Interlude CMXXXI: Dragon's Delegation
Dragon's Delegation

Thirteenth Day of the Third Month 294 AC

Hermetia read through the last Inquisition dispatches with more interest than she was willing to admit to herself. She had played diplomat in the realms of water, why not spy in the realms of fire next? Alas, the strident voice of sense would not be silenced. She was nowhere near skilled enough at conjuring to deal with devils as the sorceress Siduri did. Even the erinyes who had no love of intrigues and treachery could play that game with the skill born of long ages.

It was time to go home to Lys, see what plays have debuted in her absence, and the less cheerful prospect of some magister deciding the governor's absence was good time to step out of line. You couldn't really train the treachery out of some of the old guard, just keep watch and hope that when they inevitably lashed themselves to their own pyre it wouldn't burn down too much else in the process. And now I'm bloody depressed at the prospect already.

"Koron," she eyed the 'young' man who was overseeing triton haulers carrying an improbable number of large bulky boxes through the foyer. "Tell me something funny, I need a laugh."

"Did you know returning diplomats don't have to pay any import taxes on any souvenirs they may have picked up in their travels?" he asked with a brilliant smile.

The sorceress laughed, not bothering to hide the expression beneath a demure hand as she might have done in other company. "I'll be sure to pass on that nugget of wisdom to the Office of Trade."

"Now why would you do that?" he practically whined.

"Because if I have to pay hundreds of thousands of marks in taxes I'm not going to let anyone else get away with dodging them if I can help it," she replied instantly. In spite of the fact that such arrangements had been common in Volantis she had never considered making use of her contacts to avoid taxes, not just because she was almost certain it would not work, but because taxes were necessary. They helped keep the realm together for everyone, from making sure the streets did not smell like shit to keeping the realm safe from fish men and frozen corpses. Seeing Koron's worried expression she added. "Don't worry about whatever you are passing through now, laws are not retroactive."

"How come?" he asked frowning still, but more in contusion than worry. "Wouldn't it serve the King's pockets more if they were?" And there was the smile again, flirtatious unless she missed her guess. "I'd ask Menel, but he would probably fill my head with numbers so think I'd have to drink the headache away."

Since he hadn't added that 'he would rather hear it from a pretty girl' this time Hermetia kept the eye rolling internal. "The law has to be founded on uniform principles or it makes a mess of the courts and trying to uniformly enshrine retroactive law would mean every magister in Essos is a slaver, myself included technically."

The old Braavosi corsair winced. "Would've made conquering Essos harder, that's for sure."

***​

As Hermaita's household and the other staff who would be leading for the Deep assembled beside the ivory arches that would soon hold the new Terminus to Vialesk. Diana still had not arrived, but Hermetia was hopeful she had managed to persuade one of the local archmages to take the King's offer. Alas, the incarnate arrived late and in a foul mood beside. The last mage she had spoken to had apparently been evasive in the hopes he could hire her.

"Honestly, what gave him the idea I wanted to live there, it's a nice enough place to visit, but I like to see the sun every once in a while," she sniffed. "I'm not some experiment that accidentally attained sapience just waiting to jump ship."

"Home sounds good," Hermertia agreed as the magic of passage washed over her.

What next?

[] Write in

OOC: Archmage rolls for Vialesk were poor, but the main thrust of the action succeeded. The Terminus Network will soon link four planes.
 
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Imperial Steel Dragons or remaking the chromatics?

Because if the latter, then I'm not too excited about the prospect myself.
Again, I only put it in as reference, because somebody (don't remember who) asked "how hard would that be?"-sort of question.

I'll remove that outta the list if y'all are so jittery about the prospect tho.
I'm not particularly enthused by either option, either. I won't argue much against them if that's what ya'll want to work on, but I think our resources are better spent elsewhere.
 
Especially the part where Dark Sister gets involved.
Well, unlike the "make her an Outsider" it's a thing we can do right this moment. So it's there as an option.
Was even brought up IC in a chapter with Viserys thinking "should make her a body".

Not everything on the list should be done. Most definitely not everything on the list will ever be done.
We had a comb-over deleting some outdated and "will never touch it, will we?"-actions already.
These ones serve as a comparison if nothing else, but they, too, will get deleted soon enough. Next cleanse in 3 IC months.

Sorry for pointing your way about IS dragons, fam. Will cease now.

