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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Duesal said:
We would, and that would be waaaaay less than ideal, but it would be with the mythic queen and her most loyal in control of the undead while also not suffering the same drawbacks.
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That might work, but to be honest I would dislike having a living elite rule over a folk of Undead.
Feels kinda like being on the wrong side of history, you know?

Crake said:
Well I dunno... I had this idea.

@Artemis1992 Rather than resurrecting, I think @DragonParadox has stated it is easier to transfer a being from one state into a similar state due to sympathetic connections.

What if we designed an undead body similar to vampires in their "put-togetherness" and powered off Positive Energy like has been theorized? Then it would be a matter of designing some kind of animus spark for each body that a spirit of undeath could inhabit. This gives them all the sensation of life along with the immunities of Undeath.
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Well, something like that sounds good.
Or we could look into producing "empty" non-ensouled Warforged-bodies in Anu's new forge and translate the Undead's animus into those?

That way Anu would enable the resurrection of those who once created him and his kind.
 
Duesal said:
Oh, I have no intention of raising all of her subjects. Only her and her most loyal. Raising the entire kingdom would bankrupt even us.
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Raising them would, re-embodying them would not, we can profit from re-embodying them, as I think even a 1HD undead, willingly sacrificing itself to a Heart Tree, should produce more reagents, than making a CR1 body cost, we just need to develop a standardized way of transferring their souls, and their old bodies can pay for their new bodies, and we can take the leftover reagents as a resurrection fee.

We profit, the old gods profit, and they come back to life, what's not to like?
 
Artemis1992 said:
That might work, but to be honest I would dislike having a living elite rule over a folk of Undead.
Feels kinda like being on the wrong side of history, you know?
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No, I don't agree with that. If the queen wants to invest resources into a mass resurrection I'd support her efforts there, but her and her immediate vassals being alive would be a big bonus.
Artemis1992 said:
Well, something like that sounds good.
Or we could look into producing "empty" non-ensouled Warforged-bodies in Anu's new forge and translate the Undead's animus into those?

That way Anu would enable the resurrection of those who once created him and his kind.
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Now this I can get behind, though for the queen herself I'd rather do a proper resurrectiion.
 
Artemis1992 said:
Well, something like that sounds good.
Or we could look into producing "empty" non-ensouled Warforged-bodies in Anu's new forge and translate the Undead's animus into those?

That way Anu would enable the resurrection of those who once created him and his kind.
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That's also a good idea, though I still think, we should have them sacrifice their undead bodies to the old gods, to pay for the cost of making all those Warforged-bodies.

And we will still have to figure out, how to merge a soul gem with a soulless body, so your idea is basically the same as mine, just with using the Warforged forge, instead of the Fungus or Flesh forge.

Or do you have another idea for transferring the soul, than items of create soul gem and spark of life?
 
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While I have no issues with undead...they will need to be stabilized and uncorrupted. I do not need them leaking negative energy like Chernobyl(though Sarnor is way worse already) and the void can stay the fuck away.

Also as a note @DragonParadox what are the negative effects of Negative Energy on the land? We have been told its bad but how bad is it? Like classic easier to raise undead bad? Hard to grow food bad? Natural life ain't growing bad? What are we looking at?
 
@DragonParadox Looking at lore, Warforged do not have to eat and drink, but neither do they exist as android and gynoid bodies without the ability or means to experience more human sensations. I think their sense of texture and likely other senses are different, but they exist since their metal is "living", and they also have a sense of taste and can eat and drink.

I think you might have actually handed us the most reasonable means both in cost and ability to meet the mad ambition of bringing an undead civilization back to life.

Turning them into a civilization of constructs.
 
Crake said:
@DragonParadox Looking at lore, Warforged do not have to eat and drink, but neither do they exist as android and gynoid bodies without the ability or means to experience more human sensations. I think their sense of texture and likely other senses are different, but they exist since their metal is "living", and they also have a sense of taste and can eat and drink.

I think you might have actually handed us the most reasonable means both in cost and ability to meet the mad ambition of bringing an undead civilization back to life.

Turning them into a civilization of constructs.
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Constructs they themselves developed centuries ago. This really is the best possible large scale outcome I can think of. Great thinking, @Artemis1992.

I wonder if we can have Anu, maybe with help from Qyburn and Wyla, build an additional feature into the Creation Forge. The sentient Undead steps into the booth, their animus/soul is extracted, destroying their remains, and a waiting inert Warforged on the other end of connection absorbs it to be restored to some semblance of life.
 
egoo said:
...we would literally do the "Necrontyr -> Necron" thing to them.

