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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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@egoo, combine the two topic. Let's also talk with Zathir about the crown.

The biggest obstacle of the thing is that it binds in reverse and that it's a piece of Fey bullshit given physical substance. But if we could tear out the relevant abilities and connect them to our road network...
 
[X] Azel
Sorry, but my internet is rel shit rite now.
@Azel, i wholeheartedly support the notion, but really can't write it out rn.
Sorry @silvanknight
 
[X] Plan Snek Chat
-[X] Return it to the the depths of your cloak inside of the God Box.
--[X] You will only examine it again once you have devised containment procedures on the level a God would at least struggle against, and loudly, for a short time
-[X] Talk with Zathir and Yss about the crown and what their opinion on the matter is.
--[X] You are very much interested in the abilities it confers, such as full control over your realm, but you would have to copy or extract the relevant power, as the artifact itself is too dangerous.
-[X] Also show them Anu-SImung's corpse and Hammer. Ask whether hammer could be restored to the power of creation, assuming using the body as a sacrifice pool of energy for that.
--[X] If the answer is negative, inquire about recovering the lore of creation and crafting once known by Anu, again using the body.
---[X] If Zathir cannot guarantee better chance of recovering lore than other Gods, sacrifice the body to the Storm God in his holy Sept.
----[X] Have Ceria, Waymar and Stannis present.
 
@Azel, for the hammer, can you specify we're using Zathir's favor for fueling the process while using the memory of creation from the divine essence as a template? It's going to have a lot more juice than exclusively using the corpse as the power source.

[X] Azel
 
DragonParadox said:
"I think so, I think it welcomes my studies because I'm reminding it of its own powers. I'm not sure if it is worth studying further or if we should put it away until we have the palace vaults ready."
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Sneaky pile of tin.

Still all things said and done I can see why the Fey want this back, it gives some serious upgrades for, well for them at least, a paltry price. And this is just the stuff we know of so far.

That being said any item linked to a kingdom and happens to be sentient tends to be, for lack of a better term, inflexible when it comes to other empires. As we can see when it plotted its escape.

I say we give this thing the One Ring treatment for right now. I don't know why but it's creeping me out and I don't like the idea of it unlocking any other tricks until we can be sure we've locked down every possibility of escape.

Still the idea of this thing thinking does have some merit, what thinks can be conversed with and possibly even negotiated with. Worse comes to worse we can at least hear its screams when we feed it to a god.

Wins all around really.
 
DragonParadox said:
It's worth remembering that there is a catch, 'as the land suffers so does the king' and the reverse too, Fisher King effect.
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Would it be possible to use the Imperial Deity as an intermediary, as we intended to channel most of the infrastructure controls through it? And if possible even obviate the Fisher King link by spending more power for similar reality altering effects? It's apparent that our intended path is basically to build a bunch of infrastructure, give it the necessary abilities to manage both the Divine Realm it's associated with and all of the physical infrastructure in the network, and power it using sacrifices, to a lesser extent prayer, and maybe spell power. Energy Transformation effects that can use our Mythic Power in exchange would be baller.
 
Even assuming the power could be safely extracted from the crown, I would be wary of trying to take that for ourselves. On the other hand, it seems like it could serve as a very nice seed for the Imperial Deity, especially since it might have some rudimentary guiding intelligence which can possibly be subverted or wiped clean, and seems to have an actual propensity for growth, literally (physically, metaphysically, and horticulturally). It might also be something we can plug into the divine realm we just salvaged in Kasath.

[X] Azel
 
The thing is, with all the stuff we got lately, we are actually really close to have everything to make the pseudo-deity.

1. We need to finish the dreamshaping necessary to reinforce the roads imprint on the dreamscape and to conceptionally tie everything together. We can add mirrors, braziers and other things to the connection later.
2. We need the Imperial Steel as the metaphysical anchor in the real-world to anchor the deity.
3. We need a big pool to gather energy in, deep down under the Imperial Palace where we can dig the necessary metaphysical channels to gather energy. We can use the demiplane for that.
4. We need some initial juice to start everything. I was thinking about using the pilfered power from Tiamat we have still in storage, but the crown seems to be a good fit too.

That's not all that tall an order anymore. Looting metaphysical parts of the divine is rather useful to speed this up.
 
Azel said:
The thing is, with all the stuff we got lately, we are actually really close to have everything to make the pseudo-deity.

1. We need to finish the dreamshaping necessary to reinforce the roads imprint on the dreamscape and to conceptionally tie everything together. We can add mirrors, braziers and other things to the connection later.
2. We need the Imperial Steel as the metaphysical anchor in the real-world to anchor the deity.
3. We need a big pool to gather energy in, deep down under the Imperial Palace where we can dig the necessary metaphysical channels to gather energy. We can use the demiplane for that.
4. We need some initial juice to start everything. I was thinking about using the pilfered power from Tiamat we have still in storage, but the crown seems to be a good fit too.