---------------------------------------- Time to move the Month's timeline forward! Whooo! --------------------------------------

-[X] Part 3 - The Great Summoning: Summon as many Fiends as you possibly can to fuel the ritual.
--[X] In preparation for accelerated Summoning, Viserys will create a series of ten temporary Demiplanes, one per day leading up to his and Lya's efforts. Each will be intended for one day of use before being Dispelled in order to prevent planar instability. With guidance from Lya and his own deep understanding of planar mechanics, Viserys will determine the best Plane other than the Material Plane to serve as a link for the Demiplanes, the plane from which the initial spell will be cast.
---[X] The Demiplanes will be created using Create Greater Demiplane.
----[X] Each Demiplane will be warded using a Forbiddance spell which encompasses the entire space, except for one small area that will be used for entry and exit, and the Summoning Circle itself. The entry/exit point will be blocked by a large stone block which we can move in and out of place as needed. The walls of each Demiplane will be coated in a thin sheet of transmuted lead for additional anti-Divination purposes, and the Mage's Private Sanctum and Lost Passage spells will be placed on the day of the Summoning.
----[X] The Summoning Circle will feature an inverted Magic Circle Against Evil along with a Hallow spell linked to a Dimensional Anchor effect to allow Summoning but to prevent the circle from being used as an entry or exit point from the Demiplane using dimensional travel magic or abilities.
-----[X] The Summoning Circle will feature a Hardened Steel vat which will be used to contain an Advanced Stone Pudding identical to the one being used in the Snare this month.
----[X] Another Hallow spell linked to a Resist Energy (Acid) spell will protect everyone, our Summoned and Petrified Brimoraks included, from incidental Acid damage from the Stone Pudding.
----[X] A Shrink Item Chamber identical to the advanced model being used in the Snare will be shrink all of the Petrified Brimoraks for easy storage and transport.
---[X] As detailed here, once Summoning begins, Lya and Viserys should be able to Summon 394 Brimoraks per day per Demiplane, totaling 2,364 HD.
---[X] Companions and additional guards who will help oversee the Summoning will be determined later in the month when the process actually begins.
----[x] Summoners: Viserys, Lya (1st Body)
----[x] Guards: Dany, Richard, Vee (Free Action), Zherys, Waymar (Free Action), Malarys, Tyene (Free Action), Adamantine Golem (Monk 1)



@DragonParadox, how many Demiplanes did Viserys made before the 11th of the month?
How much time it takes to make one more, assuming we'd want to commit more time than "1 demiplane per day for 11 days"?
 
Dragon's Delegation

Thirteenth Day of the Third Month 294 AC

Hermetia read through the last inquisition dispatches with more interest than she was willing to admit to herself. She had played diplomat in the realms of water, why not spy in the realms of fire next? Alas the strident voice of sense would not be silenced. She was nowhere near skilled enough at conjuring to deal with devils as the sorceress Siduri did. Even the Erinyes who had no love of intrigues and treachery could play that game with the skill born of long ages.

It was time to go home to Lys, see what plays have debuted in her absence, and the less cheerful prospect of some magister deciding the governor's absence was good time to step out of line. You couldn't really train the treachery out of some of the old guard, just keep watch and hope that when they inevitably lashed themselves to their own pyre it wouldn't burn down too much else in the process. And now I'm bloody depressed at the prospect already.

"Koron," she eyed the 'young' man who was overseeing triton haulers carrying an improbable number of large bulky boxes through the foyer. "Tell me something funny? I need a laugh."

"Did you know returning diplomats don't have to pay any import taxes on any souvenirs they may have picked up in their travels?" he asked with a brilliant smile.

The sorceress laughed, not bothering to hide the expression demurely beneath a hand as she might have done in other company. "I'll be sure to pass that nugget of wisdom to the Office of Trade."

"Now why would you do that?" he practically whined.

"Because if I have to pay hundreds of thousands of marks in taxes, I'm not going to let anyone else get away with dodging them if I can help it," she replied instantly. In spite of the fact that such arrangements had been common in Volantis, she had never considered making use of her contacts to avoid tax. Not just because she was almost certain it would not work, but because taxes were necessary. They helped keep the realm together for everyone, from making sure the streets did not smell like shit, to keeping the realm safe from fish men and frozen corpses. Seeing Koron's worried expression, she added, "Don't worry about whatever you are passing through now, laws are not retroactive."

"How come?" he asked, frowning still but more in contusion than worry. "Wouldn't it serve the king's pockets more if they were?" And there was the smile again, flirtatious unless she missed her guess. "I'd ask Menel, but he would probably fill my head with numbers so thick I'd have to drink the headache away."

Since he hadn't added that 'he would rather hear it from a pretty girl' this time, Hermetia kept the eye rolling internal. "The law has to be founded on uniform principles or it makes a mess of the courts, and trying to uniformly enshrine retroactive law would mean every magister in Essos is a slaver, myself included technically."

The old Braavosi corsair winced. "Would've made conquering Essos harder, that's for sure."

