Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)
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Not sure what you mean about us blocking Rebirth Inferno, I wasn't talking about that.
Zhengui is in the position with that technique of needing to take near-lethal but not actually lethal damage, and the Thousand Year Mist helps him have a wider margin on that sort of thing by basically taking the top cap off until you start getting into Cyan shenanigans.
As for their health, you got me there, but to be clear I'm turned off from Mist because of the sort of loose fusion of Ling Qi and CRX's themeing which I don't want to do, the eh feeling I get looking at the debuff, and that between the two I'd like to develop an art off of Thousand Year Impenetrable Mist more.
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[] Enlightenment's Unbreaking Mirror: B
Voting for this for now. This seems to be better for most of the combat situations Ling Qi has historically been involved in. An argument could be made that we're likely to get involved in more large scale battles with relatively weak allies in the future, but I don't think that's likely to ever be the most common battle scenario for Ling Qi. Even in the current scenario, the first half of the battle involved Ling Qi stealthing in solo and drawing focus fire onto herself, which EUM works with better.
I can see why people prefer TYIM over EUM narratively or thematically. I agree with those concerns to a point, but there are good arguments for choosing EUM here as well, as @Karugus has pointed out.
Edit: Changed my vote due to arguments later in the thread.
[X] Thousand Year Impenetrable Mist: B
Voting for this for now. This seems to be better for most of the combat situations Ling Qi has historically been involved in. An argument could be made that we're likely to get involved in more large scale battles with relatively weak allies in the future, but I don't think that's likely to ever be the most common battle scenario for Ling Qi. Even in the current scenario, the first half of the battle involved Ling Qi stealthing in solo and drawing focus fire onto herself, which EUM works with better.
I can see why people prefer TYIM over EUM narratively or thematically. I agree with those concerns to a point, but there are good arguments for choosing EUM here as well, as @Karugus has pointed out.
Edit: Changed my vote due to arguments later in the thread.
[X] Thousand Year Impenetrable Mist: B
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That is not actually how that works. First of all, damage rank and technique rank are not the same.
Second, USR absorbs a single technique. it is not a buff that absorbs all such techniques. (The duration, IIRC, is there so we can, say, absorb part of an enemy death field for a time.)
Third, USR is an all or nothing effect - it won't halve a B rank effect.
Fourth, the damage reduction on mist (and mirror) comes after everything else, including things like armor and glancing hits. In practice, that's going to be negating B+ initial damage most of the time, at least for ourself.
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Tbf, Bardbarian so far appears to be his meal ticket. Without him the other tribes dont seem to interested to listening to "underworld demons" words.
And, while its a big chunk of star stone, the Shishigui implied its not really their only piece.
[X] Thousand Year Impenetrable Mist: B
I am doing this for our eventual mushroom farm
I am doing this for our eventual mushroom farm
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We don't actually know its her, just saying. She was never referred to by name and fans are a weapon that other people have had before.[X] Thousand Year Impenetrable Mist: B
I would rather like to save fan girl who's friends with mouse girl, they've been compared to be similar to what Xulian and Li Suyin could've been
Alectai
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[X] Enlightenment's Unbreaking Mirror: B
When you get right down to it?
Narratively, Thousand Year Impenetrable Mist does nothing that we can't already do with our own Arts. It's ideal for protecting the weak against grossly overwhelming power, but does little for those who are already strong, or against those who we can guard against with other techniques. It's basically just one more "Group Soak" effect that Ling Qi can throw out on a whim. More importantly, it does nothing to actually remove the targets from the dangerous position, because the enemy is still capable of attacking again if need be. The range is limited by [The Mist] and its borders, and the circumstances in which we can't employ EUM but could deploy TYIM requires some extremely torturous logic or the employment of enemy hyper elites to stomp on us in particular (And that problem would not be solved by making them have to double tap us instead of just dunk on us in the first shot.)
EUM meanwhile? It gives us a table-turner. Ling Qi draws an incredible amount of aggression on her simply by what she represents--a field of overlapping field effects that promises victory for her side as long as she's able to remain present. We've seen in virtually every major fight that she draws a stupid amount of fire, with Zhengui taking second place by dint of the Distraction Carnifex element of being a giant snake-tortoise. At any point during this, she can activate EUM and drag everyone down into a confused mess as their malice is turned back on them and their senses severed with the blade of night. During this window? She can reposition her friends, her allies, or launch attacks against reduced defenses because they can barely detect what the fuck is going on. It has presence in a fight--and more importantly, the secondary effect is generally better for the small, elite groups that Ling Qi tends to be deployed along with. The math clearly establishing that EUM is generally superior for Third Realms who didn't completely dumpstat their conditioning and all, even if it lacks the damage floor that guarantees people survive the initial hit.
In the end though, what it boils down to is that I want our Domain Techniques to be special, to do things we can't necessarily get on our own. TYIM is good--and when it's at it's best--you really want to have it. But it occupies the same narrative space that moves like Black Mirror does--a group defense that turns a big attack into something that hurts nobody. Doubling down on this can have a valuable impact, but in the end it would feel like something we almost never get to see because our own arts are generally superior.
What we lack is a real table turner if we're pressed--and EUM fits that to a T.
When you get right down to it?
Narratively, Thousand Year Impenetrable Mist does nothing that we can't already do with our own Arts. It's ideal for protecting the weak against grossly overwhelming power, but does little for those who are already strong, or against those who we can guard against with other techniques. It's basically just one more "Group Soak" effect that Ling Qi can throw out on a whim. More importantly, it does nothing to actually remove the targets from the dangerous position, because the enemy is still capable of attacking again if need be. The range is limited by [The Mist] and its borders, and the circumstances in which we can't employ EUM but could deploy TYIM requires some extremely torturous logic or the employment of enemy hyper elites to stomp on us in particular (And that problem would not be solved by making them have to double tap us instead of just dunk on us in the first shot.)
