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RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

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I bet it's something that requires a runesmith to make on top of being a good normal smith. I would not be surprised if adamant was used to make at least one of the tools needed to make chain.
 
BungieONI said:
This is a bit of information from canon which was that Grungni was the only dwarf to ever figure out how to do it.
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That's true, the way that Grungni stated the bolded part seems to say that a few others had figured it out? Hmm, now that I'm reading it again it's honestly hard to say.

soulcake said:
"Fine fine. I wanted something special to give the boy, but here you are pushing me along! Hmmph, well sorry to say lad it's not the most unique gift, but maybe you can do something with it hmm? Or maybe not, and one of the other young folk I've handed a nugget or two figures it out, a dwarf should always have many investments after all. A wide portfolio is a stable portfolio!" he chortles as he hands you a fine silver necklace, five bright emblems dangling from it.
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I mean, if Thungni and Smednir haven't been able to figure it out, there is no chance in hell that Snorri will be able to. Smednir is the patron of metalworking and gromril is Thungni's metal. It's not like that we don't have evidence of them working together, Smednir taught Thungni how to craft tools and they created Gal Baraz and the other runic works.

Hmm, I'll say it again, but I could be reading that wrong. Grungni mentioned that he had given gromril chains out before. He might be saying the figuring out part in the future tense?
 
BungieONI said:
I'm not doing it because I want to save favor with them, we only have 50. I'm pretty certain we can give them the best care without pulling the clerics in.
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I disagree with this.
We voted to go all in, so we should go all in and leverage all resources we have awailable, including favours.
We can afford to burn 10 favors, just for the sake of thoroughness, and because doing so fits Snorri naratievly
 
Thor's Twin said:
Just a reminder, but this action:



Isn't building the Hold. This is properly supplying them with the material necessary to found a hold. Building a hold takes a lot more work than can be done in a single decade, no matter how much overflow you put into the first stages.
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I would like to think that we are going to put our new found Gronti knowledge to use. Which will help with all the later stages.
 
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yannoshka said:
I disagree with this.
We voted to go all in, so we should go all in and leverage all resources we have awailable, including favours.
We can afford to burn 10 favors, just for the sake of thoroughness, and because doing so fits Snorri naratievly
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we can use multiple of the favor actions, so just use more hold favors instead
 
Snorri swore an oath : "That I will do all in my power to aid in the building of your new Karak." Doubtless when she heard that Grimvala failed to comprehend, how could she? She doesn't know the stories or The Gift Giver, The Earth Mover. To her Snorri was Azrilgromthi a Vengryn, a warrior of great power but now we have a chance to show her the other side of Snorri, what he truly means when he say's he'll help:

[x] Plan Santa the Hold Founder
-[x] Hold Founding: [Cost 6 actions] 3 Snorri Actions, 2 Apprentice actions
-- [x] A Favour from Otrek: Spend 50 Favour.
- [x] Render Aid: 1 Retainer Action

Simple plan, Snorri does everything he canm physically to fulfill his oath this turn. Simultaneously he calls on Otrek to match his contributions, this aids the new hold further; helps build ties between Kraka Drakk and the new hold and relieves some of the burden placed on the royal family by their massive debt to Snorri. And the apprentices also help out, this is a good learning opportunity as well as a chance for them to forge ties that will be usefull when they leave Snorri next turn. For those worried about the Yorri request we still have 2 apprentice actions next turn to do that (apprentices leave after doing their actions next turn) but the experience helping the hold is only going to be available this turn.

soulcake said:
(*New*)[X] Hold Founding: [Cost: 1 action, 1 retainer action] Locked in until end of turn 40. The political and technical finagling required to get an expedition equipped to form a Hold is one that requires a good deal of attention to make sure things get done properly. For the survivors of Dum this is an even greater necessity, as they quite literally suffered a near total collapse of their Guild and Clerical system after the betrayal. Apprentices will need proper Masters and the Dawi of Dum caught up to speed, and finding the right Dwarf for such a task is one of great effort indeed.
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If this is locked in until the end of turn 40 that's a total of 9 turns not 8 like the vote said. (I literally counted this on my fingers like 3 times to be sure, even though I knew I was right)

Now to try and get 3 hours sleep before work tomorrow, damn you Soulcake keeping me up with an excellent quest!
 