***​

As Hermetia's household and the other staff who would be leaving for the Deep assembled beside the ivory arches that would soon hold the new Terminus to Vialesk, Diana still had not arrived. Hermetia was hopeful she had managed to persuade one of the local archmages to take the king's offer. Alas, the incarnate arrived late and in a foul mood beside. The last mage she had spoken to had apparently been evasive in the hopes he could hire her.

"Honestly, what gave him the idea I wanted to live here? It's a nice enough place to visit, but I like to see the sun every once in a while," she sniffed. "I'm not some experiment that accidentally attained sapience just waiting to jump ship."

"Home sounds good," Hermetia agreed as the magic of passage washed over her.

What next?

[] Write in

OOC: Archmage rolls for Vialesk were poor but the main thrust of the action succeeded. The Terminus network will soon link four planes. Not yet edited.
Here's an edited version of the chapter, DP.
 
[X] egoo
You couldn't really train the treachery out of some of the old guard, just keep watch and hope that when they inevitably lashed themselves to their own pyre it wouldn't burn down too much else in the process.
Ain't that the sad truth? Just like you can't fix stupid...

Some folks, no matter how many times they see their fellows fail in one plot or another, no matter the consequences for that failure, they instead think "I can do better" or "I'll never get caught".

And Lys seems to have more than their fair share of those folks, even when judged against the other Essosi cities of note.
 
Well, unlike the "make her an Outsider" it's a thing we can do right this moment. So it's there as an option.
Was even brought up IC in a chapter with Viserys thinking "should make her a body".

Not everything on the list should be done. Most definitely not everything on the list will ever be done.
We had a comb-over deleting some outdated and "will never touch it, will we?"-actions already.
These ones serve as a comparison if nothing else, but they, too, will get deleted soon enough. Next cleanse in 3 IC months.

Sorry for pointing your way about IS dragons, fam. Will cease now.
Yeah. Look. Here is the thing. You are artificially keeping this option alive by continuing to list it and bringing it up, despite this having been discussed and pretty much unanimously rejected. In fact, I'm pretty sure the only reason this option ever got mention IC is because DP looked over the list of research actions and flatly assumed that because it still is listed there, we actively want to do it.

I asked you last time to remove and I would like to do so again.
 
Yeah. Look. Here is the thing. You are artificially keeping this option alive by continuing to list it and bringing it up, despite this having been discussed and pretty much unanimously rejected. In fact, I'm pretty sure the only reason this option ever got mention IC is because DP looked over the list of research actions and flatly assumed that because it still is listed there, we actively want to do it.

I asked you last time to remove and I would like to do so again.
okay
 
I think if we want to produce new types of dragon, it should have both an IC-inspiration and a mechanical reason why we would want that kind of dragon.

One viable option for me would be to create a new variant of the Arcane Dragon, like the Tome or Hex Dragon. We do know a reasonably hostile Hex Dragon to use as the baseline for our creation and a dragon with a very high caster level to HD ratio and many spells known would be valuable to have in our service.

In numbers, a Hex Dragon has a Caster level of 9 as an Adult with 19 HD, making the ratio almost 1:2.
A Red Dragon has a CL of 7 as an Adult with 22 HD, making it worse than 1:3.
For a Tome Dragon its even better and they get free Metamagic, though in exchange the physical stats and breathweapon are rather pathetic for a dragon.

Of course the ratio changes a bit depending on age (it gets generally better with higher age), but the CL of Arcane Dragons remains superior.


If there is interest in making such a dragon (including both murdering the Old Hex on the Plane of Earth and dedicated research), then I would be willing to design a new Dragon with the fitting crunch and fluff.

Edit: I can't link them here, because I can't find a full write-up on the internet, but they are both in Dragon Magazin #343, if you want a look.
 
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I think if we want to produce new types of dragon, it should have both an IC-inspiration and a mechanical reason why we would want that kind of dragon.

One viable option for me would be to create a new variant of the Arcane Dragon, like the Tome or Hex Dragon. We do know a reasonably hostile Hex Dragon to use as the baseline for our creation and a dragon with a very high caster level to HD ratio and many spells known would be valuable to have in our service.

In numbers, a Hex Dragon has a Caster level of 9 as an Adult with 19 HD, making the ratio almost 1:2.
A Red Dragon has a CL of 7 as an Adult with 22 HD, making it worse than 1:3.
For a Tome Dragon its even better and they get free Metamagic, though in exchange the physical stats and breathweapon are rather pathetic for a dragon.

Of course the ratio changes a bit depending on age (it gets generally better with higher age), but the CL of Arcane Dragons remains superior.


If there is interest in making such a dragon (including both murdering the Old Hex on the Plane of Earth and dedicated research), then I would be willing to design a new Dragon with the fitting crunch and fluff.

