The more military clans are the Jia, Wang, and Luo. The Wang and Jia are neutral regarding the cultural appeal approach while the Luo are in favor of it.
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The more military clans are the Jia, Wang, and Luo. The Wang and Jia are neutral regarding the cultural appeal approach while the Luo are in favor of it.
[X] To appeal to culture. She spoke a variant of the hill tribe tongue, and bore other markers of civilization. Better to bring into the fold as the Weilu and the Xi once did. (+Meng, +Luo approval, -Diao approval)
[X] To appeal to military pragmatism. If their enemies were divided there was no need to unite them. (+Wang, +Jia approval, -Meng approval)
[X] To appeal to military pragmatism. If their enemies were divided there was no need to unite them. (+Wang, +Jia approval, -Meng approval)
I don't believe any option available to us will qualify as an honest and forthright approach to the White Sky.
Which is gonna be a bit of a mess if Ling Qi is asked to take part in implementing whatever plan she advocates for here.
Ling Qi isn't likely to be able to move most anyone here, being Green and all, but if the court is deadlocked anyway I can entirely see her getting tossed resources and a job - "you had an idea, go prove it was a good one." So we should pick an approach that we're willing to at least resemble if we're told to carry it out.
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[X] To appeal to military pragmatism. If their enemies were divided there was no need to unite them. (+Wang, +Jia approval, -Meng approval)
Not a meng fan, and it feels like a generally sensible argument. I like Culture, but I'm not sure it's a reasonable argument to make in the aftermath of getting a drubbing.
Not a meng fan, and it feels like a generally sensible argument. I like Culture, but I'm not sure it's a reasonable argument to make in the aftermath of getting a drubbing.
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[X] To appeal to culture. She spoke a variant of the hill tribe tongue, and bore other markers of civilization. Better to bring into the fold as the Weilu and the Xi once did. (+Meng, +Luo approval, -Diao approval)
I was convinced by the suggestion that the high level cultivators would effectively decide matters by themselves, and that what's important to vote on is how Ling Qi is seen by the court. Thus, Culture. Plus, like, I don't think Ling Qi is even any good at warmaking and planning stuff?
I was convinced by the suggestion that the high level cultivators would effectively decide matters by themselves, and that what's important to vote on is how Ling Qi is seen by the court. Thus, Culture. Plus, like, I don't think Ling Qi is even any good at warmaking and planning stuff?
[X] To appeal to profit. If there is another force out there civilizing the southernmost tribes, perhaps there is gain to be had? (+Bao, +Diao approval, -Wang approval)
Money, money, money.... money.
Money, money, money.... money.
[X] To appeal to culture. She spoke a variant of the hill tribe tongue, and bore other markers of civilization. Better to bring into the fold as the Weilu and the Xi once did. (+Meng, +Luo approval, -Diao approval)
We are explicitly CRX's diplomat to Meng and Luo, and we do not need to concern ourselves with Diao much, we do not have any relations with them now and probably won't have in the future except for really formal stuff as a personal retainer of CRX. Culture option too was preapproved by CRX, she can handle them herself, and if we would ever need to seriously treat with Diao, we can have her backing as our liege.
We are explicitly CRX's diplomat to Meng and Luo, and we do not need to concern ourselves with Diao much, we do not have any relations with them now and probably won't have in the future except for really formal stuff as a personal retainer of CRX. Culture option too was preapproved by CRX, she can handle them herself, and if we would ever need to seriously treat with Diao, we can have her backing as our liege.
[X] To appeal to profit. If there is another force out there civilizing the southernmost tribes, perhaps there is gain to be had? (+Bao, +Diao approval, -Wang approval)
All three options obviously have the end goal of making the tribe at least neutral just they each seem to come with different side benefits.
Military's side benefit would be that it is the most convincing argument being the most realistic and actually achievable.
Cultural would be the least achievable, as it would be more of an alliance with the long term goal of bringing them into the empire. Honestly, considering we don't know diddly about them and the more long term nature, it's a weak limb to stand on.
