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Wait a minute. Richard is younger than Rina? What the shit?
A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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Is it IC for Richard to fight for gay rights?
Absolutely not. We've had exactly zero reason to think that he doesn't buy into the "common sense" opinions of the time regarding homosexuality, he's had zero character development or characterization in that direction, and his experience with openly gay people is probably limited to Lyseni (he doesn't like Lys much, IIRC).
Honestly, if Richard were straight-up homophobic I'd be disappointed but I wouldn't be surprised.
He's most likely apathetic about the issue. It's never come up, at least, and he hasn't been using the homophobic slurs Westerosi nobles use for Essosi magisters in canon.
EDIT: Wait, I would be surprised if Richard were homophobic. He didn't say anything when we casually legalised gay marriage, after all.
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Thing is that he is deciding this with Viserys.
And to be fair I wanna turn this into a comedy, not a political statement of any kind
He isn't, however he is opposed to playing a part so at odds with social expectations since he is just not good at being the center of attention.
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Okay, now my dream of Richard proposing to Buttercup wearing a wig while bouncing raunchy jokes off each other is destroyed.
Unless...
How quickly can we switch him for Saladhor Saan?
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He's mysogynist to an extent in that he genuinely gives no shits about the various maidens we save. He just doesn't say anything because he feels it's not his place, and the King can do what he wants according to his whims. Ser Richard wouldn't speak up even if he was homophobic as well.
[X] Rina Cox (disguised Companion)
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This is starting to be a bit much. A little comedy is great, but there's a point where it starts to seem out of character. Richard making a surprise political statement by publicly hitting on his boss without even clearing it with him first is out there for him.
He's deciding this in a while standing on the field, Viserys is off to the side.
I think you might be projecting a bit more of our context onto Westeros than is strictly fair. Courtly love and homoerotic subtext to the relationships between knights gone to war aren't exactly uncommon in stories from the time period(s) it's based off of.
They weren't openly spoken about, but homophobia in the sense of hating gay people for being gay isn't necessarily guaranteed.
I'm not familiar with canon Westeros, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Westerosi attitude was a more Roman "being the bottom is bad" mixed with some disdain for being open about it.
We see some hint of under the table acceptance with that one twin in Dorn. She apparently managed to have several relationships with other women, and be known to prefer their company, without major social stigma since she wasn't inheriting.
It's far from ideal, but is a much better starting point than open hate.
He might have been at the start, but I'd be surprised if that attitude lasted through Lya, Vee, Rina, Dany, and the Erinyes. He isn't stupid, and there can only be so many exceptions to a rule before you're forced to reevaluate it. That's part of how diversity helps people raised as bigots grow out of it.
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For worthwhile PCs, sure. Those people ended up demonstrating their value later on. There are, however, plenty of NPCs we randomly help who Ser Richard couldn't care less about.
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What was Rina's cover story anyway?
What was Rina's cover story anyway?
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I'm not projecting. In canon, Renly has to hide his homosexuality from everyone, despite his lover being the most acceptable lover around (Loras). There are mean rumours going around, and he is mocked. Homophobic insults are used routinely (though more often in Westeros than in Essos) even by polite and educated nobles.
We don't see any lynchings, IIRC, but homophobia is definitely a mainstream thing.
But is that a case of him generally not caring about people who aren't powerful in some way, as opposed to sexism?
He's very focused on his job and the people to matter to him on a personal level. If we switched from rescuing princesses to princes he'd still care only so far as they relate to his charges or connect to him.
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I mean does this even have to be romantic? From what I can see this is basically medieval Prom queen. Giving it to a friend shouldn't be all that far fetched right?
I mean does this even have to be romantic? From what I can see this is basically medieval Prom queen. Giving it to a friend shouldn't be all that far fetched right?
I stand corrected then. I never read GoT or watched the show, so I'm mostly going off of some basic information on the times and places that inspired it and what we see here.
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It's both. I really don't see him getting compassionate over people who he deems as beneath his attention no matter how much Viserys indulges, and it's an attitude that I've only ever seen when randomly deciding to help various women.
On the matter of Ser Richard's attitude to women, I would not really call him a misogynist, in that he does not think women are inherently lesser because of their gender. In a way his sourness on the notion of chivalric behavior can even be seen as egalitarian, in that he does not have much patience for protection and special consideration given solely by reason of gender. That is not to say he does not have any baked in prejudices from his cultural background, but much like with all the companions they are being slowly worn away by the many and varied experiences out in the world.
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I've been shipping him with Mereth for awhile. . .
Jack vile Ripper
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Objection! We've all been shipping him with Mereth from day one.
Unless we want to add competing Coldmouth ship with him and Rina. They are only a year apart, and could bond over dealing with the hijinks of magical teenagers.
More seriously, I do wonder if being 7-8 years older than the next oldest person in the room effects their friendship/working relationship at all, or if everyone is so strange they don't really notice.
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Unless we want to add competing Coldmouth ship with him and Rina. They are only a year apart, and could bond over dealing with the hijinks of magical teenagers.
Omg, Coldmouth? Really? That's a darn good Ship name.