EUM meanwhile? It gives us a table-turner. Ling Qi draws an incredible amount of aggression on her simply by what she represents--a field of overlapping field effects that promises victory for her side as long as she's able to remain present. We've seen in virtually every major fight that she draws a stupid amount of fire, with Zhengui taking second place by dint of the Distraction Carnifex element of being a giant snake-tortoise. At any point during this, she can activate EUM and drag everyone down into a confused mess as their malice is turned back on them and their senses severed with the blade of night. During this window? She can reposition her friends, her allies, or launch attacks against reduced defenses because they can barely detect what the fuck is going on. It has presence in a fight--and more importantly, the secondary effect is generally better for the small, elite groups that Ling Qi tends to be deployed along with. The math clearly establishing that EUM is generally superior for Third Realms who didn't completely dumpstat their conditioning and all, even if it lacks the damage floor that guarantees people survive the initial hit.
In the end though, what it boils down to is that I want our Domain Techniques to be special, to do things we can't necessarily get on our own. TYIM is good--and when it's at it's best--you really want to have it. But it occupies the same narrative space that moves like Black Mirror does--a group defense that turns a big attack into something that hurts nobody. Doubling down on this can have a valuable impact, but in the end it would feel like something we almost never get to see because our own arts are generally superior.
What we lack is a real table turner if we're pressed--and EUM fits that to a T.
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[] Thousand Year Impenetrable Mist: B
we might not be the kind that saves everyone. but we can be someone that gives every single goddamn rank 0 in our mist a chance
It's not flashy, it doesn't scale super well, it's significantly worse at peer combat, it doesn't help solve any problems, and without a healing tech most are going to die as soon as the Short duration is up (or sooner if they're in physical combat)
but everyone deserves a chance. And we can give them that.
Screw it.
[X] Enlightenment's Unbreaking Mirror: B
this is a much healthier tech in terms of writing combat scenes, and is way better scaling than the other. If the other one didn't make me narratively swoon I'd eyeroll at it for being not distinguishable from a hundred other AoE soak effects
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[X] Thousand Year Impenetrable Mist
I'm convinced.
I'm convinced.
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[X] Enlightenment's Unbreaking Mirror: B
Alectai convinced me.
Alectai convinced me.
[X] Thousand Year Impenetrable Mist: B
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I think that the Mirror has better mechanical synergy with more of our techs overall. It helps with the perception gating effect of EDD against high perception enemies, it should work well in tandem with SNR and BKSD's rank decrease aspects.
But, overall I think I like the Mist more. I like the effect of C rank damage reduction lasting for a bit of time. I like the effect of providing a 1 hit K-O shield. And I like the idea of our mist never leaving, always remaining, and just existing, soaking up damage from an enemy's attacks.
So, in that vein, I will be voting for
[X] Thousand Year Impenetrable Mist: B
But, overall I think I like the Mist more. I like the effect of C rank damage reduction lasting for a bit of time. I like the effect of providing a 1 hit K-O shield. And I like the idea of our mist never leaving, always remaining, and just existing, soaking up damage from an enemy's attacks.
So, in that vein, I will be voting for
[X] Thousand Year Impenetrable Mist: B
[X] Thousand Year Impenetrable Mist: B
Because in terms of being a logical development of our Domain and [The Mist] this is the only thing that I can see how it works right now.
In terms of description, both techs I feel kinda have a problem where there's a missing sentence in the middle. They both go from [evocative description of a concept] to [effects] with nothing describing how the concept is actually implemented in the context of The Mist. TYIM I can guess at - the mist thickening and darkening to shield our allies and ablate the attack makes sense in terms of the themes of our Domain, and the way that FVM has been shown. It's a logical development.
Mirror otoh I'm just confused by since light imagery has never been our thing. People talk about the value of adding the counterattack options to our abilities - which I don't disagree with - but it's that precise issue of "this is a capability that people keep wanting but we never really go for (and even when we have it we don't use it)" that makes it not make sense as a Domain development.
Because in terms of being a logical development of our Domain and [The Mist] this is the only thing that I can see how it works right now.
In terms of description, both techs I feel kinda have a problem where there's a missing sentence in the middle. They both go from [evocative description of a concept] to [effects] with nothing describing how the concept is actually implemented in the context of The Mist. TYIM I can guess at - the mist thickening and darkening to shield our allies and ablate the attack makes sense in terms of the themes of our Domain, and the way that FVM has been shown. It's a logical development.
Mirror otoh I'm just confused by since light imagery has never been our thing. People talk about the value of adding the counterattack options to our abilities - which I don't disagree with - but it's that precise issue of "this is a capability that people keep wanting but we never really go for (and even when we have it we don't use it)" that makes it not make sense as a Domain development.
a few details for clarification from the discord
and my vote
[X] Thousand Year Impenetrable Mist: B
and my vote
[X] Thousand Year Impenetrable Mist: B
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@yrsillar The wording on TYIM seems problematic as the K-O shield doesn't have the once per fight/scene/encounter clause that other examples of the effect have. Right now nothing is stopping us from spamming the effect and having hordes of almost zombies follow us around. Is this intentional?
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[X] Thousand Year Impenetrable Mist: B
Best argument for this is that it might let us finish more combat events standing up, cause I'm frankly getting bored of LQ getting punched to unconsciousness
Best argument against is that it might let us finish more combat events standing up.
Best argument for this is that it might let us finish more combat events standing up, cause I'm frankly getting bored of LQ getting punched to unconsciousness
Best argument against is that it might let us finish more combat events standing up.
[X] Enlightenment's Unbreaking Mirror: B
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[X] Enlightenment's Unbreaking Mirror: B