And they are already Undead Egyptian-expies.

Is it double-stealing if we are taking from 40k and FB at the same time? :V
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[X] Goldfish

Yeah but we're not star-devouring assholes playing at trick on them.

The comparison is a tad unfair. This is mot GITS than anything else, especially what with our own Section 9.
 
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Crake said:
@DragonParadox Looking at lore, Warforged do not have to eat and drink, but neither do they exist as android and gynoid bodies without the ability or means to experience more human sensations. I think their sense of texture and likely other senses are different, but they exist since their metal is "living", and they also have a sense of taste and can eat and drink.

I think you might have actually handed us the most reasonable means both in cost and ability to meet the mad ambition of bringing an undead civilization back to life.

Turning them into a civilization of constructs.
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Still need to know the cost of the research.

Also do you have an alternate way of transferring them to Warforged-bodies, or are we going with my Spark of life/create soul gem plan?

Also Warforged bodies are expensive, do you have another way to have them pay for tens of thousands of them, or will we go with my let them sacrifice their undead bodies to the old gods, for reagents to make their new bodies with?
Goldfish said:
Constructs they themselves developed centuries ago. This really is the best possible large scale outcome I can think of. Great thinking, @Artemis1992.

I wonder if we can have Anu, maybe with help from Qyburn and Wyla, build an additional feature into the Creation Forge. The sentient Undead steps into the booth, their animus/soul is extracted, destroying their remains, and a waiting inert Warforged on the other end of connection absorbs it to be restored to some semblance of life.
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Why are you planning to destroy their old body? Those are valuable, they should be either sacrificed, or sent to the Fungus Forge, to pay for the cost of their new bodies.
 
Crake said:
we're not star-devouring
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SOON.
*aims for the closest energy field larger than own head*

So, we can offer as such:
a) Mass-scale "transferance" into Warforged bodies, works for all, no NE-induced insanity, ability to taste, smell, etc.
b) Full return to life on an extra-small scale, see the ritual we used on Laenor. Otherwise too costly even if paid by them.
c) Wyla's Undead-unmaddening research for those preferring to stay Undead. Non-negotiable.

[X] Goldfish
 
tarrangar said:
Still need to know the cost of the research.

Also do you have an alternate way of transferring them to Warforged-bodies, or are we going with my Spark of life/create soul gem plan?

Also Warforged bodies are expensive, do you have another way to have them pay for tens of thousands of them, or will we go with my let them sacrifice their undead bodies to the old gods, for reagents to make their new bodies with?

Why are you planning to destroy their old body? Those are valuable, they should be either sacrificed, or sent to the Fungus Forge, to pay for the cost of their new bodies.
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Basic Warforged aren't that expensive, it's only when you start using special materials that they get pricey. And there aren't going to be tens of thousands of sentient Undead. Most of them by far are going to be mindless and completely beyond any hope of recovery.

I'm not planning to destroy their bodies, but I mentioned it because traditionally in D&D, before an Undead can be restored to life their Undead body must be destroyed. If that's a side-effect of transferring them into a Warforged body, then so be it. If not, I sure won't complain.
 
egoo said:
SOON.
*aims for the closest energy field larger than own head*

So, we can offer as such:
a) Mass-scale "transferance" into Warforged bodies, works for all, no NE-insanity, ability to taste, smell, etc.
b) Full return to life on an extra-small scale, see the ritual we used on Laenor. Otherwise too costly even if paid by them.
c) Wyla's Undead-unmaddening research for those preferring to stay Undead. Non-negotiable.
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"No matter how tempted I am by the prospect of unlimited power, I will not consume any energy field bigger than my head." — Evil Overlord List, Rule #22
 
Goldfish said:
Basic Warforged aren't that expensive, it's only when you start using special materials that they get pricey. And there aren't going to be tens of thousands of sentient Undead. Most of them by far are going to be mindless and completely beyond any hope of recovery.

I'm not planning to destroy their bodies, but I mentioned it because traditionally in D&D, before an Undead can be restored to life their Undead body must be destroyed. If that's a side-effect of transferring them into a Warforged body, then so be it. If not, I sure won't complain.
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Steel and Bronze can take care of most of them.
 
egoo said:
SOON.
*aims for the closest energy field larger than own head*

So, we can offer as such:
a) Mass-scale "transferance" into Warforged bodies, works for all, no NE-induced insanity, ability to taste, smell, etc.
b) Full return to life on an extra-small scale, see the ritual we used on Laenor. Otherwise too costly even if paid by them.
c) Wyla's Undead-unmaddening research for those preferring to stay Undead. Non-negotiable.

