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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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[X] Remove Lyan's death compulsion as well as being absolutely prepared beforehand for mundane or flesh-meld contingencies to ensure his death. Your foes aren't idiots, you would have used a redundancy too.
-[X] Have Vee and Qyburn on standby for an emergency medical procedure if it ends up being required, and use Healer's Vision for any on-the-spot diagnosis and Loresong to temporarily become a master of the Healing art.
 
I love how our standard SOP for dealing with Deep Ones is basically CONSTANT VIGILANCE levels of paranoia.

Like Viserys doesn't give two fucking shits about what Lanna and Gerion are doing right now, but he's playing fifth dimensional hypercube strip poker roulette with eldritch abominations who are frantically shitting themselves trying to play damage control, in contrast to the Lannisters who we have mostly left completely alone and yet still have not managed to do anything meaningful with the slack we have given them.
 
So, gentlemen, how about if we try to recruit these guys as normal, acting as if we ignore the whole Deep One plot, and eventually use it as a hook to get in contact with the rebel faction?

I mean, these guys are turning the Drowned God into something more palatable. I don't know why we would want to stop this.
 
Tomcost said:
So, gentlemen, how about if we try to recruit these uys as normal, acting as if we ignore the whole Deep One plot, and eventually use it as a hook to get in contact with the rebel faction?

I mean, these guys are turning the Drowned God into something more palatable. I don't know why we would want to stop this.
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You are forgetting that this is just one splinter of a group not pissed merely because they were lied to by the Elder Brain about their so-called "afterlife", but pissed because they thought THEY would become part of the 'gestalt' entity (which isn't so gestalt after all) who would have the universe crawling at their feet.

They aren't mad because the Elder Brain is a treacherous asshole, they're mad because THEY weren't getting their due!
 
Crake said:
You are forgetting that this is just one splinter of a group not pissed merely because they were lied to by the Elder Brain about their so-called "afterlife", but pissed because they thought THEY would become part of the 'gestalt' entity (which isn't so gestalt after all) who would have the universe crawling at their feet.

They aren't mad because the Elder Brain is a treacherous asshole, they're mad because THEY weren't getting their due!
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The brain eating is an issue, too, of course.

The Illithids are fully capable of providing themselves with Rings of Sustenance, which would remove their need to eat brains entirely, but they like how humanoid brains "taste".

Just because they're an enemy of our enemy doesn't mean they can be our friends.
 
Crake said:
You are forgetting that this is just one splinter of a group not pissed merely because they were lied to by the Elder Brain about their so-called "afterlife", but pissed because they thought THEY would become part of the 'gestalt' entity (which isn't so gestalt after all) who would have the universe crawling at their feet.

They aren't mad because the Elder Brain is a treacherous asshole, they're mad because THEY weren't getting their due!
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Yes, and that means that we can't use them?

Okay, we have used mostly idiotic nobles to help us in the past, but these guys are actively working to make a religion more tolerable while working against one of the current superpowers we face against. And, more importantly, they are scared shitless from our actions. I do believe we have leverage. Removing them from this place would do what exactly? These guys are not food nor sacrifice material.
 
@Crake, I've still not calmed down about Lanna and her husband. However, I've given up on convincing the thread to prioritize them, and instead reassure myself with the thought that their lands are right on the path of the Deep Ones, and that they're probably too busy to really focus on dealing with us.
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
@Crake, I've still not calmed down about Lanna and her husband. However, I've given up on convincing the thread to prioritize them, and instead reassure myself with the thought that their lands are right on the path of the Deep Ones, and that they're probably too busy to really focus on dealing with us.
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Prioritizing Lanna and Gerion is akin to prioritizing the war for Westeros in general, since moving in that direction is moving toward both.

At the end of the day, there are just too many other issues on our plate in comparison, and we have made great strides to reduce the degree of headache the Lannisters will give us when we make moves at last.
 
[X] Crake

We may want to look into getting more anti-psionic powers up as well. Rather we not fall pray to what ever BS the Deep Ones are cooking.
 
