any more battle beasts, having had the first batch tried? We can make those in spades :V

I recon, Gith here are decent enough guys for us to not be stingy with details when we don't even know what is what and which is which, we aren't at all well-versed in Limbo-stuff compared to them.
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We need to make it clear that while they'd be welcome as guests, we're calling dibs on the territory as a military base for the Imperium.
 
I like the Githzerai, they're pretty chill, and I think they should be allowed to look at the pocket, at least, and maybe if we're able to Outsider-ize most/all of the Petitioners, we could have a mixed Gith-Outsider outpost as a vassal?

EDIT: If the Githzerai agree to serve us, at least
 
Honestly, even if Gith would get shifty and try to claim all of this place I wouldn't terribly mind - so long as souls of all the petitioners are kept safe (and here I assume that it is the petitioners that do the stuff, not the Fey) and without morally questionable means (I can bet that, say, Efreeti would just souljar them all and use as Limbo-breakers on the borders), all we want out of this is a safe outpost for research and maybe future expeditions.

If Gith manage to get a whole lot out of this place... why would we care, again?
They aren't their asshole brethren.

We have all of Plane of Balance, we don't need this land for land's sake in the slightest... beyond the fact that we can maybe build up some decent trade with Gith through it. Maybe.
 
What I'm hoping for us that the Crucible is a salvaged or broken off piece of Elysium. If we can figure out how to transport those to Limbo, we can build something very nice for ourselves. The Githzerai can probably help with that, not only because of their expertise with the Plane of Limbo, but because they are regularly fighting a war against the Deep Ones and Elysium is one of their battlefields.
 
Duesal said:
We need to make it clear that while they'd be welcome as guests, we're calling dibs on the territory as a military base for the Imperium.
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Honestly, I dont see any bloody point to, even now while we know jack shit as to if it'd be possible to keep the place stable to further populate it (be it with Gith or our forces).
...Since I assume we'll break the Masquerade and redpill the Petitioners, as their brainwashed existence is seriously affronting.

We get really, really few benefits out of a stable piece of Limbo compared to Gith, since we already have all the territory we might ever want.

I'm not at all feeling like being greedy on this one, especially before we know anything about it.

And even in the ideal situation (place stabilized, petitioners safe, Renly redpilled, Fey stuff researched) I'd be quite content to keep, like, 30% of the overall territory to ourselves at most - Gith really need all the stuff they can get, and we'd get much better relationship with them.


Defending the place is gonna be a nightmare once any large force becomes aware of it, though. Gotta keep that much in mind.
 
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egoo said:
Honestly, I dont see any bloody point to, even now while we know jack shit as to if it'd be possible to keep the place stable to further populate it (be it with Gith or our forces).
...Since I assume we'll break the Masquerade and redpill the Petitioners, as their brainwashed existence is seriously affronting.

We get really, really few benefits out of a stable piece of Limbo compared to Gith, since we already have all the territory we might ever want.

I'm not at all feeling like being greedy on this one, especially before we know anything about it.

And even in the ideal situation (place stabilized, petitioners safe, Renly redpilled, Fey stuff researched) I'd be quite content to keep, like, 30% of the overall territory to ourselves at most - Gith really need all the stuff they can get, and we'd get much better relationship with them.


Defending the place is gonna be a nightmare once any large force becomes aware of it, though. Gotta keep that much in mind.
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Don't dismiss the value of this place when we don't know anything about it. Defending anywhere could get dicey if a large force knows about it, but there's still value in having that military presence. This is true for Valyria. This is true for anywhere in the Planes, including here in Limbo.

If it comes to it an evacuation is fairly simple.
 
Duesal said:
Don't dismiss the value of this place when we don't know anything about it. Defending anywhere could get dicey if a large force knows about it, but there's still value in having that military presence. This is true for Valyria. This is true for anywhere in the Planes, including here in Limbo.

If it comes to it an evacuation is fairly simple.
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Eh, I'm just not quick in assigning it any specific worth beyond being a potential trade hub with Gith either, is all.

We'll argue it with them later, anyway, if/when we find anything of interest about the place.
 
egoo said:
Eh, I'm just not quick in assigning it any specific worth beyond being a potential trade hub with Gith either, is all.

We'll argue it with them later, anyway, if/when we find anything of interest about the place.
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My point of contention is that if there is anything of value that can be found here, it's ours by right of conquest. The gith are more than welcome to stay as guests and honored allies.

This is the kind of thing best made clear from the start to avoid future problems.
 
Duesal said:
My point of contention is that if there is anything of value that can be found here, it's ours by right of conquest. The gith are more than welcome to stay as guests and honored allies.

This is the kind of thing best made clear from the start to avoid future problems.
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We haven't conquered the place yet, though - merely found it.
And chances are, we won't have the time to proper conquer-and-instill-our-order in it for at least a few months. Westeros's a shitshow, so's Qohor and SlavBay.

But, okay, whatever. I don't feel like being greedy, you don't think it's greedy, whatever.
I'll add that we're claiming the place preliminarily, but are open to negotiation once the exact principles on it's working are established. Something-something, we 'care' about the 50k Petitioner souls, and wish to see them safe before all else happening.
 
Duesal said:
My point of contention is that if there is anything of value that can be found here, it's ours by right of conquest. The gith are more than welcome to stay as guests and honored allies.

This is the kind of thing best made clear from the start to avoid future problems.
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The Githzerai would not try to take it. That's Githyanki behavior, so completely anathema to them.
 
egoo said:
We haven't conquered the place yet, though - merely found it.
And chances are, we won't have the time to proper conquer-and-instill-our-order in it for at least a few months. Westeros's a shitshow, so's Qohor and SlavBay.

But, okay, whatever. I don't feel like being greedy, you don't think it's greedy, whatever.
I'll add that we're claiming the place preliminarily, but are open to negotiation once the exact principles on it's working are established. Something-something, we 'care' about the 50k Petitioner souls, and wish to see them safe before all else happening.
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To clarify, we cast down the Court of Stars, and then the Violet Court after. This belonged to the Violet Court, now it belongs to us.
Goldfish said:
The Githzerai would not try to take it. That's Githyanki behavior, so completely anathema to them.
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Doesn't hurt to be thorough.
 
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