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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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[X] "What do I want?" Point at the First Axe. "I want that murderer's life. I want you to convince to convince me." Pause for confusion "I want you to convince me why I should not respond in kind to your unprovoked attacks on my innocent citizens. Convince me why I should not close all borders to your filthy city and rain destuction such as the world has not seen since the doom. Convince me why I should not make an example of this squalor that you call a city. I will destroy this city so utterly that when the next state thinks they can do as they please with me and mine they will pause and ask 'Will we be the next Norvos?' "
 
Goldfish said:
@DragonParadox, how much does the average slave in Essos cost? And about how many of them are in Norvos?
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The average slave which is to say a healthy slave used for agricultural labor costs about 50 IM. there are millions of slaves in Norvos and its hinterlands and very many people who simply will not sell because their businesses and livelihoods depend on it and the slave markets are not what they used to be thanks directly to Viserys.
 
Mormont said:
[X] "What do I want?" Point at the First Axe. "I want that murderer's life. I want you to convince to convince me." Pause for confusion "I want you to convince me why I should not respond in kind to your unprovoked attacks on my innocent citizens. Convince me why I should not close all borders to your filthy city and rain destuction such as the world has not seen since the doom. Convince me why I should not make an example of this squalor that you call a city. I will destroy this city so utterly that when the next state thinks they can do as they please with me and mine they will pause and ask 'Will we be the next Norvos?' "
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Let's not go full Genghis Khan and wipe out Norvos. I get they killed Imperial Citizens but wiping out an entire city is way too far.
 
[X] Mormont

For once I'd like to act like everyone gotta cover when we turn around, or we'd slap them in the face with our massive di-

Ahem, sorry, tired of diplomancing asshats, mostly Westerosi fault.
 
Okay, let's not go crazy. Remember that we have made exactly zero preparations for taking this city, and it's chasing up to be a real pain in the ass to control after we did. Even if we do want to invade we shouldn't just say that to their faces. Giving them that kind of advantage is buying into our own hype in the worst way possible.

We should pick things that let us get our claws into the city to prepare the way for invasion if that's what we really want to do. Either the trade company thing or asking that they allow priests from our other faiths to come here. Hell, we could encourage the seven worshipers to try their luck here under our protection and underline why we need secular governmental policies.
Edit: we could also make them pay weregild to the dead traders, and publicly apologize for the wrongdoings of his faithful. Then we'll have established precedent that he can be held accountable for things done by the BG's faithful, and use the next time any one of them does something objectionable as a justification to invade when we're good and ready.
 
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BronzeTongue said:
We should pick things that let us get our claws into the city to prepare the way for invasion if that's what we really want to do. Either the trade company thing or asking that they allow priests from our other faiths to come here. Hell, we could encourage the seven worshipers to try their luck here under our protection and underline why we need secular governmental policies.
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The latter they will not allow. This is a theocracy and the only reason there are so many Rhllorites is purely due to the Essos having that be its major religion and every slave following it. The former is good. Trade concessions that favour Imperium industries would be great. @DragonParadox what industry is crucial yet something Norvos has had to export out?
 
One Autumn Leaf said:
The latter they will not allow. This is a theocracy and the only reason there are so many Rhllorites is purely due to the Essos having that be its major religion and every slave following it. The former is good. Trade concessions that favour Imperium industries would be great. @DragonParadox what industry is crucial yet something Norvos has had to export out?
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They do not really have crucial industries the way a moderns state does. The biggest money maker for export would probably be cattle and sheep herding.
 
One Autumn Leaf said:
The latter they will not allow. This is a theocracy and the only reason there are so many Rhllorites is purely due to the Essos having that be its major religion and every slave following it. The former is good. Trade concessions that favour Imperium industries would be great. @DragonParadox what industry is crucial yet something Norvos has had to export out?
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What if we demand they let us trade at the same tax rate as local steel producers and workers, then dump cheap metal until we've driven everyone else out of business?
 
Rather than asking for trade concessions or demanding better treatment for Burny worshipers, I think we should just try to stir the pot a bit. We don't need their money and we have no good way to enforce better treatment of R'hllorists. Pitting two factions of the their faith against one another, however, has the potential for diminishing their strength and unity before the inevitable conflict between Norvos and the Imperium. I don't actually expect the Voice to be able to rein in the warmongers, if he even wants to, so we should expect more attacks instigated by the Beardies.

