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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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Part MMMDLIV: Closing the Deal
Closing the Deal
Twenty Fifth Day of the First Month 294 AC
After discussing the particulars of actually paying half a million Glassteel Scepters, something even the folds of your cloak do not contain, at a moment's notice, you move on to the more delicate matter of the devil's familiar. Obviously Heronious cannot sell it and while he can transcribe some of the lore in ink and paper, other elements that have to do with enchantment and spirit-binding is not easily done a second time. "I could try to make a copy, but I would need to know who it is meant for. One cannot bind familiars to a new master with the same ease one might acquire a simple beast for companionship."
"Yet Echyr sold your very familiar to a new master without mentioning any possible trouble," you point out.
The devil shakes his head, his monocle flashing crimson in the lantern light. "I was still very much alive then. I assure you that if I had indeed faced True Death, the first thing my familiar would have done is detonate, preferably uncomfortably close to my murderer."
You call to hand a slim black tome, not a ritual you have often adverted, but as neat a piece of work as Lya ever crafted. "Would this bridge the gap?"
"Hmm... not on its own, but it could help me craft a familiar that can be later bound safely. I may keep this, of course?" The words are not much of a question. You suspect he has already memorized most of the particulars at a glance.
"Yes, part of the cost of crafting in addition to what I was promised at the auction." Which is to say half what you paid for the notes on soul-craft, if you do not count sticking your neck out for the too-sharp intrigues of Heaven's Shore.
"Excellent, you shall have it in no more than thirty Sliver Angle cycles," A month, you translate mentally as the devil begins to rise from his seat, a low bench really, given the form of his lower half.
"A moment of your time, learned one," you interject carefully. "Now that the pretense of the auction is done, are you willing to sell any of the other lore that was presented there? My vault has not emptied so much that I would not be interested in making an offer for them if you are willing to sell."
"It is one thing to sell pieces of one's great work spread out among many, and quite another to offer up all to a single scholar, however congenial in disposition," the devil replies, you suspect torn between caution and the desire for more unique lore, more wealth to fuel his studies. "I am willing to sell one more of the three tomes that were part of the auction. I have no interest in... Ah, what was the word the shaitan are so found of? Ah yes.... gouging you unfairly, as though your people were stones. Payment in coin is acceptable, matching the winning bid for the auction."
Offered:
Accounts of the Great Wheel and its Turning
Commission for a Clockwork Familiar (1 Month's time)
- Flesh to Steel Ritual
- Spirit's Kinship Ritual
- 1,500,000 IM
Accounts of the Great Wheel and its Turning
Commission for a Clockwork Familiar (1 Month's time)
Which, if any, extra lore do you buy?
[] Scroll of Spiritual Decay (48,000 IM)
[] Ar'Azil's Grimoire (106,000 IM)
[] Tome of Cacodaemon Anatomy (240,000 IM)
[] No further purchases
OOC: And here we are, last call on the trade.
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egoo
Totally Not Creating Problems Where None Existed
- Location
- Russia
The Asphynx's Agony is not available in any form, then, @DragonParadox?
[X] Ar'Azil's Grimoire (106,000 IM)
Like i said before, the cacodaemon soul-congealing is really not something of interest to us IC.
EDIT: Good point is made against the Necro-stuff that we won't really ever use either.
[X] Ar'Azil's Grimoire (106,000 IM)
Like i said before, the cacodaemon soul-congealing is really not something of interest to us IC.
EDIT: Good point is made against the Necro-stuff that we won't really ever use either.
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No, it's not something he can reproduce.
egoo
Totally Not Creating Problems Where None Existed
- Location
- Russia
Oh well, sometimes you get, sometimes you get got, I'm content with what we got so far.
Is it likely that offering further lore from us will get him to ease up and offer some of his?
We have a few minor-to-middling things we could give up without much trouble, that'd be of some use to him...
Not at this point, he is genuinely worried about the dangers of handing you all his lore and someone stealing his life's work out from under him. Maybe later if he comes to trust you more.
- Location
- Germany
[X] Ar'Azil's Grimoire (106,000 IM)
We don't really do much spirit-related Necromancy.
I guess it could be used to help Jon eventually, but aside from that, why would we need it?
We have never even tried making ghost-minions, I believe.
We don't really do much spirit-related Necromancy.
I guess it could be used to help Jon eventually, but aside from that, why would we need it?
We have never even tried making ghost-minions, I believe.
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
- Location
- Formerly of the Far Realm
Closing the Deal
Twenty Fifth Day of the First Month 294 AC
After discussing the particulars of actually paying half a million Glassteel Scepters, something even the folds of your cloak do not contain, at a moment's notice, you move on to the more delicate matter of the devil's familiar. Obviously Heronious cannot sell it and while he can transcribe some of the lore in ink and paper, other elements that have to do with enchantment and spirit-binding is not easily done a second time. "I could try to make a copy, but I would need to know who it is meant for. One cannot bind familiars to a new master with the same ease one might acquire a simple beast for companionship."
"Yet Echyr sold your very familiar to a new master without mentioning any possible trouble," you point out.
The devil shakes his head, his monocle flashing crimson in the lantern light. "I was still very much alive then. I assure you that if I had indeed faced True Death, the first thing my familiar would have done is detonate, preferably uncomfortably close to my murderer."
You call to hand a slim black tome, not a ritual you have often adverted, but as neat a piece of work as Lya ever crafted. "Would this bridge the gap?"