[X] Plan Build That Hold and Poke A Potato
[X] Plan Build That Hold and Take A Walk
[X] Plan Team Odd Potato
[X] Plan Team Master Rune
[x] Plan Santa the Hold Founder
[X] Plan: Return of the Gift Giver
 
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We're at the point where there's just too many things to do to overflow every single action. This plan still provides two overflow via favor and starts rune metal progress again after 15 turns. We should be able to finish the chain part 1 next turn and even part 2 the turn after.

[X] Plan Build That Hold and Rune Metal
-[X] The Rune Metal Pt. 1b: [Cost: 8 actions] 2 actions
-[X] Render Aid. 1 Retainer Action.
-[X] Hold Founding: [Cost 6 actions] Productivity Like no Other will proc. This is a great deal of work, one devoted wholly to crafting, ordering and coordinating with the survivors of Dum to properly supply them with the material necessary to found a Hold. While technically less difficult, the sheer scale of material required will be more than enough to make such a thing quite the daunting task indeed. 2 Apprentice Actions. 1 Actions.
--[X] A Favour from Otrek: [Cost: 10 Favour from Kraka Drakk] Can be taken multiple times. Gain 1 progress. You have some amount of influence on King Otrek. Normally you have little need or desire to ask him for aid, much to his dismay, but here the pull and weight of a King can be of great use. At the very least it will help the man lessen the crushing weight of the debt he and his Clan owe you. Sometimes you wonder if you went overboard. Bah, nonsense! 50 Kraka Drakk Favor
-[X] [Simple] Yorri's Request: [Cost: 2 apprentice actions] Due whenever.
--[X] Accept
 
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Vote's open so let's start if off!

[X] Plan Build That Hold and Poke A Potato

[X] Plan: Return of the Gift Giver

[X] Plan Build That Hold and Rune Metal

Love all of these plans though I'm kind of hoping for the last two to win the most!
 
[X] Plan Build That Hold and Take A Walk
-[X] Odd Places 8/10: [Cost: 1 action] Can be taken multiple times. Roll for usefulness. 1 Action.
-[X] Render Aid. 1 Retainer Action.
-[X] Hold Founding: [Cost 6 actions] Productivity Like no Other will proc. This is a great deal of work, one devoted wholly to crafting, ordering and coordinating with the survivors of Dum to properly supply them with the material necessary to found a Hold. While technically less difficult, the sheer scale of material required will be more than enough to make such a thing quite the daunting task indeed. 2 Apprentice Actions. 2 Actions.
--[X] A Favour from Otrek: [Cost: 10 Favour from Kraka Drakk] Can be taken multiple times. Gain 1 progress. You have some amount of influence on King Otrek. Normally you have little need or desire to ask him for aid, much to his dismay, but here the pull and weight of a King can be of great use. At the very least it will help the man lessen the crushing weight of the debt he and his Clan owe you. Sometimes you wonder if you went overboard. Bah, nonsense! 50 Kraka Drakk Favor
-[X] [Simple] Yorri's Request: [Cost: 2 apprentice actions] Due whenever.
--[X] Accept

[X] Plan Build That Hold and Poke A Potato
-[X] Render Aid. 1 Retainer Action.
-[X] Hold Founding: [Cost 6 actions] Productivity Like no Other will proc. This is a great deal of work, one devoted wholly to crafting, ordering and coordinating with the survivors of Dum to properly supply them with the material necessary to found a Hold. While technically less difficult, the sheer scale of material required will be more than enough to make such a thing quite the daunting task indeed. 2 Apprentice Actions. 2 Actions.
--[X] A Favour from Otrek: [Cost: 10 Favour from Kraka Drakk] Can be taken multiple times. Gain 1 progress. You have some amount of influence on King Otrek. Normally you have little need or desire to ask him for aid, much to his dismay, but here the pull and weight of a King can be of great use. At the very least it will help the man lessen the crushing weight of the debt he and his Clan owe you. Sometimes you wonder if you went overboard. Bah, nonsense! 50 Kraka Drakk Favor
-[X] Durazkul: [Cost: (4 -3) =1 action] Student of the Odd and Soul of the Earth will proc.
-[X] [Simple] Yorri's Request: [Cost: 2 apprentice actions] Due whenever.
--[X] Accept

[X] Plan: Return of the Gift Giver
-[X] Render Aid: [Cost: 1 retainer action] 1 Retainer Action
-[X] Hold Founding: [Cost 6 actions] Productivity Like no Other will proc. 3 Actions.
--[X] A Favour from Otrek: [Cost: 10 Favour from Kraka Drakk] 70 Kraka Drakk Favour
-[X] [Simple] Yorri's Request: [Cost: 2 apprentice actions] 2 Apprentice Actions.
--[X] Accept
 
wait for actions using 50 favor that is 5/6 actions needed for hold founding which is gathering support and materials for the hold building.
 
