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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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[X] Plan Recon

I am seething right now. I want to burn the fey even further into the ground for this. Part of me wants to take it out on the Courts that are still around...what is the point of all this?

Edit: I expect this from Demons and Devils. Fucking Fey orange and blue morality
 
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egoo said:
Hm.
I wonder if Gith would be interested in moving their Fortresses (or some, at least) to here instead.
'Naturally' stabilized piece of reality in Limbo means no need to waste as much effort on stabilizing their own stuff.
Would kinda draw a load of attention to the place, of course. The illithid kind.

It swam off. Was uninterested in swearing fealty or anything
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Crake said:
If it is indeed not the inhabitants doing the stabilizing themselves, this would be an incredible game changer for the Githzerai. They could make a real difference in Elysium and elsewhere that way, though it would likely take some time and debate if they want to abandon the strongholds they built and kept together for so long for somewhere new.

It would be a longterm advantage but a disadvantage in the short term. I imagine they could get this place up to snuff eventually though, and if it self-propagates...
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What if we make Renly a kind of governor of this pocket, with the Githzerai leadership serving as his council, more or less? Since the plane might need him as a metaphysical root or something? A colony with a mixed population of Petitioners and Githzerai.
 
[X] Goldfish

This quest puts out a ridiculous amount of content. Half the times I try to catch up, I don't even have time to binge read everything I've fallen behind on!
 
Since we're not going to loot this place for an afterlife could we give it to the Storm God?

If the souls here are old enough, as other's have pointed out, he might have a claim already and having an afterlife already prepped after his long time on the back foot would be a leg up deity wise.

Hell if he puts his stamp on it it might even keep these souls safe from predation and give him the wiggle room he needs to make a few Outsiders.

And if he already has an afterlife he could just snatch this up and add it to it. Wins across the board really.
 
Crake said:
@Azel

Provinces still needing highways (takes 1 Titan Tool Month each):
- Lys
- Ar Noy
- Chroyane
- Morosh
- Sallosh
- Painted Mountains

Other Projects:
- Connect Lorath to the mainland by a bridge (1 TTM)
- Create a channel in the Northern Disputed Lands, connecting the Myr river system with the Southern Disputed Lands river system. (2 TTM)
- Create a channel in the Velvet Hills, connecting the river system diving the Eastern and Western Flatlands to the Rhoyne river system. (4 TTM)
- Create a channel in the Eastern Flatlands and Golden Fields, connecting the Flatlands river system with the Rhoyne river system. (5 TTM)
- Create a channel in the Daughters March and Valon Sar, connecting the the Myr river system with the Rhoyne river system. (8 TTM)
- Create a channel in Draconys, connecting the Draconys river system to the sea near Lamentation. (5 TTM)
- Create a channel at the border of the Lands of Long Summer and Tolos, connecting the Sea of Sighs to Slavers Bay. (5 TTM)
- Create a channel in Sallosh, connecting the river system to the Shivering Sea. (4 TTM)
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@Azel
The rest of these should be finished by the end of the month. And the highway construction work will be done in Omber and Saath as well.
 
Speed53066 said:
So, what is the ETA on securing the Horn Of Winter? I will not have the Night King pull that destroy the Wall BS.
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Don't even know that it exists, never come up. If Mance does not cotton onto it before leaving the North like he did in canon, we may never find it.

None of our plans seriously relies on the Wall staying up. And I'm honestly dubious if the HoW actually is something that can singlehanded send 300 miles of ice and stone falling down simultaneously, since if it did, you could probably write off at least the North. As in, it would probably result in catastrophic damage beyond anything the DM could estimate realistically, so why make trouble for himself?

More likely the HoW will allow them some backdoor access--and they can already get assets through the Wall in the middle of Summer, I have no confidence in that not being the case in Winter.
 
I believe in DnD term, it is the horn version of the Lyre of Building or something similar to it. As for the winter assassin sneaking in, we may want to make a visit to the Wall to have a look at the entire construction. There maybe passage ways we have missed.
 
Crake said:
Vee, Zherys, Amrelath and Mereth are super killy in different ways. So yeah, that group is in good hands.
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The only two problems I can see happening is:
A) Mask-hunting group already gets bogged down in fighting by the time the reinforcements arrive
B) The reinforcements get bad rng and run into something nasty, Feywild is weird.

If we are making this place an outpost of ours, we'll have to think real careful whether to invite Gith to join.
On one hand, we'd get much closer ties with one of the few genuinely non-asshole people in the setting. Who are also psychic.
On the other hand, we'll invite constant attacks of the sort they already live in, on this little souls-filled piece of unreality.

