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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Tomcost said:
So, how much until we can simply point out that our victory inevitable and that the best thing they can do is fold.
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Leaving the Chosen aside, trying to go to that particular band of adventurers is a mistake because Garth the Green is a prominent member there.

He's the reason Mace Tyrell accepted the Mind Blank from the Court of Stars.

Even if he had a few instances of making sure lords don't get too tightly bound, he's still very much not going to be on our side in a conflict. Also Aryssa the Pixie is straight up a member of the Court of Stars, and presumably not one willing to shit allegiance to us.
 
Tomcost said:
Still he is just one of the Seven. If he is simply going to oppose us until dead we might as well murder him and be done with that.
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Might as well. That also means getting rid of the Maiden Chosen though. It's not hard to guess who would be behind Lucan dying, even if the fight happens without her involvement.
 
Azel said:
Might as well. That also means getting rid of the Maiden Chosen though. It's not hard to guess who would be behind Lucan dying, even if the fight happens without her involvement.
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Hmm. She is not that bad though. Maybe a honor duel to death would be the best way to get rid of him? I mean, we are going to lack quite a lot of PC-grade people to fix Westeros once we take him over.
 
Tomcost said:
Hmm. She is not that bad though. Maybe a honor duel to death would be the best way to get rid of him? I mean, we are going to lack quite a lot of PC-grade people to fix Westeros once we take him over.
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I ain't dueling Lucan. I'll parley with him, but I see no reason to bet it all on a throw down he seems eager to accept. He's got artifacts made specifically to fuck us over, I just know it. Better to kill him from two miles away or by dogpiling him and buried in wards and escape options if he blows through his McGuffins then and there.
 
Crake said:
I ain't dueling Lucan. I'll parley with him, but I see no reason to bet it all on a throw down he seems eager to accept. He's got artifacts made specifically to fuck us over, I just know it. Better to kill him from two miles away or by dogpiling him and buried in wards and escape options if he blows through his McGuffins then and there.
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Then Danelle is going to die off, and we might as well cross out the remaining chosen while we are at it. Either we try to fix things, or we don't and go straight for murdering everyone.
 
So what are we waiting on for the super soldier project again?

I know our research backlog is pretty bad, but I was never super clear on that.
 
Tomcost said:
Then Danelle is going to die off, and we might as well cross out the remaining chosen while we are at it. Either we try to fix things, or we don't and go straight for murdering everyone.
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It's hardly honorable to fight us when you've got a magical suitcase nuke you're perfectly willing to pop open the minute the fight starts, seeing as how that is literally the only reasonable means he has to kill a Mythic Dragon Archmage. Can't beat us in melee, can't beat us in magic. So cheat.

Which is fair--we should definitely cheat. If you're not cheating you're not trying, basically.

Now, if we could convince Danelle that fighting an honor duel is a stupid means of conflict resolution anyway, and we'd rather not have to kill them to begin with, we might be getting somewhere.

Edit: Alternatively, have the our Gods weave defenses around us to counter his Divine Artifacts "lol you lose" effects. Then it's "fair".
 
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i wonder if the chosenknow if heaven is owned by hell or that elysium is falling into the primordial chaos, or that nirvana is a constant warzone.
 
Lucan already offered to duel us once before, we didn't take it for multiple reasons. The fact that he wanted to get the option to leave Westeros if he lost, which would inevitably lead to him and his gods inflicting themselves on some other poor continent, was only one of these factors.

We're better off asking for Danelle's help, not getting it and proceeding to solve the problem by ourselves, since not helping will bother her more then.
 
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I'm still stumped that people think they can recruit Danelle over Lucans corpse. Would, say, Tyene flip to Lucans side if he kills Viserys? Probably not.

Just finish off the chosen and call it a day.
 
Azel said:
I'm still stumped that people think they can recruit Danelle over Lucans corpse. Would, say, Tyene flip to Lucans side if he kills Viserys? Probably not.

Just finish off the chosen and call it a day.
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It's not like they have that sort of relationship, the Chosen don't work together. Most of them haven't even met, for crying out loud. The main reason it wouldn't work is because Danelle is a super compassionate CG type.
 
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Obviously, step 1 is to make ourselves look better towards her (by cooperating against shared foes, etc) while also plotting ways to widen the divide between her and Lucan.
However this would require us actually putting in the effort.
 
I think I'll agree with the general sentiment if only so we don't have to prolong this discussion. If the only options on the table are indeed "stay out of Westeros or we fight", then yeah. Murder is the only option. Take all comers, don't play fair, and attack from ambush.

We'll see when we see it. We know DragonParadox didn't agree with Azel about story direction, hence mentions of salt. Who knows what background rolls will end up as?
 
Here is the thing. Sooner or later we will fight Lucan. Now either we convince Danielle to join us and all that Jazz before we fight him or we fight her after we fight him. Either way, we will interact with her and we will fight him. We aren't leaving Westeros to these chucklefucks and if she has a problem with that then the die is cast.
 
Crake said:
I think I'll agree with the general sentiment if only so we don't have to prolong this discussion. If the only options on the table are indeed "stay out of Westeros or we fight", then yeah. Murder is the only option. Take all comers, don't play fair, and attack from ambush.
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I feel like the best way to let them take the first shot, to be honest. We use our first strike on our declared enemies, that is Robert Baratheon and Tywin Lannister. Then if the Faith rebels against the rightful king of Westeros who sits on the throne and everything, they attacked us rather than the other way around. It'll help with many of our loyal lords, who are some variant of religious but very against a Faith Militant-style attack on the King.
 
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TalonofAnathrax said:
Obviously, step 1 is to make ourselves look better towards her (by cooperating against shared foes, etc) while also plotting ways to widen the divide between her and Lucan.
However this would require us actually putting in the effort.
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To paraphrase a certain "dude with the most Evil-sounding name ever":

Viserys be like: "I can't go around being nice! I'm too busy!"

Jokes aside though, I can't care less about her OOC, and IC... I dont think we have the time for the sheer effort needed needed to try to diplomance her to out side, indeed.
 
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