Wonder what Mereth's ship name. LonSword? Devil-Kiss? Blood-Oath?
*deadpan stare*
When you're surrounded by Feys, Dragons, Fiends, and Gods older than your entire Kingdom's History combined, age became nothing more than fluff.
*simultaneous sneeze by Richard and Dany*
Okay, here is a thought. If Richard anoints Rina as medieval prom queen people will all assume that he fancies her. As Ser Geralt's bard, it is our sworn duty to ensure that no one walks away unaware of the magnificent truth (Richard included). We need ballad about Ser Geralt's one true lady love waiting for him back across the sea!
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Any ideas on how we adapt this to Richard and Mereth?
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In another reality
Not totally sure about how to proceed, Richard directed his horse to the grandstands. Here he found her, Rina was sitting quite uncomfortably near Lord Ashford. Still, the best way to prevent any unwanted diplomatic incidents was to declare Rina Queen of Love and Beauty, as they could later explain the lord who they were. He dismounted and walked up to her, bearing with the gaze of Lord Ashford, not totally comfortable with this situation.
"My noble lady, it would be an honor if you accepted my invitation to become my Queen of Love and Beauty" he said with deep bow, which became skewed at the last moment as he saw that.
"My fair knight!" The broken voice of Buttercup trying and deliberately failing to sound feminine rang like scratched metal from behind Rina. "I'm overjoyed!" he said jumping up and down, a long-haired wig he somehow had managed to put on becoming messier by the moment and a pair of cloth rags rolled into oversized balls in his chest behind his shirt bouncing unnaturally.
A mental message then clarified his doubts:"Just say what I tell you". It was the voice of his king.
"I'm sorry if he dissappointed you, dear" Buttercup said to Rina with feigned pity, "but I had an arrangement with Ser Geralt"
Richard spoke, more to the public than to Rina in particular "She refused to train with me until I had crowned her"
"What I refused was to clash sword with you, good Ser. A proper lady does not get into swordplay until after marriage" Buttercup said, and laughter ensued as Lord Ashford's face relaxed.
Then with mock anger he lashed at him "So, what are you waiting for, Ser. As your Queen of love and Beauty I deserve a ride until sunset"
"My lady," Richard started, follwing the ruse, "I fear that until Sunset is a bit too long for a ride. See, the horse is tired after the joust..."
"Nonsense!" Buttercup exclaimed. "Your horse is young and vigorous, but if it still has problems our dear friend Maester Martin surely has a collection of potions and oinments to revitalize it".
"As you say my lady"
And with that they clumsily mounted the horse, with Buttercup at the reigns, and as a ball of cloth fell from its designated spot behind the Bard's clothes, he exclaimed: "Onwards, to Maester Martin's house!"
And so Ser Geralt and Buttercup rode full speed out of the tourney grounds, never to be seen again.
AN: this should totally become canon, and if you guys don't vote for this I will be disappointed.
Not totally sure about how to proceed, Richard directed his horse to the grandstands. Here he found her, Rina was sitting quite uncomfortably near Lord Ashford. Still, the best way to prevent any unwanted diplomatic incidents was to declare Rina Queen of Love and Beauty, as they could later explain the lord who they were. He dismounted and walked up to her, bearing with the gaze of Lord Ashford, not totally comfortable with this situation.
"My noble lady, it would be an honor if you accepted my invitation to become my Queen of Love and Beauty" he said with deep bow, which became skewed at the last moment as he saw that.
"My fair knight!" The broken voice of Buttercup trying and deliberately failing to sound feminine rang like scratched metal from behind Rina. "I'm overjoyed!" he said jumping up and down, a long-haired wig he somehow had managed to put on becoming messier by the moment and a pair of cloth rags rolled into oversized balls in his chest behind his shirt bouncing unnaturally.
A mental message then clarified his doubts:"Just say what I tell you". It was the voice of his king.
"I'm sorry if he dissappointed you, dear" Buttercup said to Rina with feigned pity, "but I had an arrangement with Ser Geralt"
Richard spoke, more to the public than to Rina in particular "She refused to train with me until I had crowned her"
"What I refused was to clash sword with you, good Ser. A proper lady does not get into swordplay until after marriage" Buttercup said, and laughter ensued as Lord Ashford's face relaxed.
Then with mock anger he lashed at him "So, what are you waiting for, Ser. As your Queen of love and Beauty I deserve a ride until sunset"
"My lady," Richard started, follwing the ruse, "I fear that until Sunset is a bit too long for a ride. See, the horse is tired after the joust..."
"Nonsense!" Buttercup exclaimed. "Your horse is young and vigorous, but if it still has problems our dear friend Maester Martin surely has a collection of potions and oinments to revitalize it".
"As you say my lady"
And with that they clumsily mounted the horse, with Buttercup at the reigns, and as a ball of cloth fell from its designated spot behind the Bard's clothes, he exclaimed: "Onwards, to Maester Martin's house!"
And so Ser Geralt and Buttercup rode full speed out of the tourney grounds, never to be seen again.
AN: this should totally become canon, and if you guys don't vote for this I will be disappointed.
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