[X] Goldfish
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As living beings, there is no reason that a Warforged couldn't be Reincarnated into a more fleshy vessel eventually, though that is an extra step which requires more active intervention. It might be the best way to restore the VIP Undead.
 
egoo said:
SOON.
*aims for the closest energy field larger than own head*

So, we can offer as such:
a) Mass-scale "transferance" into Warforged bodies, works for all, no NE-induced insanity, ability to taste, smell, etc.
b) Full return to life on an extra-small scale, see the ritual we used on Laenor. Otherwise too costly even if paid by them.
c) Wyla's Undead-unmaddening research for those preferring to stay Undead. Non-negotiable.

[X] Goldfish
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We can offer return to life on a big scale, it just wont be human life, but there's no problem, with transferring them to bodies created in the Fungus Forge.
Goldfish said:
Basic Warforged aren't that expensive, it's only when you start using special materials that they get pricey. And there aren't going to be tens of thousands of sentient Undead. Most of them by far are going to be mindless and completely beyond any hope of recovery.

I'm not planning to destroy their bodies, but I mentioned it because traditionally in D&D, before an Undead can be restored to life their Undead body must be destroyed. If that's a side-effect of transferring them into a Warforged body, then so be it. If not, I sure won't complain.
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It's still far more economical, to extract their soul though spark of life/create soul gem, while either sacrificing their undead body, or sending it to the Fungus Forge, then using the soul gem to re-embody them.

And there very well might be tens of thousand of intelligent undeads, not here maybe, but there's that city where most of the inhabitants don't know they're undead, those undead are all some level of sapient.
 
Goldfish said:
As living beings, there is no reason that a Warforged couldn't be Reincarnated into a more fleshy vessel eventually, though that is an extra step which requires more active intervention. It might be the best way to restore the VIP Undead.
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Yeah, for the queen and her immediate vassals it'd be better to offer up proper resurrection the way we did for Amrelath and Laenor Targaryen. And with the subjects being brought back as Warforged, they have the option to work towards a second reincarnation eventually.
 
Why so much emphasis on her not being undead?

They seem sane. We don't give a shit about the literal fiends joining us, why would we be racist against undead?

Let them keep their lack of life as long as they respect our laws, or as long ad they are a stabilizing presence in this place that prevents everything from exploding in yet another clusterfuck.
 
Tomcost said:
Why so much emphasis on her not being undead?

They seem sane. We don't give a shit about the literal fiends joining us, why would we be racist against undead?

Let them keep their lack of life as long as they respect our laws, or as long ad they are a stabilizing presence in this place that prevents everything from exploding in yet another clusterfuck.
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1. As per DP's word, undead tend to not like being undead. If she passionately defends her unlife then we'll reevaluate our approach, but our assumption is that the queen and her subjects would appreciate an alternative.
2. They themselves aren't the problem, it's more the enemies that could easily exploit them.
 
Tomcost said:
Why so much emphasis on her not being undead?

They seem sane. We don't give a shit about the literal fiends joining us, why would we be racist against undead?

Let them keep their lack of life as long as they respect our laws, or as long ad they are a stabilizing presence in this place that prevents everything from exploding in yet another clusterfuck.
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Most Undead hate being Undead.

If they don't?
Well, that's unexpected, but we'll only try our damndest to enforce Wyla's ritual to keep them sane, not try and force them back into the world of living.

This here is just throwing together a "hey, how can we best turn this guys to our side, and/or make sure they don't go insane long-term".
I'm pretty sure most of is wouldn't mind having them stay Undead, or better yet being Vassals as Undead (effing metal, mate), it's that fluff-wise being Undead sucks Void's balls.

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Goldfish said:
Basic Warforged aren't that expensive, it's only when you start using special materials that they get pricey. And there aren't going to be tens of thousands of sentient Undead. Most of them by far are going to be mindless and completely beyond any hope of recovery.
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They might.
At least the warriors are modeled as this: Karrnathi Skeleton – Monster – D&D Tools

Might be that the civilians got a worse deal and are utterly mindless, but I think we can expect baseline-sapient Undead in the thousands at least.

Edit: Hey, another Necron-parallel, the warriors are like Necron Immortals and kept more of themselves than the civilians who became the common Necron Warriors.
 
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