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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Azel said:
It's definitely a statement he would wholly endorse.

The thing with Necromancy is that it's pretty easy and cheap. A 5th level caster can raise a dead peasant as a zombie for 5 IM. If you have a nearby graveyard, you can make dozens of undead for the price of a PfE amulet. My headcanon has always been that the ease, cheapness and thus easily obtained power is attracting a certain kind of individual. Mentally troubled, socially isolated, maladapted to society, and with a chip on their shoulder.

In the real world, these people would get high on conspiracy theories and start posing with their guns in anticipation of the Holy Race War. In D&D, they start raising peasants and start their own war.
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So basically necromancy is what the gun is in US. On its own its not evil and in right and responsible hands could have legitimately good uses, however its so easy to get, learn how to use, and literally anyone can get their hands on it that its used by enough bad people to do terrible things there is heavy stigma against it.

Explains why you are seeing more and more examples of necromancy itself not being evil in fiction, just the assholes using it. Necromancy being the study of life and death, the zombies raising only being a small fraction of the uses it can be put towards.
 
Crake said:
@Goldfish if the Hammer languishes in the armory for too long, Ceria might later shape up to be a good wielder for it. Aside from the fact she's one of the few PCs we have who uses warhammers, at least she's on theme. :V

Edit: There's also the possibility for creating our own crafting hammer artifact, though I'm not sure what kind of effects that would have for stuff we make with it. Make Constructs even cheaper then they already are?
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The Hammer is large-sized, not usable for Ceria.
 
[X] Goldfish

At this stage, since Qyburn no longer needs to harvest corpses and can grow specifically-designed bodies with Gorgossos, his creations are more like 100% synthetic flesh golems rather than undeads.
 
For the armor, have you considered giving it Rina?

I mean, assuming it does fit a medium-sized person. I know magic weapons do not automatically change size, but do armors?

Because complete immunity to fire would be very useful for her and she has Cleric-like saves, so the secondary ability to perfectly save against anything fire-related will come in handy.
Particularly as the Brazen Throne does not hesitate to throw around searing or otherwise immunity-breaking fire.
 
Artemis1992 said:
For the armor, have you considered giving it Rina?

I mean, assuming it does fit a medium-sized person. I know magic weapons do not automatically change size, but do armors?

Because complete immunity to fire would be very useful for her and she has Cleric-like saves, so the secondary ability to perfectly save against anything fire-related will come in handy.
Particularly as the Brazen Throne does not hesitate to throw around searing or otherwise immunity-breaking fire.
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Now that's brilliant. It should definitely go to Rina.
 
If it doesn't change size it would have to go to some secondary character, a Minotaur or Stone Giant, and that would just be a waste.

Alternativly sacrifice it, or sell it to the Shaitan, because they like heavy armor and might try to copy the enchantment for their war on Fire.
 
Artemis1992 said:
If it doesn't change size it would have to go to some secondary character, a Minotaur or Stone Giant, and that would just be a waste.

Alternativly sacrifice it, or sell it to the Shaitan, because they like heavy armor and might try to copy the enchantment for their war on Fire.
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It's armor, and all enchanted armor has been ruled to change size to fit the wearer, so I don't see it being a problem.
 
2nd month on-screen MAs and points of interest:

[] Checking in on Meraxes and the progress of creation of the "Imperial Steel".
[] Grabbing notes on Lannisters/CItadel/Various threats off Marwyn
[] Getting the Wildunt's mercenary Fey sorted in (get DP's statement that they are now available for assignments)
[] Getting Marwyn's party sorted in (levels, gear, statwment on availability for assignments, etc.)
[] Getting the copy of the clockwork familiar traded for in Hellven the 1st month.
[] Sacrificing the body of the Anu-Simung to the Storm God (get all recoverable lore from the body as a payment, and other nice boons if that doesn't take up all of the sacrifice's power)
[RNG: 7+ days after the 24th of 2nd month] Summoning the Void-aligned Daemon encountered in Sarnor
[RNG] Continuing to be on the lookout for the Chosen of Stranger via the dead-drops they were leaving for the Chosen of Smith.

Am I missing anything here so far?
We're gonna have a veritable avalanche of reports and interludes after Sarnor is done, maybe several weeks/month of naught but them really, but forgetting this stuff would be the worst sort of snowballing for the month's end.
 
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Azel said:
Get a report on the assassination of Brynden Tully that happened last month.
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Not this month?
Could have sworn that was supposed to happen in the 2nd month, so somewhere over the last three weeks.

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[] Get the Wildunt's mercenary Fey sorted in (get statement that they are now available for assignments)
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They are supposed to get available next month, after successful delivery of the promised fleshforged creatures in this month.
 
Nearly forgot to respond to this:
Massgamer said:
So basically necromancy is what the gun is in US. On its own its not evil and in right and responsible hands could have legitimately good uses, however its so easy to get, learn how to use, and literally anyone can get their hands on it that its used by enough bad people to do terrible things there is heavy stigma against it.

