A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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Oh that is already illegal, the trouble is that the people who gave the false documents can claim truthfully that they didn't know it was false. It was centuries old not a recent forgery.
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Then I don't really see the problem. The opposing party still has the right to challenge evidence, which it may ir may not want to do with a certified Divination result.
I'm not seeing why we should put state resources behind frivolous lawsuits.
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[X] Azel
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A very easy way to help mitigate this sort of issue would be to widely implement the use of Gloves of Object Reading. We have a good supply of them now, but can order more from the Githzerai with our retroactive commission for the 3rd month (which I will post as soon as I have a chance to set up my PC in the hotel).
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The Reach rumors are going to be amazing.
This one case has been solved just so, the trouble is that without a commitment from the state to get divination involved in non-criminal law you end up with a situation where the wealthy are inherently very favored in such cases. At least with the civilian load where it is now.
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[X] Plan Civil Litigation For Dummies
-[X] Make it clear that the courts will not provide free Divination services to the parties of civil suits, as that would invite a gross waste and misuse of House of Mirrors resources.
-[X] You will instead introduce the following changes to procedure:
--[X] When a party in a suit introduces evidence, the other party must be given at least 5 days in which they can get full access to that evidence before it becomes admissible in court. Such contact will be supervised by a representative of the court and one of each party to prevent tampering. Any day on which such a viewing of the evidence could be done counts against this limit, regardless of the opposing party taking this opportunity or not. The opposing party can waive this right, if they so wish.
--[X] A party can request the court to verify evidence by Divination by the House of Mirrors, but the court can reject this request if it is made frivolously. The cost of this examination becomes part of the suit and the judge decides who will pay for all or parts of the Divination expenses as part of the judgment.
--[X] To alleviate the strain on the House of Mirrors, assign 50 pairs of Gloves of Object Reading to the judiciary to be used as an alternative where possible. When used for civil cases, this will be handled the same as with a Divination (see above).
-[X] Make it clear that the courts will not provide free Divination services to the parties of civil suits, as that would invite a gross waste and misuse of House of Mirrors resources.
-[X] You will instead introduce the following changes to procedure:
--[X] When a party in a suit introduces evidence, the other party must be given at least 5 days in which they can get full access to that evidence before it becomes admissible in court. Such contact will be supervised by a representative of the court and one of each party to prevent tampering. Any day on which such a viewing of the evidence could be done counts against this limit, regardless of the opposing party taking this opportunity or not. The opposing party can waive this right, if they so wish.
--[X] A party can request the court to verify evidence by Divination by the House of Mirrors, but the court can reject this request if it is made frivolously. The cost of this examination becomes part of the suit and the judge decides who will pay for all or parts of the Divination expenses as part of the judgment.
--[X] To alleviate the strain on the House of Mirrors, assign 50 pairs of Gloves of Object Reading to the judiciary to be used as an alternative where possible. When used for civil cases, this will be handled the same as with a Divination (see above).
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Good night guys, see you tomorrow as we see how the empire has been doing, good bad and odd.
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- Germany
If we just plainly give everyone a right to Divinations in a legal context, that just means the House of Mirrors will be permanently clogged by legal Divinations. There would be no reason no to challenge every scrap of evidence by Divination, which just makes everything more lopsided in favor of the rich by virtue of dragging out even the simplest of cases.
True, there would obviously be some limitations on what is admissable for state aid, but that is below the level of abstraction.
Edit: Will talk more on this in the morning, half asleep right now.
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Still, an enemy might eventaully launch a denial of service attack on our house of mirrors by making a fuckton of legal quarrels that require divinations.
We might need to expand the House of Mirrors at some point, so that the prospect of the former happening becomes unlikely.
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Hence my revised vote, which makes that pretty much impossible.
Also, keep in mind that state divination has priority. If we ask the House of Mirrors something, it's done immediately and the other stuff gets pushed back. Same for the Inquisition and the military.
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We could also try to front load some of this by setting up a notary system with increasingly expensive grades of divination backed verification. We'd basically be repackaging something people can already buy, but I bet we'd still make good money and encourage people to deal with this shit before it reaches a courtroom while doing it.
We could also try to front load some of this by setting up a notary system with increasingly expensive grades of divination backed verification. We'd basically be repackaging something people can already buy, but I bet we'd still make good money and encourage people to deal with this shit before it reaches a courtroom while doing it.
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- Germany
I'd wager the Iron Bank already got that covered.
Magical_Duck
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