That's not all that tall an order anymore. Looting metaphysical parts of the divine is rather useful to speed this up.
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In addition, there's a good chance we can jumpstart out own Outsider-forging by:
1) Getting the lore-copy of the clockwork-familiar from the past month
2) Managing to reforge/restore Anu's hammer to [Craft/Creation]-alignment.
3) Visiting that broken/buried God's Forge Hadhayosh mentioned on PoF.

There's also the Axiomatic forge-thing in one of the Marid cities on PoW, too...
We're not getting too deep into that shit, however, for now.
Who stole whom, who killed who, with whom to align ourselves while keeping squid/efreeti-alliance in mind...
No time for that from people with real firepower in our realm for the foreseeable future :/
 
egoo said:
In addition, there's a good chance we can jumpstart out own Outsider-forging by:
1) Getting the lore-copy of the clockwork-familiar from the past month
2) Managing to reforge/restore Anu's hammer to [Craft/Creation]-alignment.
3) Visiting that broken/buried God's Forge Hadhayosh mentioned on PoF.

There's also the Axiomatic forge-thing in one of the Marid cities on PoW, too...
We're not getting too deep into that shit, however, for now.
Who stole whom, who killed who, with whom to align ourselves while keeping squid/efreeti-alliance in mind...
No time for that from people with real firepower in our realm for the foreseeable future :/
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Pseudo-deity first, outsiders second.

You need souls to make outsiders, and since people didn't want the relevant Cacodaemon lore, we need a different capture apparatus.
 
Azel said:
Pseudo-deity first, outsiders second.

You need souls to make outsiders, and since people didn't want the relevant Cacodaemon lore, we need a different capture apparatus.
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There's potential for an alternate route if we follow through with "Fire Outsider creation"-line of RAs, and grab lores for Earth/Air variants too.
They don't seem to need souls to make.

One can assume that by grabbing all "central" versions and researching into those, a method for something in-between would be easy enough to craft for someone like Lya too.

Would take a whole lot longer to achieve unless we really luck out and manage to get another variant of "R'hlor's Fire forging"-sort of lore-repository though :/
 
Azel said:
The thing is, with all the stuff we got lately, we are actually really close to have everything to make the pseudo-deity.

1. We need to finish the dreamshaping necessary to reinforce the roads imprint on the dreamscape and to conceptionally tie everything together. We can add mirrors, braziers and other things to the connection later.
2. We need the Imperial Steel as the metaphysical anchor in the real-world to anchor the deity.
3. We need a big pool to gather energy in, deep down under the Imperial Palace where we can dig the necessary metaphysical channels to gather energy. We can use the demiplane for that.
4. We need some initial juice to start everything. I was thinking about using the pilfered power from Tiamat we have still in storage, but the crown seems to be a good fit too.

That's not all that tall an order anymore. Looting metaphysical parts of the divine is rather useful to speed this up.
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Regarding divine juice, we could use Tiamat and the crown in tandem. Tiamat for the power, the crown for the specific abilities we want harness for Viserys through the Imperium Deity.
Azel said:
Pseudo-deity first, outsiders second.

You need souls to make outsiders, and since people didn't want the relevant Cacodaemon lore, we need a different capture apparatus.
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With the Cacodaemon lore we could potentially approach the Xerfilstyx through another false identity, though it'd no doubt take a few months to establish credentials.

As for forging souls and Outsiders we've made baby steps. R'hllor taught us how to make Fire Elementals and the Merling King taught us how to make Water Elementals.

The Flesh Forge doesn't really make new souls so much as it borrows old ones from the Green Dream as volunteers... but the Warforged souls are grown from purified Living Brass.

That said, you're right, this isn't quite what we need to make a True Outsider. There's still some legwork to be done before we get that far.
 
Elementals are quite a different thing then angels and devils.

For outsiders in the sense of divine servants we will need souls to remold and empower. If you could make true outsiders out of nothing except elemental energy, Asmodeus would have a few armies worth of fire-devils.
 
Azel said:
Elementals are quite a different thing then angels and devils.

For outsiders in the sense of divine servants we will need souls to remold and empower. If you could make true outsiders out of nothing except elemental energy, Asmodeus would have a few armies worth of fire-devils.
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Never mind then, hopefully we can get our hands on that Cacodaemon lore.
 
Tomcost said:
We will get souls via our deity, we don't need tha Cacodarmon lore, right?
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The cacodaemon lore was for soul crystalization, which would make nearly everything we're trying to achieve with the imperial afterlife and turning citizens into Imperial Outsiders upon death easier.

Soul acquisition is easy enough, but figuring out what to do with it is harder.
 
Duesal said:
The cacodaemon lore was for soul crystalization, which would make nearly everything we're trying to achieve with the imperial afterlife and turning citizens into Imperial Outsiders upon death easier.

Soul acquisition is easy enough, but figuring out what to do with it is harder.
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Acquisition isn't easy, which is why the lore would have been so useful.
 
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