Edit: I can't link them here, because I can't find a full write-up on the internet, but they are both in Dragon Magazin #343, if you want a look.
This sounds pretty damn broken to me and reminder here that we are not supposed to make super-casters in the forges.
 
So, ah, any votes?

If y'all aren't interested in seeing the on-screen preparations for CoS-wiping we can probably skip those for now and get a report for Slavers' Bay instead..?
 
[X] egoo

Ain't that the sad truth? Just like you can't fix stupid...

Some folks, no matter how many times they see their fellows fail in one plot or another, no matter the consequences for that failure, they instead think "I can do better" or "I'll never get caught".

And Lys seems to have more than their fair share of those folks, even when judged against the other Essosi cities of note.
Nah, some people just don't think at all and simply do it. It's far more common than anyone would ever admit.
 
[X] egoo

Tbh, wouldn't care if Slavers bay accidentally ceased to exist and we get a one line report saying not a problem anymore. I don't want more slavers bay.
 
This sounds pretty damn broken to me and reminder here that we are not supposed to make super-casters in the forges.
Not more than anything else we make.

I mean, let's talk about a CR 15 Mature Adult Hexdragon. the highest CR our Forge could support. And also something we would produce in very limited quantity, similar to other Adult dragons we made so far.
It has CL 11 as a Sorcerer, so it's limited to level 5 spells and for a Dragon it's physically pretty weak, Amrelath could propably kill 2 of them.

At a glance it would be overall far weaker than for example a Greater BLoodclot Mold on a Black Champion (Weaker magic than the former, including lower Charisma, and weaker body than the latter) and without the many inherent immunities of either.

It's fully within the given limit of 5th level magic at most.

It has advantages, being a good flyer, having reasonably strong magic in a draconic body and all that, but compared to our other creations it would not be overpowered at all, unless we wait for a few centuries to mature into Wyrm ages, but that's true for all True Dragons and outside the scope of this quest.
 
This sounds pretty damn broken to me and reminder here that we are not supposed to make super-casters in the forges.
Why tho. Everyone else can. They have had thousands of years of building up their casters. And the devils can just create being that have spellcasting abilities they want. I think there was that abilities that pitfiend had to shape lower devils to higher levels.
 
Doylist? We want a semblance of balance, and being able to make CR 15 with full casting is way too OP, even for us, considering there's no any "max number creatures made per month"-limits for our Fleshforges.
Watsonian? Shit goes haywire in the Fleshforge if someone tries to push too much magic into a creature, allowing at most some one-off projects, and not mass-production.

They have had thousands of years of building up their casters.
And we haven't had these years.
Would be plain weird if we could suddenly match all of these factions, now wouldn't it?

Thing is, for all we are totally OP insofar as DnD mechanics are concerned, we have a semblance of balance in the narrative - armies of the Efreeti, Devils, Demons, Daemons, etc. are vastly outnumbering us thanks to their off-plane nature, technically/literally infinitely more than what we have in some cases, and we aren't facing them in the "10 Balors spawns, you die"-numbers, because... reasons. Vague narrative reasons.

Trying to play the "I make infinite OP units! Now this other side that has infinite less-OP units can't do anything to me!"-game would kill the thread.
Plain and simple, there's no balancing this sort of stuff and DP would be obligated to drown us and do a party Empire wipe if the thread tried.
 
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Not more than anything else we make.

I mean, let's talk about a CR 15 Mature Adult Hexdragon. the highest CR our Forge could support. And also something we would produce in very limited quantity, similar to other Adult dragons we made so far.
It has CL 11 as a Sorcerer, so it's limited to level 5 spells and for a Dragon it's physically pretty weak, Amrelath could propably kill 2 of them.

At a glance it would be overall far weaker than for example a Greater BLoodclot Mold on a Black Champion (Weaker magic than the former, including lower Charisma, and weaker body than the latter) and without the many inherent immunities of either.

It's fully within the given limit of 5th level magic at most.

It has advantages, being a good flyer, having reasonably strong magic in a draconic body and all that, but compared to our other creations it would not be overpowered at all, unless we wait for a few centuries to mature into Wyrm ages, but that's true for all True Dragons and outside the scope of this quest.
I'm still not terribly fond of the idea of making a dragon breed with the sole theme of "powerful caster". It's just... pure powergaming. Or at least that's how this idea feels to me.

I mean, I've had my own ideas for additional dragons and pretty much given up on them since a lot of people didn't want to make any additional breeds at all.
 
Do you guys think we can use Harvest Knowledge on booked creatures? It says you can tap into things that are contained inside magic items, but the spell we use for that effect puts things in timeless stasis so I'm not clear on how they'd interact.

HK is pretty useful since it lets you take knowledge checks using the target creature's skills as well as sorting through memory, so being able to use it would enhance our ability to use the lore of our captured creatures.
 
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