Explains why you are seeing more and more examples of necromancy itself not being evil in fiction, just the assholes using it. Necromancy being the study of life and death, the zombies raising only being a small fraction of the uses it can be put towards.
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Yeah, that's basically the idea.

In this analogy, Qyburn would be a enthusiastic gun-smith who builds his own assault rifles and wants to make a perfect .50-cal rifle that outperforms everything else there is on the market. Due to his work and enthusiasm, he keeps getting lumped in with the gun nuts, which vexes him greatly.
Artemis1992 said:
Not this month?
Could have sworn that was supposed to happen in the 2nd month, so somewhere over the last three weeks.
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No, that was definitely in the 1st month. I had started writing omakes about it, which was before my break and I wasn't present for the last turn-vote.
 
Azel said:
Get a report on the assassination of Brynden Tully that happened last month.
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Artemis1992 said:
They are supposed to get available next month, after successful delivery of the promised fleshforged creatures in this month.
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Eh, I largely prefer throwing it all in this month for "less book-keeping"-sake.
Assigning them somewhere with the turnvote is more sensible than spending an update voting them over somewhere after it.
 
Azel said:
In this analogy, Qyburn would be a enthusiastic gun-smith who builds his own assault rifles and wants to make a perfect .50-cal rifle that outperforms everything else there is on the market. Due to his work and enthusiasm, he keeps getting lumped in with the gun nuts, which vexes him greatly.
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So Sarnor is the ultimate proof that sometimes guns do kill people, without the need for other people to wield them. :D
 
Azel said:
The analogy kinda breaks down at that point, unless you would like to compare Sarnor to a Roomba with a gun strapped to it.
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More like Skynet awakening and taking control of all nearby roombas, strapping guns or knives onto them as available.
Edit: And similarly to all the auto-lawnmowers, smart fridges and similar devices.

In that analogy Skynet would be the collective group of kings, mages, nobles and even a god that woke up and decided total vengance against the living was the best course of action.
 
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Artemis1992 said:
More like Skynet awakening and taking control of all nearby roombas, strapping guns or knives onto them as available.
Edit: And similarly to all the auto-lawnmowers, smart fridges and similar devices.

In that analogy Skynet would be the collective group of kings, mages, nobles and even a god that woke up and decided total vengance against the living was the best course of action.
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I think this is getting away from things and the analogy is being kept alive by unnatural means.
 
Very minor thing, but do we allow animal-fighting in our Empire?
I was just reminded of Vee's past as Bear-Bait and I think she would take issue with that.

I know we use summons and volunteers in our own arena, but I have no idea if we gave directives to Braavos and such.
 
There's no explicit ruling / legislature on the matter, though I'd assume we have some general purpose laws against animal cruelty.

With Speak with Animals and similar effects, an animal can give consent to fight in the arenas, so outlawing it directly would make no sense.
 
Artemis1992 said:
For the armor, have you considered giving it Rina?

I mean, assuming it does fit a medium-sized person. I know magic weapons do not automatically change size, but do armors?

Because complete immunity to fire would be very useful for her and she has Cleric-like saves, so the secondary ability to perfectly save against anything fire-related will come in handy.
Particularly as the Brazen Throne does not hesitate to throw around searing or otherwise immunity-breaking fire.
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That is a good idea. We would need to make her a Blue Ice staff or rod to carry in lieu of her Blue Ice Fullplate to allow for maximum use of her Cold-related feats, but that's hardly an issue.
Azel said:
In this analogy, Qyburn would be a enthusiastic gun-smith who builds his own assault rifles and wants to make a perfect .50-cal rifle that outperforms everything else there is on the market. Due to his work and enthusiasm, he keeps getting lumped in with the gun nuts, which vexes him greatly.
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He might even end up being the founder of the Planetosi branch of the NRA, the Necromancer Rights Association.
 
Goldfish said:
That is a good idea. We would need to make her a Blue Ice staff or rod to carry in lieu of her Blue Ice Fullplate to allow for maximum use of her Cold-related feats, but that's hardly an issue.
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As a note, Starmetal is equal to Adamant, so it should give DR 3/-.
I ignored that for the Charnel God, because his natural DR was much higher anyway, but for her it's relevant.
 
Vote closed.
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Aug 10, 2020 at 7:53 AM, finished with 63 posts and 11 votes.
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@Goldfish
Easiest suggestions for levels.

Liomond gets literally nothing new, not even a single maneuver

[] Liomond Lashare
-[] +1 Warblade
-[] +1 Balance, Concentration, Diplomacy, Knowledges (engineering, history, war), +2 Intimidate

Zherys only gets 2 new spells, one at 8 one at 7 and the last bit of his class

[] Zherys
-[] +1 Incantifier
-[] Spell Leech 2
-[] +1 Concentration, Diplomacy, Knowledge (Arcana), Spellcraft, Sense Motive (CC), Bluff (CC)

Who had an idea for Yrael again, was that Talon?
 
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