Crake said:
Prioritizing Lanna and Gerion is akin to prioritizing the war for Westeros in general, since moving in that direction is moving toward both.

At the end of the day, there are just too many other issues on our plate in comparison, and we have made great strides to reduce the degree of headache the Lannisters will give us when we make moves at last.
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Hey, I'm not asking to make them our sole focus. But a single action every few months would have been nice, if only to make sure that their anti-dragon WMD efforts aren't a problem. Or to check that Tywin isn't going too crazy with the Demon-worshippers or offplane mercenaries or anything.
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
Hey, I'm not asking to make them our sole focus. But a single action every few months would have been nice, if only to make sure that their anti-dragon WMD efforts aren't a problem.
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They won't be, because we won't be using dragons. There's no real reason to do so. We have so many other ways to exhibit shock and awe tactics, to bring forth heavy firepower, or to just shred through enemies, that it's almost not worth the bother especially considering the repeated emphasis on "dragon killing weapons" in the plans of theirs that we know about, and the idea that Viserys will "need to be brought down to the ground as he will fight like a dragon" shows how little the Lannisters are aware of our fighting style. We barely use our dragon form, and we fight like a Mythic battle sorcerer 99.5% of the time.
 
Crake said:
They won't be, because we won't be using dragons. There's no real reason to do so. We have so many other ways to exhibit shock and awe tactics, to bring forth heavy firepower, or to just shred through enemies, that it's almost not worth the bother especially considering the repeated emphasis on "dragon killing weapons" in the plans of theirs that we know about, and the idea that Viserys will "need to be brought down to the ground as he will fight like a dragon" shows how little the Lannisters are aware of our fighting style. We barely use our dragon form, and we fight like a Mythic battle sorcerer 99.5% of the time.
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While that's true, to be fair, we don't know jack shit about their plans, either.
Them managing to fuck us over in any meaningful capacity?
Near-zero without Asmy taking an active role.

Still doesn't mean they will not have lots of nasty surprises for us.
Like, of the sort that would be easily burned out with a few "kill everything in a few kilometres radius"-actions, but utterly unavailable with our character's morals.
 
egoo said:
While taht's true, to be fair, we don't know jack shit about their plans, either.
Them managing to fuck us over in any meaningful capacity?
Near-zero without Asmy taking an active role.

Still doesn't mean they will likely have lots of nasty surprises for us.
Like, of the sort that would be easily burned out with a few "kill everything in a few kilometres radius"-actions, but utterly unavailable with our character's morals.
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I would burn a few armies to cinders if it made the rest surrender, but we can do that without the obvious provocation of unleashing dozens of dragons above Westeros. That tends to make the Lords wary considering the last time such a thing happend, on a much smaller scale.
 
Crake said:
I would burn a few armies to cinders if it made the rest surrender, but we can do that without the obvious provocation of unleashing dozens of dragons above Westeros. That tends to make the Lords wary considering the last time such a thing happend, on a much smaller scale.
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Eh, I rather meant "unreasonable civilian casualties" as a thing they'd likely hide the means to stopping them, but point taken on dragons regardless.

Lannisters' best bets are:
1) Fey
2) Offplane mercanaries
3) Devils/Demons/Bloodstone Emperor

First is stupid, too unpredictable and low-power to beat us, but can bog us down well enough.
Second is hard to do in any meaningful numbers, and we can outbid a lot. Efreeti can go all-in there though and, again, bog us down a bit.
Third is liable to get Tywin killed for trying by his very minions
...Is probably being prodded regardless, if they are anywhat aware of our power.

And then there's... whatever the Maester conspiracy is doing.
An Archmage-two by now, probably, and lots of low-level wizards under their command, those can make a bug-off ritual to fuck us up somehow, if all else fails.
 
egoo said:
Eh, I rather meant "unreasonable civilian casualties" as a thing they'd likely hide the means to stopping them, but point taken on dragons regardless.

