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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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[X] "Mercy." You shake your head. "Maybe Aife would judge that a fair bargain, but as you would have used her soul to slay my oathsworn vassals and not just the Herald of a God, I do not."
-[X] Interrogate them thoroughly by every possible means barring true death, including turning him into a book if necessary to ensure thoroughness. After you have copied and transcribed everything of possible use, you will kill him.
 
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BronzeTongue said:
[X] Yes, the Ferryman can get more use out of him willing than you can get from a prisoner

@Crake That's a wildly excessive option. Not immediately surrendering doesn't mean that it's okay to do anything and everything with him.

We talk a lot about precedent when this kind of thing comes up, but why is it always in the context of a inverted slippery slope? So far we've never taken our treatment if prisoners in this direction, and certainly not out of spite for the person in question. Why is this guy worth establishing a new one?

Give him to the Ferryman or soul kill his ass, but torture for its own sake isn't somewhere we need to go.
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We aren't torturing them though? We get what information we want out of him and then kill him, simple as that.
 
egoo said:
Tbh, it's, like, 90% because Fey are shit on the narrative most active posters are interested in.
While we handle Fey, we aren't taking Westeros.
While we handle Fey, we aren't taking Qohor.
While we handle Fey, we aren't seeing Ymeri die.
Etc.

These Fey need to be handled IC and ended to the last one so we don't ever have to deal with them IC again, and that's it as far as I'm concerned.
'Gleefulness' comes from the fact Fey are hard to handle, and many are glad we are coming closer to being done with them.
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It still quite uncomfortable to read about. .
Crake said:
We have consistently offered mercy as our first choice, even with enemies we don't particularly like.

I will not get into the habit of sparing people who only stopped trying to SOUL KILL our vassals and regular kill us only after they are completely under our power.
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I am not saying let it go or whatever. Just give it to the ferry man and it's well behaviour is guaranteed.


[X] Yes, the Ferryman can get more use out of him willing than you can get from a prisoner
 
Crake said:
[X] Interrogate them thoroughly by every possible means barring true death, including turning him into a book if necessary to ensure thoroughness. After you have copied and transcribed everything of possible use, you will kill him.
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Thanks, dude.

[X] Crake
 
I have removed the final area of contention from my vote, but absolutely, positively no way am I leaving him alive by the end of this.
 
Shador said:
I don¡t see why people should vote for something that they don't enjoy to make you happy. Unless you have a more compeling argument I suggest you make your own vote instead of trying to change the minds of other people.
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Reads mite passive-aggressive, dude.
I don't agree with Acolyte here either, but please don't do "egoo, but 3 years ago", it crignes me out.
Thanks.

BronzeTongue said:
but torture for its own sake
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I disagree this is the case.
We are extracting information. Nothing more.

It is highly unlikely we'll need to go beyond Brain Spider+Greater Curse combo we have usually.
Or even Dominate spell.

Yss is the "wtf, this guy is overwarded to stupid level and we don't have the time"-option.
It's a really unlikely one. But still worthy of consideration.
 
Crake said:
I have removed the final area of contention from my vote, but absolutely, positively no way am I leaving him alive by the end of this.
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I am okay with that, but am confused still why it's now of all times that the fact we have Yss on call to do the thing is making people yucked out.
It's not like we even used him often, it's for really weird edge cases only, but-
Why not keep him as an option, at least?

If we learn that all other methods failed, will we allow the guy to just die?
Will we really? Aware that he's hiding something even our bullshit couldn't get through to?
 
egoo said:
I am okay with that, but am confused still why it's now of all times that the fact we have Yss on call to do the thing is making people yucked out.
It's not like we even used him often, it's for really weird edge cases only, but-
Why not keep him as an option, at least?

If we learn that all other methods failed, will we allow the guy to just die?
Will we really? Aware that he's hiding something even our bullshit couldn't get through to?
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As far as I understand their arguments, it's because some people weren't aware that we have already done this kind of thing before, somehow, and felt like it was a line that shouldn't be crossed.
 
