An animus is not a soul, it's just motive forge a zombie has an animus but there is nothing of the person they were in them.
sized for a large creature.
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An animus is not a soul, it's just motive forge a zombie has an animus but there is nothing of the person they were in them.
sized for a large creature.
Goldfish
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Even if that were possible, it would still require the spell to recreate a 6,000 IM Golem. That's equivalent to 60,000 gp. Even a Wish spell, which can create items of up to 25,000 gp in value at the cost of 5,000 XP, couldn't accomplish that.
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Could Bahro comfortably use it as tool rather than a weapon?
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@DragonParadox How is Legion morale holding up? What with them genuinely kicking all kinds of ass and holding their own against a serious opponent.
I bet they won't scare easily from fighting regular people after this campaign.
I bet they won't scare easily from fighting regular people after this campaign.
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He's a monk rather than a smith. We can specially make a construct to wield it for the new forges when the time comes.
Yes, he could also use it as a 1 handed light hammer
I'll cover that in more detail once the battle is properly won, but yet there is definitely a strong espirit de corps there and they most certainly would not scare at regular armies.
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I have been mostly absent from the thread because I am confined for 2 weeks after entering Ireland, and am currently camping out in an unused farm shed in the middle of nowhere + avoiding people. Great place to write in peace and quiet!
I'll get internet access back in a few days (have 5 a des minutes a day and mostly have to use it to write to my boss), and will do these sheet edits then. Sorry for the delay !
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That's true, but I just thought it had a neat kind of symbolism, not to mention conceptual and metaphysical weight. An Awakened Adamantine Golem smith, using the Sky Metal (Adamantine, Mithral, or something rarer?) hammer of a former Smith-God, working on an anvil salvaged from the Inevitable Forges of Axis and using a Forge that once belonged to primordial elemental deities...that could get some stuff done.
I haven't made a sheet for Bahro yet, but he's got a lot of feats coming to him due to his high HD. Between a couple of skill-boosting feats, his Intelligence and an Int-boosting item, a +10 skill booster, and a Crafter's Fortune spell, we could easily get his Crafting(Metalworking) skill up to +25, with further modifications using more spells.
No problem, it's not urgent or anything just a thought I wrote down so as not to forget.
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Holy crap, dude. Good luck and watch out for Irish bears. And leprechauns!
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That hammer...It will do us good. As a note we should plant an Old Gods tree on where that altar once was. Just to make sure that nothing comes back. You know...casual paranoia.
Edit: Also we broke them...like we beat their god and broke them. They are done.
Edit: Also we broke them...like we beat their god and broke them. They are done.
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We could, but do we really have to use Bahro for this? Wouldn't it be better to just make a dedicated construct for smithing and focus Bahro on being the best monk possible?
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@Goldfish We're gonna want to light up something like 240 more banners to provide coverage for all of our reinforcements.
In addition, we should talk about defensive measures and magical protections we'll use for the next battle. I.E the big one. We'll have had many more days for some specific things to have been crafted since then, and if it's something like spell scrolls, we could have had them purchased.
Ordinarily I'd propose a bombing campaign, but I figure it's safer to keep our air force around where we can intervene against magic. Though we can probably at least institute some of those basic protections, since we have PfE items.
In addition, we should talk about defensive measures and magical protections we'll use for the next battle. I.E the big one. We'll have had many more days for some specific things to have been crafted since then, and if it's something like spell scrolls, we could have had them purchased.
Ordinarily I'd propose a bombing campaign, but I figure it's safer to keep our air force around where we can intervene against magic. Though we can probably at least institute some of those basic protections, since we have PfE items.
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Do we have the hammer? It seemed, to me, that it floated away
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The current batch of 170 still have weeks of duration remaining, but we can easily add more to that.
I'll put together a basic gear package for our pilots when I get back to my computer this evening. We already have plenty of PfE items and Healing Belts, but we've had enough time to craft a bunch of Third Eyes of Clarity and 1/Day Tyche's Touch items.
There are plenty of spell scrolls remaining. I'm not sure about Gravemarker arrows, though. We started this battle with 2,000. We can make more, though. @DragonParadox, any idea how many of those remain?
Not quite what I'm arguing, I'm suggesting miracle would be able to reconstitute a broken magic item or construct. It definitely cannot create a new construct that has never been built.
If you put a fancy magic item up against an adamantine grinding wheel until the item was dust, any caster who knows greater make whole (and has a cl of at least the items), will be able to take that dust and make it a magic item again. If it instead of being destroyed via grinding wheel, if it is destroyed via disintegrate, is that no longer possible?
If you forge a zombie out of a corpse, wouldn't that involve you either replacing or severely modifying the animus magically? If you use speak with dead on a zombie you just (re)killed, I'd expect you to get answers about what the zombie knew, not what the person whose body was turned into a body knew.
We also know that construct animai (animuses? not sure what the right plural form is) contain information about both the form and function of the construct because the spell Memory of Function exists. If you just don't want this to work because you think its imbalanced, you can simply rule that the animus is destroyed when the disintegrate spell destroys the construct, and the miracle can't recreate it.
Vote closed.
That spell also works on pots and pans and one can hardly argue they have a soul. Also crucially they work on broken constructs, one ones that have been atomized. It would therefore be logical to assume that the spell reads function in some aspect of physical reality, lingering shape fit to purpose, not a soul or animus.
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Disintegrate is supposed to be the high end spell for making it obnoxious about item value loss. Pretty sure it will turn your items into dust, too.
Edit: "A disintegrated creature's equipment is unaffected." I stand corrected.
Hmmm... I guess Disjunction is the go-to for that.
Edit: "A disintegrated creature's equipment is unaffected." I stand corrected.
Hmmm... I guess Disjunction is the go-to for that.
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We may want to look into getting our army armed in Imperal Steel before we are attacked by the others.
We may want to look into getting our army armed in Imperal Steel before we are attacked by the others.
I should first note that I totally agree that they don't have a soul (including the construct). If you were to take a grinder to a pot until it is nothing but metal shavings, and then hit it with this spell, would you get a pot back?
I would agree if the spell didn't include restoring the constructs memory. That can't come from the physical form.
The logic would be that it restores memory from the actual physical seat of said memory. Unlike a boloogical brain a constructs arcane internals are a lot more robust after 'death'.
Goldfish
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At this point I would just chalk it up to WOG ruling from DP.
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The Legion is definitely getting decked out in Imperial Steel when Meraxes delivers. Of course we are going to want to perform a raid on one of our many fiendish enemies to get the appropriate sacrifices so we don't need to pay the cost purely in Imperial Marks.
So assuming everyone in a single Legion with 11,800 members gets at least an Imperial Steel Thinblade, and keeping in mind that where a Longsword is 4 lbs a Thinblade is like 3 lbs, we're looking at 35,400 lbs of Imperial Steel needed overall. That translates to 708 HD needed. And we already have a lifetime supply of Hell Iron so we don't need to pay anything on that front.
If we use the Mammon Machine for this instead of tossing fiends into the grinder, that's 200 IM per HD, which will cost 141,600 IM. That's... honestly cheap as fuck considering the wealth we throw around for various projects these days. We just need to organize another major Efreeti raid and we can probably pay for equipping every Legion and the Night's Watch.