The last option is comes with an added trade deal. They are almost guaranteed to have stuff to trade for (look at her weapon or Zeqings fruit) but we still don't know anything about the tribe itself. This has the added bonus of trade being an inherently good thing for both parties thus more likely to succeed which makes this last option a middle of the road in competence and gain.
Overall what is really valuable is information. I don't think the Military option would involve much trade of information so I can't vote for it even if it's the most competent choice. I am okay with the trade argument as it's actually reasonable and lays the foundation for a future relationship. The only reason I can vote for culture is that I assume it wouldn't be shooting for immediate integration but more incremental steps towards allies otherwise it's just unreasonable and unfeasabile. Although culture is the only option that might proc LQ's sincerity bonus.
Then there are the opinion bonuses and negatives which I honestly don't care about. Definitely a more interesting vote this time yrsillar although I am a little disappointed on the slight change of words regarding Shen's death. Caring only slightly for someone that we barely know is only reasonable in ancient China. If you add death world ontop of that plus war, if LQ was a typical bleeding heart she would not only be bland but bleed out. I rather like LQ's current personality, with her taunt to Chu Song back at the tournament and caring more for her close family and friends. Her circle may get bigger but caring deeply for each of her peers lies madness.
All three options obviously have the end goal of making the tribe at least neutral just they each seem to come with different side benefits.
Military's side benefit would be that it is the most convincing argument being the most realistic and actually achievable.
Cultural would be the least achievable, as it would be more of an alliance with the long term goal of bringing them into the empire. Honestly, considering we don't know diddly about them and the more long term nature, it's a weak limb to stand on.
The last option is comes with an added trade deal. They are almost guaranteed to have stuff to trade for (look at her weapon or Zeqings fruit) but we still don't know anything about the tribe itself. This has the added bonus of trade being an inherently good thing for both parties thus more likely to succeed which makes this last option a middle of the road in competence and gain.
Overall what is really valuable is information. I don't think the Military option would involve much trade of information so I can't vote for it even if it's the most competent choice. I am okay with the trade argument as it's actually reasonable and lays the foundation for a future relationship. The only reason I can vote for culture is that I assume it wouldn't be shooting for immediate integration but more incremental steps towards allies otherwise it's just unreasonable and unfeasabile. Although culture is the only option that might proc LQ's sincerity bonus.
Then there are the opinion bonuses and negatives which I honestly don't care about. Definitely a more interesting vote this time yrsillar although I am a little disappointed on the slight change of words regarding Shen's death. Caring only slightly for someone that we barely know is only reasonable in ancient China. If you add death world ontop of that plus war, if LQ was a typical bleeding heart she would not only be bland but bleed out. I rather like LQ's current personality, with her taunt to Chu Song back at the tournament and caring more for her close family and friends. Her circle may get bigger but caring deeply for each of her peers lies madness.
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[X] To appeal to culture. She spoke a variant of the hill tribe tongue, and bore other markers of civilization. Better to bring into the fold as the Weilu and the Xi once did. (+Meng, +Luo approval, -Diao approval)
[x] To appeal to military pragmatism. If their enemies were divided there was no need to unite them. (+Wang, +Jia approval, -Meng approval)
al103
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Which brings interesting thing in equation:Also, for those who don't remember it, here is the political map of the Emeral Sea:
1. Culture is what satisfies ALL four border clans.
2. Wealth is what preferable to core clans that don't risk much in the war as they have ablative border clans between them and barbarians.
[X] To appeal to culture. She spoke a variant of the hill tribe tongue, and bore other markers of civilization. Better to bring into the fold as the Weilu and the Xi once did. (+Meng, +Luo approval, -Diao approval)
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[X] To appeal to military pragmatism. If their enemies were divided there was no need to unite them. (+Wang, +Jia approval, -Meng approval)
This remains my preferred option. I enjoy arguments based on pragmatism.
This remains my preferred option. I enjoy arguments based on pragmatism.
al103
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We picked fight with her the moment we chose heir she don't approve of as our liege.
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[X] To appeal to culture. She spoke a variant of the hill tribe tongue, and bore other markers of civilization. Better to bring into the fold as the Weilu and the Xi once did. (+Meng, +Luo approval, -Diao approval)
I'm not sure I agree with the sentiment that because she doesn't like Renxiang we're doomed to have bad relations with her or should accept that poor relations with Renxiang is eternal.