[X] "I merely wish for you to use this...unfortunate incident...as an opportunity. There are clearly forces within your clergy who wish to engender hostilities between Norvos and the Imperium." There is no sense in prevaricating at this point, so gesture at the already agitated First Axe. "Use the opportunity to bring them under heel by whatever means you feel is necessary. Now that you are aware of the problem, it is your responsibility to correct it, unless you wish to admit that you cannot control the more hotheaded among your clergy?"
-[X] "My patience is limited, especially when it comes to the safety of my people, and what mercy I have to spare has already been spent. Should another such incident occur, there will be...consequences for Norvos and the Faith of the Lawgiver."
 
DragonParadox said:
When the poisoned wine touches your lips you feel as much as hear the horror of the Voice's would-be killer and you realize danger as she is about to shout a warning and give the whole thing away.

"Stop, he's safe," Varys' mind-voice is practically a scream, enough that even the echo is enough to send a twinge of pain through your temples.

Thankfully the assassin stops just shy of giving herself away, her mouth snapping closed before anyone in attendance can notice her.

"Meet us at the Fountain of the Dancing Goat at noon," your familiar adds in a more normal tone as you set the goblet down to the audience of less than pleased Norvoshi priests, but none the wiser about the attempted assassination which is all you needed.
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You shall be a good future minion.

[X] Goldfish
 
[X] Ask for trading concessions which will favor your companies
-[X] To be allowed to trade raw material and worked metal at the same tax rate as local producers of such products and establish local offices for that purpose.
-[X] Imperial officials will be allowed to audit these offices to ensure the rights of our citizens are being respected.

So we move in, bringing the inquisition with us, and establish offices Th at will slowly take control of a critical military industry. In the mean time, we provide protection and maybe small places of worship for local R'hllorists. They're already punishing them for the perception that we're doing this, but as we're proving here they will balk at directly challenging us directly. We can provide implicit protection by just being there looking over Norvos' proverbial shoulder.
 
@Goldfish I like the vote but can we have at least one blantent threat. I know what consequences mean but I want Viserys to be a bit more explicit in his abhorrence of what occurred.

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[X] Goldfish

Whatever.
I guess we could try to make a free spot to invade or destroy the city somewhere in the next few months?
It will take a lot less time than Westeros.
 
Mormont said:
@Goldfish I like the vote but can we have at least one blantemt threat. I know what consequences mean but I want Viserys to be a bit more explicit in his abhorrence of what occurred.

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I think an implied but non-specific threat is better here than something more blatant. We've already conquered or annexed the majority of western Essos and our ships basically control the Narrow Sea. It's common knowledge that we have multiple Dragons, armies, and deadly mages. By leaving the threat unsaid, we could be talking about a military invasion, a complete blockade of their port, teams of mages striking at targets within the city, Dragons setting the city aflame, etc. They have to worry about all of them equally, so that should contribute to the tension and urgency to get their shit under control.
 
Mormont said:
@Goldfish I like the vote but can we have T least one blantemt threat. I know what consequences mean but I want Viserys to be a bit more explicit in his abhorrence of what occurred.
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A personal visit from Viserys and a conversation on consequences is sort of like having a head of state pull up to another nations capitol with a nuclear missile in their motorcade. Being verbally explicit isn't nearly as threatening as just being there.

I do think we should try to get our hooks into the city using this, but the political turmoil of telling beard!pope to start a civil war is probably good enough for softening them up. It's not even that unreasonable to ask him to stop sanctioning the people who are attacking our citizens, so we get to make him eat crow twice and set part of his organization on fire.

[X] Goldfish
 
BronzeTongue said:
A personal visit from Viserys and a conversation on consequences is sort of like having a head of state pull up to another nations capitol with a nuclear missile in their motorcade. Being verbally explicit isn't nearly as threatening as just being there.

I do think we should try to get our hooks into the city using this, but the political turmoil of telling beard!pope to start a civil war is probably good enough for softening them up. It's not even that unreasonable to ask him to stop sanctioning the people who are attacking our citizens, so we get to make him eat crow twice and set part of his organization on fire.

[X] Goldfish
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Beard!Pope... :lol::rofl::lol::rofl:

/giggle
 
[X] Goldfish

I like it. We will need a stronger inquisition presence here to gather better information. Canwe expand the base here?
 
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