"Hmm... not on its own, but it could help me craft a familiar that can be later bound safely. I may keep this, of course?" The words are not much of a question. You suspect he has already memorized most of the particulars at a glance.
"Yes, part of the cost of crafting in addition to what I was promised at the auction." Which is to say half what you paid for the notes on soul-craft, if you do not count sticking your neck out for the too-sharp intrigues of Heaven's Shore.
"Excellent, you shall have it in no more than thirty Sliver Angle cycles," A month, you translate mentally as the devil begins to rise from his seat, a low bench really, given the form of his lower half.
"A moment of your time, learned one," you interject carefully. "Now that the pretense of the auction is done, are you willing to sell any of the other lore that was presented there? My vault has not emptied so much that I would not be interested in making an offer for them if you are willing to sell."
"It is one thing to sell pieces of one's great work spread out among many, and quite another to offer up all to a single scholar, however congenial in disposition," the devil replies, you suspect torn between caution and the desire for more unique lore, more wealth to fuel his studies. "I am willing to sell one more of the three tomes that were part of the auction. I have no interest in... Ah, what was the word the shaitan are so found of? Ah yes.... gouging you unfairly, as though your people were stones. Payment in coin is acceptable, matching the winning bid for the auction."
Offered:
Accounts of the Great Wheel and its Turning
Commission for a Clockwork Familiar (1 Month's time)
- Flesh to Steel Ritual
- Spirit's Kinship Ritual
- 1,500,000 IM
Accounts of the Great Wheel and its Turning
Commission for a Clockwork Familiar (1 Month's time)
Which, if any, extra lore do you buy?
[] Scroll of Spiritual Decay (48,000 IM)
[] Ar'Azil's Grimoire (106,000 IM)
[] Tome of Cacodaemon Anatomy (240,000 IM)
[] No further purchases
OOC: And here we are, last call on the trade.
egoo
Totally Not Creating Problems Where None Existed
- Location
- Russia
So we only get the lore on it in the 3rd month, ye? @DragonParadox
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egoo
Totally Not Creating Problems Where None Existed
- Location
- Russia
So, as tired I am of the Heaven's Shore, it feels like it'll be remiss if we don't capitalize on this newest rumor we could sell to the Undead-Illithid guy.
Yay or nay?
The circumstances around the auction will be known fairly soon by most, but being the first to retell may pay well.
Problems: reasonable deniability, like, all of it; spending more time here, waffling around.
Neatos: more contact with the guy we can't really trust as far as we can throw him but who has, like, all the connections we may want.
(personally I'm mite apathetic either way at this point. Just booored.)
Yay or nay?
The circumstances around the auction will be known fairly soon by most, but being the first to retell may pay well.
Problems: reasonable deniability, like, all of it; spending more time here, waffling around.
Neatos: more contact with the guy we can't really trust as far as we can throw him but who has, like, all the connections we may want.
(personally I'm mite apathetic either way at this point. Just booored.)
- Location
- France
I was being serious about making an Ice Assassin of the Familiar, though.
If he won't sell us the Familiar because it has too many secrets inside, that's annoying but understandable. But if he won't sell it to us because of technical difficulties, then we can use magic to negate those!
If he won't sell us the Familiar because it has too many secrets inside, that's annoying but understandable. But if he won't sell it to us because of technical difficulties, then we can use magic to negate those!
Yes, transcribing everything in it would be like transcribing several human brains worth of information, it's easier to just build another one.
The spell would not create a perfect copy in this case due to soul magic interactions
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
- Location
- Formerly of the Far Realm
I don't really see that being cost effective, as it's guaranteed to be an expensive crafting process, and whatever method we come up with is likely to be low DC. We also shouldn't really be sending the Inquisition out after sacrifice-worthy targets if we can help it, IMO.
lancelot
Completely worth it
If we offered him safe harbor, and to sever his connection to hell like our other devils. So he can focus on research instead of politics would he even consider it?
Scribe's binding procures a minor sentient artifact. You can't really copy everything in them by mundane means in a reasonable timeframe.
- Location
- France
Yeah. Scribe's Binding keeps the target in suspended animation and can be dispelled or Dysjuncted to destroy the book and release the target, so this could work.
- Location
- France
That's fine. We could make several Ice Assassins and then cross-reference them to check for distortions or inaccuracies. This could even explain failure chances on research rolls...
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
- Location
- Formerly of the Far Realm
Didn't we meet with him a relatively short time ago? Last month, IIRC.
I don't think we should meet with him in our Hassan guise, and showing up in a different one would be slightly suspicious timing.
We wouldn't let someone use Scribe's Binding on Varys. I'm content to wait for Heronious to craft a new Clockwork Familiar with all of the relevant knowledge uploaded into it.
egoo
Totally Not Creating Problems Where None Existed
- Location
- Russia
...I'd argue this, but I'm too sleepy to go searching spell-lists of PF and 3.5 again for this alone.
I'm fine with waiting a month.
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- Location
- United States
@DragonParadox, is there any possibility of us convincing him to sell two out of three? I'd like the Scroll as well.
Unfortunately not, the relevant rolls have been done and this is how they worked out, just one book.
- Location
- Argentina
The whole thing about this research path is being more cost effective than hiring cacodaemons.
Imagine if, for example, we manage to give the lowest tier of imperial outsiders soul capturing powers. It would allow them to save the souls of fallen legionaries on the field of battle, or negate evil gods their due.
Remember that the planes are destroyed and that souls might be lost or snatched during their trip to the afterlife