Did anybody mention that perhaps someone representing the Empress is here? And he might be related to the Shield guy from Forge.
Also, where exactly was it mentioned that Minister Linqin disliked CRX and us?
[X] To appeal to culture. She spoke a variant of the hill tribe tongue, and bore other markers of civilization. Better to bring into the fold as the Weilu and the Xi once did. (+Meng, +Luo approval, -Diao approval)
[X] To appeal to profit. If there is another force out there civilizing the southernmost tribes, perhaps there is gain to be had? (+Bao, +Diao approval, -Wang approval)
[X] To appeal to profit. If there is another force out there civilizing the southernmost tribes, perhaps there is gain to be had? (+Bao, +Diao approval, -Wang approval)
Here in the first quest. I don't think the RR version has quite got there yet.
It is likely Diao Lingqin's antipathy towards Renxiang lies in her mere existence as something she could not give Shenhua as her closest companion and lover. Renxiang's father is a Diao but is more or less a sperm donor and kept hidden away until Shenhua needs to pop out another baby. His name hasn't even been given yet. It must understandably burn to see a walking manifestation of the separation both culturally and genealogically between Lingqin and Shenhua. None of which is CRX's fault but when have people ever been fair.
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All three options have areas where they're suboptimal or should give us pause, which is a good thing. I do, however, support...
[X] To appeal to culture. She spoke a variant of the hill tribe tongue, and bore other markers of civilization. Better to bring into the fold as the Weilu and the Xi once did. (+Meng, +Luo approval, -Diao approval)
I wanna steal and sample people's unknown-to-us cultures, and this sentiment is as close to on track to that as there is. Presenting ourselves as the weird culture/alien/spirit focused gal suits me fine.
There's also a fun opportunity with the "other markers of civilization" bit, considering one of the things Ling Qi noticed was how the ice lady's clothing was more tailored, closer to imperial standards. And we are standing (remotely) in Cai Shenhua's court right now.... It seems like a fun opportunity.
Another thing I'd like to see, when/if we get pushback is for Ling Qi to call back to her lack of resolve in the bloody moon dream to keep pushing forwards, ideally with a bit on Shen Hu thrown in as one last goodbye to him in the narrative.
Ooh, and another other thing I'd like to see is a Liu rep poo-pooing us, but they definitely don't have the clout for that. Shame. Get gudder, you guys.
[X] To appeal to culture. She spoke a variant of the hill tribe tongue, and bore other markers of civilization. Better to bring into the fold as the Weilu and the Xi once did. (+Meng, +Luo approval, -Diao approval)
I wanna steal and sample people's unknown-to-us cultures, and this sentiment is as close to on track to that as there is. Presenting ourselves as the weird culture/alien/spirit focused gal suits me fine.
There's also a fun opportunity with the "other markers of civilization" bit, considering one of the things Ling Qi noticed was how the ice lady's clothing was more tailored, closer to imperial standards. And we are standing (remotely) in Cai Shenhua's court right now.... It seems like a fun opportunity.
Another thing I'd like to see, when/if we get pushback is for Ling Qi to call back to her lack of resolve in the bloody moon dream to keep pushing forwards, ideally with a bit on Shen Hu thrown in as one last goodbye to him in the narrative.
Ooh, and another other thing I'd like to see is a Liu rep poo-pooing us, but they definitely don't have the clout for that. Shame. Get gudder, you guys.
[X] To appeal to culture. She spoke a variant of the hill tribe tongue, and bore other markers of civilization. Better to bring into the fold as the Weilu and the Xi once did. (+Meng, +Luo approval, -Diao approval)
I've been thinking what I'd want Ling Qi doing in the case she has to go make contact with White Sky and the ice witches, and honestly what I want to see the most is trading stories.
Culture seems the most likely pick to see that happen.
I've been thinking what I'd want Ling Qi doing in the case she has to go make contact with White Sky and the ice witches, and honestly what I want to see the most is trading stories.
Culture seems the most likely pick to see that happen.