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[X] Plan Build That Hold and Rune Metal
-[X] The Rune Metal Pt. 1b: [Cost: 8 actions] 2 actions
-[X] Render Aid. 1 Retainer Action.
-[X] Hold Founding: [Cost 6 actions] Productivity Like no Other will proc. This is a great deal of work, one devoted wholly to crafting, ordering and coordinating with the survivors of Dum to properly supply them with the material necessary to found a Hold. While technically less difficult, the sheer scale of material required will be more than enough to make such a thing quite the daunting task indeed. 2 Apprentice Actions. 1 Actions.
--[X] A Favour from Otrek: [Cost: 10 Favour from Kraka Drakk] Can be taken multiple times. Gain 1 progress. You have some amount of influence on King Otrek. Normally you have little need or desire to ask him for aid, much to his dismay, but here the pull and weight of a King can be of great use. At the very least it will help the man lessen the crushing weight of the debt he and his Clan owe you. Sometimes you wonder if you went overboard. Bah, nonsense! 50 Kraka Drakk Favor
-[X] [Simple] Yorri's Request: [Cost: 2 apprentice actions] Due whenever.
--[X] Accept



[X] Plan Build That Hold and Take A Walk
 
tri2 said:
we can use multiple of the favor actions, so just use more hold favors instead
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We can use both apples and pears for a fruit salad, but have fewer pears, so why shouldn't we only use apples?
Because using those fewer pears would make for a better, more varied fruit salad.
Mind, that is just my opinion/attitude.

[] Plan: Return of the Gift Giver - All in edition
-[] Render Aid: [Cost: 1 retainer action] 1 Retainer Action
-[] Hold Founding: [Cost 6 actions] Productivity Like no Other will proc. 3 Actions.
--[] A Favour from Otrek: [Cost: 10 Favour from Kraka Drakk] 60 Kraka Drakk Favour
- [] Clerical Aid: [Cost: 10 Favour from the Cult of Valaya] 10 Cult of Valaya Favour
-[] [Simple] Yorri's Request: [Cost: 2 apprentice actions] 2 Apprentice Actions.
--[] Accept
 
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[X] Plan Build That Hold and Take A Walk
-[X] Odd Places 8/10: [Cost: 1 action] Can be taken multiple times. Roll for usefulness. 1 Action.
-[X] Render Aid. 1 Retainer Action.
-[X] Hold Founding: [Cost 6 actions] Productivity Like no Other will proc. This is a great deal of work, one devoted wholly to crafting, ordering and coordinating with the survivors of Dum to properly supply them with the material necessary to found a Hold. While technically less difficult, the sheer scale of material required will be more than enough to make such a thing quite the daunting task indeed. 2 Apprentice Actions. 2 Actions.
--[X] A Favour from Otrek: [Cost: 10 Favour from Kraka Drakk] Can be taken multiple times. Gain 1 progress. You have some amount of influence on King Otrek. Normally you have little need or desire to ask him for aid, much to his dismay, but here the pull and weight of a King can be of great use. At the very least it will help the man lessen the crushing weight of the debt he and his Clan owe you. Sometimes you wonder if you went overboard. Bah, nonsense! 50 Kraka Drakk Favor
-[X] [Simple] Yorri's Request: [Cost: 2 apprentice actions] Due whenever.
--[X] Accept
 
[x] Plan Santa the Hold Founder
-[x] Hold Founding: [Cost 6 actions] 3 Snorri Actions, 2 Apprentice actions
-- [x] A Favour from Otrek: Spend 50 Favour.
- [x] Render Aid: 1 Retainer Action

[X] Plan: Return of the Gift Giver
-[X] Render Aid: [Cost: 1 retainer action] 1 Retainer Action
-[X] Hold Founding: [Cost 6 actions] Productivity Like no Other will proc. 3 Actions.
--[X] A Favour from Otrek: [Cost: 10 Favour from Kraka Drakk] 70 Kraka Drakk Favour
-[X] [Simple] Yorri's Request: [Cost: 2 apprentice actions] 2 Apprentice Actions.
--[X] Accept
 
but the real question is will the overflow actually do anything considering considering the actual scope of the action?
 
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