Lannisters' best bets are:
1) Fey
2) Offplane mercanaries
3) Devils/Demons/Bloodstone Emperor

First is stupid, too unpredictable and low-power to beat us, but can bog us down well enough.
Second is hard to do in any meaningful numbers, and we can outbid a lot. Efreeti can go all-in there though and, again, bog us down a bit.
Third is liable to get Tywin killed for trying by his very minions
...Is probably being prodded regardless, if they are anywhat aware of our power.

And then there's... whatever the Maester conspiracy is doing.
An Archmage-two by now, probably, and lots of low-level wizards under their command, those can make a bug-off ritual to fuck us up somehow, if all else fails.
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They're all getting sloppier as the timecrunch grows smaller. So even if they work faster, they make more mistakes, and we're pretty good at capitalizing on the smallest slip-up.
 
Crake said:
They won't be, because we won't be using dragons. There's no real reason to do so. We have so many other ways to exhibit shock and awe tactics, to bring forth heavy firepower, or to just shred through enemies, that it's almost not worth the bother especially considering the repeated emphasis on "dragon killing weapons" in the plans of theirs that we know about, and the idea that Viserys will "need to be brought down to the ground as he will fight like a dragon" shows how little the Lannisters are aware of our fighting style. We barely use our dragon form, and we fight like a Mythic battle sorcerer 99.5% of the time.
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To be fair, a strong and well-equipped martial PC absolutely could kill us in melee if they could somehow bring us down to the ground and away from our bodyguards.
This is a big "if", but that sort of gamble is their only hope at this point :D

EDIT: @Crake, we're only good at capitalizing on mistakes that we happen to walk in on...
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
To be fair, a strong and well-equipped martial PC absolutely could kill us in melee if they could somehow bring us down to the ground and away from our bodyguards.
This is a big "if", but that sort of gamble is their only hope at this point :D

EDIT: @Crake, we're only good at capitalizing on mistakes that we happen to walk in on...
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Well we're fucking immaculate at walking in on mistakes surreptitiously. Don't even bother denying it.
 
Here's a question, are we planning to take advantage of this schism or not?

Illithids free from the thumb of their elder Brain are rare and are among the few of those that can potentially be of non evil alignment. . .
 
KnightofTempest said:
Here's a question, are we planning to take advantage of this schism or not?

Illithids free from the thumb of their elder Brain are rare and are among the few of those that can potentially be of non evil alignment. . .
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I mean I wouldn't have a problem with it if they weren't all evil brain addicted assholes hungering for conquest and the eventual creation/reformation of their celestial empire.

If we could guarantee their loyalty I'd be wiling to employ one, but I'd rather just infect them with the Blood Mold and have them use their body. That way ensures loyalty, we get the psionics, and can peel the knowledge out of the husk while returning it to the Mold after we're done, potentially with a few upgrades.

When you have a brain jacking fungus on the payroll you have all sorts of interesting options for recruitment.
 
KnightofTempest said:
Here's a question, are we planning to take advantage of this schism or not?

Illithids free from the thumb of their elder Brain are rare and are among the few of those that can potentially be of non evil alignment. . .
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In theory we could, in practice we don't have any clue what is going on or how we can capitalize on it, since Illithid internal politics are ludicrously opaque.
 
Evaunit02mark1 said:
I mean I wouldn't have a problem with it if they weren't all evil brain addicted assholes hungering for conquest and the eventual creation/reformation of their celestial empire.

If we could guarantee their loyalty I'd be wiling to employ one, but I'd rather just infect them with the Blood Mold and have them use their body. That way ensures loyalty, we get the psionics, and can peel the knowledge out of the husk while returning it to the Mold after we're done, potentially with a few upgrades.

When you have a brain jacking fungus on the payroll you have all sorts of interesting options for recruitment.
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You just described an Illithid under the command of an Elder Brain.

These Illithid seem to be rebelling against their Elder brain.

Look it up, I'll wait.

"If a mind flayer remained out of reach from its elder brain, it was possible for it to reacquire its free will. These so-called renegade illithids could go on to establish their own colonies or, free from the elder brain's arrogant supremacy, even seek cooperation with other species. This new personality and any alliances that were made instantly vanished as soon as the renegade illithid fell back under control of an elder brain."

This is a direct quote from the Wiki
 
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