The decision really weighs on how much we are willing to pour into defending this place - we definitely can afford to do that if we throw together some good variants suited for anti-Limbo warfare.

A thorough defense group for the place with this many people spread-out could end up costing, eeeeh, in about up to 10kk IM easily.
 
That just means a timely rescue in the case of 1, and a nice conversation piece for the mantle in the case of 2.
 
Crake said:
@Azel
The rest of these should be finished by the end of the month. And the highway construction work will be done in Omber and Saath as well.
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Done.


 
Crake said:
It's really cool to see how much we've had effect on the world map like that. Not long ago, none of that road network was there. Now it looks kinda like it was always meant to be there.
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Don't forget all the channels.

Also, do we have a Titan Tool Month over to finally finish that bridge to Dorne?
 
Crake, I love shitting on the Usurper as much as any other part of the hivemind, but this is getting ridiculous.
Crake said:
Robert:
1) Willing to drink himself into an early grave despite and maybe especially because he has magic to heal the liver damage away.
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So what you're saying is that it's completely impossible for him to drink himself into an early grave and that he can safely drink as much as he wants thanks to his access to magical healing?
And note that in this quest, Robert is explicitly not a fat fuck. He's still training for combat, etc.

Crake said:
2) Wants to treat a war with Viserys like the Trident Round 2 Electric Boogaloo, showing a tenuous grasp on reality for a guy who claims to have the same dream of crushing Rhaegar's chest in like a tin can every night.
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This is explicitly wrong. He's entirely aware of the fact that Viserys can kill him at range, and he's been getting Lannisters to make ranged weapons + ways to force melee combat. Forcing melee combat makes perfect sense when you're a Westerosi King whose greatest military asset is melee cavalry.

Crake said:
3) Has a wife who is probably the biggest shrew and prideful lady in Westeros, publicly sleeps with someone who resembles her to taunt them anyway.
4) Punishes Stannis repeatedly (fail to capture kids? Dragonstone for you. Can't beat the Ironborn without losing a leg? A little public humiliation. Failed to capture or kill THE SAME KIDS?! Leaves you to rot in a prison cell. All for, what in hindsight, things that were never his fault. One begins to wonder... At least until--
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"He did it to taunt me" and "he did it to punish me" is just casually accepting extremely biased statements seen in the books. Cersei and Stannis both interpret these things as insults because they interpret anything they don't like as a personal slight (and in Cersei's case, as a treasonous attack on her power). However, "I sleep with a beautiful blonde" could very well just be that he thinks that's hot, and "I gave Dragonstone to Stannis" could easily be "I give my loyal hardass brother the restive fief full of targ loyalists from which they might start a reconquest"

Crake said:
2.1) It implies that few people actually treat Stannis decently. Probably because he always tells the truth, no matter how unpleasant it is to hear.
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Also because he's a dick. On a personal level, he's rude, abrasive, and unpleasant to be around. People tend to forget that when they're listing reasons why Stannis doesn't have many supporters - that's an extension of his lack of friends.
 
And then... we build roads in Westeros.

And it'll practically happen overnight. Which will make the loyalists really smug, like "see he's already done more than the Stag and he's just been here for a month".
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
Also because he's a dick. On a personal level, he's rude, abrasive, and unpleasant to be around. People tend to forget that when they're listing reasons why Stannis doesn't have many supporters - that's an extension of his lack of friends.
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I'll admit that while Robert might not give it any more thought than what it appears to be on the surface level--that doesn't actually say anything better about the situation, it just shows a total lack of social awareness or interest in how that could be interpreted--also by more people than Stannis.

The whole granting the Stormlands to Renly over Stannis also sets up an even bigger succession crisis than was already on their hands in the first place. Which, again, could have been plainly seen by anyone that Robert favored Renly over Stannis, and even if that wasn't the case, you only need to legitimize your point to people who want to buy-in on what you're selling, which in relations-based politics basically means tradition means diddly if the former ruler shows it means diddly to him.

There's too many ways to list how a biased viewpoint is half the point of picking a political target to smear and show how much you're rooting for your own faction in this setting and other ones which focus on different camps fighting each other. Stannis is shown in a favorable light here (and generally interpreted as such) because of our limited viewpoint and how it colors our interactions.

Also because having someone like Stannis to contrast against someone like the Tyrells automatically means we're more liable to forgive his various faults. They are more than manageable to someone in our position, whereas someone with more equal status would find him infuriating.
 
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