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egoo said:
I am okay with that, but am confused still why it's now of all times that the fact we have Yss on call to do the thing is making people yucked out.
It's not like we even used him often, it's for really weird edge cases only, but-
Why not keep him as an option, at least?

If we learn that all other methods failed, will we allow the guy to just die?
Will we really? Aware that he's hiding something even our bullshit couldn't get through to?
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We'll be able to detect whether or not he's hiding shit we can't discover. We always have before. If that is the case, we can vote on further means of extraction.
 
Acolyte said:
It wouldn't cost us nothing and mercy is it's own reward. It makes me happy to read about it.
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Mercy and alliance was the first choice. The Court of Stars is the one that made that untenable, and unlike the Azure Court and the Green Court, the Indigo Court decided they'd rather die than follow mortal law.

The number of chances you want to grant the Fey in the name of mercy is unjustified. They have chosen to be our enemies multiple times over.
 
egoo said:
I am okay with that, but am confused still why it's now of all times that the fact we have Yss on call to do the thing is making people yucked out.
It's not like we even used him often, it's for really weird edge cases only, but-
Why not keep him as an option, at least?

If we learn that all other methods failed, will we allow the guy to just die?
Will we really? Aware that he's hiding something even our bullshit couldn't get through to?
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Players aren't always rational, but I kind of hated the repeated arguments I had in the past that one vote ties you down to always making that decision--except in the situations where you wanted to do even more yucky things, and now you are eternally locked into making yuckier and yuckier decisions because "you're totally fine with it now, WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU'RE NOT TOTALLY FINE WITH IT NOW?"

That's a logical fallacy, @egoo.
 
Duesal said:
Mercy and alliance was the first choice. The Court of Stars is the one that made that untenable, and unlike the Azure Court and the Green Court, the Indigo Court decided they'd rather die than follow mortal law.

The number of chances you want to grant the Fey in the name of mercy is unjustified. They have chosen to be our enemies multiple times over.
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Okay. I am aware of that. I am all on board killing it. I just felt it was excessive. It's fine now. There are grades of enemies and the fae are not evil enough to be mind raped, we literally dislike them for planning to do that, would be mighty hypocrisy to do the same thing to them.
 
Crake said:
[X] "Mercy." You shake your head. "Maybe Aife would judge that a fair bargain, but as you would have used her soul to slay my oathsworn vassals and not the Herald of a God, I do not."
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... I liked the initial, :turian:villainous:turian: version more :sour:

Goldfish said:
We'll be able to detect whether or not he's hiding shit we can't discover. We always have before. If that is the case, we can vote on further means of extraction.
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I just don't like to waste updates?
We get few enough these days as-is T_T
By writing out all beforehand, even the highly-unlikely-but-may-happen case of needing Yss, means potentially not wasting an update. I'm all for that.

Crake said:
Players aren't always rational, but I kind of hated the repeated arguments I had in the past that one vote ties you down to always making that decision--except in the situations where you wanted to do even more yucky things, and now you are eternally locked into making yuckier and yuckier decisions because "you're totally fine with it now, WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU'RE NOT TOTALLY FINE WITH IT NOW?"

That's a logical fallacy, @egoo.
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I simply don't see a good reason to step back from our previous policy in this case, then?
 
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If people want to draw new lines in the sand, that's fine. It's sand. Mutable and transient. It will eventually shift over again and again as time goes by and opinions change.

Morality isn't a zero sum game, or you wouldn't have Devils trying to create a government that doesn't perpetuate toxic ideals.
 
Technically you could use scribe's binding to try to re-write someone's mind and thoughts and for a mortal it would work reasonably well, but for an immortal like a fey or outsider whose experiences are near endless it would be and exercise in futility.
 
DragonParadox said:
Technically you could use scribe's binding to try to re-write someone's mind and thoughts and for a mortal it would work reasonably well, but for an immortal like a fey or outsider whose experiences are near endless it would be and exercise in futility.
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Wich means that the changed vote is actually worse than the original.

I mean, yeah, the probability of actually needing to use our more radical options was small, but at least it was, you know, an option.
 
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